Naruto getting to powerful

[6th hokage]

sorry for the long story...

first of all, i wud like to congratulate twisted for making this thread this long, and making us waste out time on petty lame duck things. this fascinating thread evolved from factual error and faulty logic from him to pure rant to 'twisted' philosophical argument. god knows whats next.

i thought i was not going be part of this anymore, but more rubbish compelled me to write again. but first let me clarify that i am not in any way concentrated on ur view. all my 150 odd replies are not directed to u, so dont feel too important

i see lots of babble on working hard rubbish. dont u really see what others are mentioning? does working hard alone get u far? if u r a boy, does banging a boy over and over and over make a child? no. u dont just work hard, u have to have some substance which u can work on and maximize ur outcome. the guy that were being mentioned by neutrino must have some minimum requirement that apple was looking for. but working hard and believing himself (that he has the substance to go that far) got him where he is now.

now i see u r jumping up and down at this point, and say "thats what i mentioned, naruto is such a dumbass, a brain dead, he doesnt have the substance, he shudnt even hold a kunai, let alone be a genin. now every1 (even my idol kakashi) is talking abt he will surpass even 4th one day. WTF." am i right?

now read carefully. i am going to take the 'philosophical' road. when one work hard its bcos deep down he believes he has some sort of capacity that he can maximize by working hard. none in this world (maybe except 4 u) can be motivated to work hard if he thinks he is empty.
now naruto thinks he can become hokage, bcos deep down he really thinks he has the potential to get that far, otherwise we wont see him work his ass off trying to achieve his goal. thats the way his character has been built in naruto.

i dont mind or even care what u think. u only think in a narrow and singular way and dont even know there are other ways (thats ok). in case of naruto, u are adamant that how come naruto gets so beaten and still gets on his feet every time. in ur narrow world its the winner who always have the upper hand, and be dominant from start to finish. but here is the problem. thats not the case always. sometimes few guy who gets beaten but refuses to give up, believes oneself and comes out winner. this is not cinderalla. there are many occurence of this in real world. naruto happens to be one of those guys. and i assume u r not going to accept this, ur view seems to be unless all things follow ur own narrow and patented way, u wont accept anything.

same narrow view with ur logic of naruto being dumbass. ur point is u have to understand the 'theory' completely, then do what u do(like make a jutsu). if u dont, then u r a dumbass. here is the problem with that.

its not a math problem. u dont have to understand the problem before u start solving it. its like a sport manuever. u can roughly know the theory beforehand how to bowl, but u can only learn it, when u start practising and u learn the nittie gritties along the way, which cant be learned by just knowing the theory.

naruto has be to fed the theory in a simple way, thats his drawback. but that shudnt be "the criteria" to brand him a pathetic dumbass. most ppl dont think in that simple and narrow way. when he starts practising, he get in tune with theories much quicker and better than any other ppl. thats the another way of learning things, which obviously u dont know and wont accept bcos that doesnt follow ur prefered way.

btw, ur rasengan in three days is false and misleading. he was learning rasengan for abt 1 month(approx. or may be 3 weeks, cant remember). he already formed the rasengan(completed 1st, 2nd, partially 3rd stage), but power was not there(cudnt perfect 3rd stage). he learned it(perfected 3rd stage) in 7 days.

anyway, when i read ur stuff, its like a cook who puts all the ingredients(eg. einstien, mozart etc.) while cooking but the final product that comes out, is a disaster.

sorry to say, but i think u r an idiot who thinks he is smart.

 

[Geezus]

Naruto is being balanced Out. Cuz Sasuke still has Jutsu's Oro. Taught him that havent ben reavealed yet.

 

[Miggy69]

i dont think he is overpowered but if he is that would be great

 

[RokuNR]

he is not OP...........yet *dramatic music*

 

[twistedlink]

sorry 6th hokage

all needs to be said is i have a very high IQ, and with a profession that requires a very top-cognitive brain.

Just because you dont understand doesnt mean im wrong

Also may i say, i havent got personal with any members like you are getting to me, and i find it pretty pathetic, you also have a god complex in many of your posts filled with hypocrisy, you think im someone who thinks "im right all the time" but your attitude also suggests this characteristic, what makes you more right than me? And this is my point, just because you dont understand doesnt mean im wrong, and it can be the other way round too, just because i dont understand doesnt mean you're wrong, thats the whole point of an opinion, but no, it appears only your opinion counts.

I never said anyones opinion on naruto was wrong like you're saying with me, im simply saying i dont agree with them and putting points across as to why, im not personally trying (and failing) to offend them or dig personal attacks to somehow prove a point.

I dont get the 4th hokage bit, the sentence structure makes no sense, then again, im retarded arent i, and only think im smart, so obviously youre writing is impeccable and im the idiot that cant even read right?

(Not saying my writings perfect either, im just saying at least my sentences overall make sense, even if they may miss an apostraphe here or there, but hey you decided to turn this entire post into a "twistedlink is a ****" post so im gonna do the same to you )

As to the philosophical route, naruto is working hard to become hokage, yet if he turned that hard work into intelligence, he would have got there much quicker.

Im pretty sure gaara didnt try as hard as naruto, wanna know why? because gaara is a semi genius with a lot of power, narutos a retard with one good jutsu that mostly misses

Narrow?

No, youre the narrow minded one.

I dont mind what others think, i just happen to say "I think youre wrong because...."

This doesnt mean they are wrong, i just personally think they are, and am stating reasons why i think they are, is that illegal now?

Maybe i also do this with a tone of superiority, but has it occured to you im simply good at discussing points and making my ways seems strongly put forward???

Thats what winners do in debates with opinion, keeping it opinion but making it very strong and forceful looking, but still, just about on the borderline, keeping it an opinion without thinking the others is downright wrong totally.

Im sure neutrino thinks very differently to me, he may be wrong, he may be right, all i know is i personally think he is wrong, and all i know is i maybe wrong in that thinking, it doesnt really bother me.

Humans think for themselves and make there own opinions, itd be a bit sad if everyone thought the same like everyone appears to do so here.

And no, i wont accept anything i dont agree with, isnt that obvious? because i disagree with it, why would i accept something i disagree with?

when was the last time 1000's of protestors accepted what theyre disagreeing with?

are they narrow minded too??

No, youre just being a **** and thinking that somehow following your opinion strongly means i think im superior, in reality im just good at backing my own opinions.

Neutrinos a big boy, im sure hes not crying himself to sleep because mean old mr twistedlink thinks differently, seriously, get a grip 6th hokage.

same narrow view with ur logic of naruto being dumbass. ur point is u have to understand the 'theory' completely, then do what u do(like make a jutsu). if u dont, then u r a dumbass. here is the problem with that.

erm...no

learn to read, then decide what i said, this is putting fake words into my mouth.

I dont think narutos a dumbass because he doesnt understand the theory when he can do the real thing, i said its impossible to do the real thing without the theory, and the reason he doesnt know the theory is because he is a kinaesthetic learner.

But even kinaesthetic learners understand the theoretical concept AFTER they have done the practical side.

Thats the WHOLE DEFINITION of a kinaesthetic learner, which naruto definitely is apart from the fact that he simply doesnt understand the theory afterwards, which is impossible

its not a math problem. u dont have to understand the problem before u start solving it. its like a sport manuever. u can roughly know the theory beforehand how to bowl, but u can only learn it, when u start practising and u learn the nittie gritties along the way, which cant be learned by just knowing the theory.

Erm, no, everything is mathematical, and can be represented mathematically, youre just going to have to trust me on that one

for seconds, no, it cant be learned just knowing the theory, but thats the problem, kakashi and co can learn it just through theory, meaning your example is useless.

No you dont have to understand the problem to solve it, you can use parrot fashion, which naruto probably does, which might be why he has only one actual jutsu that just keeps getting upgraded, because he has no mental capacity to make his own jutsus because he doesnt understand the variables behind it, he needs a teacher to simply tell him what to do, and through trial and error he finally gets there

One can do that with a mathematical equation if they know the answer.

Narutos answer is adding wind, he doesnt know how to do it, so he just uses trial and error with clones and then gets it, but he still doent understand the theory, meaning hes simply parrot fashioning techniques, which is designed for the less brain inclined people, i remember at school, if someone didnt understand a process, the teacher would simply say "then make do with parrot fashion, its not ideal but itl scrape you a pass"

thats the another way of learning things, which obviously u dont know and wont accept bcos that doesnt follow ur prefered way.

No, i simply mean he is a kinaesthetic learner.

Heres the massive cliffhanger of my post

Im a kinaesthetic learner too!!
shock horror!

I dont understand much by someone telling me something, i like to physicall have variables in front of me, and play around with them for real, and my brain then starts hurdling like a horse, which is why im such a good scientist in the lab, because its all about practical work, and as im kinaesthetic its a huge advantage to me.

I am in some ways like naruto, in that if kakashi was telling me all this stuff, id probably need to do it for real to get it, but i would at least then understand the theory afterwards, naruto clearly doesnt or he'd know how to invent more techniques or refine techniques.

btw, ur rasengan in three days is false and misleading. he was learning rasengan for abt 1 month(approx. or may be 3 weeks, cant remember). he already formed the rasengan(completed 1st, 2nd, partially 3rd stage), but power was not there(cudnt perfect 3rd stage). he learned it(perfected 3rd stage) in 7 days.

lol this is just funny.

Im supporting naruto here, and you correct me, when i was finally being nice to him haha

either way, its less time than the 4th took, however

1.The 4th had to make it from scratch
2.The 4th had hokage duties, which is a lot of paperwork, naruto had hours and hours to practice each and every day and with enough stamina to try it more every day
3.He still requires a clone to use even standard rasengan, this is proof enough that i am personally correct, hes parrot fashion jutsus, because otherwise he would improve it each time he uses it, but hes not, he stalls every jutsu whenever he gets to a level he likes.

His brain simply cant form rasengan one bodied, the 4th, kakashi, and jiraiya can.

That tells you naruto is less intelligent than these guys, thats all ive been saying, but apparently im wrong, apparently naruto is smarter than these guys, hes just using a clone for a laugh is he??


No problem im happy to help

 

[Naruto]

As to the philosophical route, naruto is working hard to become hokage, yet if he turned that hard work into intelligence, he would have got there much quicker.

Correct.

Im pretty sure gaara didnt try as hard as naruto, wanna know why? because gaara is a semi genius with a lot of power, narutos a retard with one good jutsu that mostly misses

Correct. I don't support the "retard" part though. Naruto is a student that learns by gathering experience, learning it "the hard way" if you wish. I have the same thing. I cannot learn anything from plain books and sheets filled with letters on it. Strange, i seem to have made it by my hard work and determination. I am not going to tell you what my earnings are, or even what my job is. That has nothing to do with your arguements. His jutsu misses alot, indeed. Then again he is able to hit every opponent once with it. Remember poor Kabuto? Boy, was he shocked to see Naruto's Rasengan connecting with his stomach. Now, do not get me wrong. It's true, Naruto could have died many, many times now. But thanks to his hard work and determination, he has made alot of allies who aid him in difficult battles/times. That is what makes a shinobi. Not just plain jutsu's and genius.

Jiraya said this himself. A shinobi is not someone with thousands of jutsu's or a smart person. It's someone who has the guts to never give up.

Narrow?

No, youre the narrow minded one.

I dont mind what others think, i just happen to say "I think youre wrong because...."

This doesnt mean they are wrong, i just personally think they are, and am stating reasons why i think they are, is that illegal now?

Hmm, i agree with you on that one.

Maybe i also do this with a tone of superiority, but has it occured to you im simply good at discussing points and making my ways seems strongly put forward???

In fact, you do. But remember, not everyone will believe what you say. You will also think that i am totally wrong.

Humans think for themselves and make there own opinions, itd be a bit sad if everyone thought the same like everyone appears to do so here.

I love the way how you think. Very logical. I like logic and support it all the way. However, don't start over-using logic though.

And no, i wont accept anything i dont agree with, isnt that obvious? because i disagree with it, why would i accept something i disagree with?

Correct. you are entitled to have an opinion. Afterall, if everyone had the same opinion, it would make for a dull, boring world, huh?

I dont think narutos a dumbass because he doesnt understand the theory when he can do the real thing, i said its impossible to do the real thing without the theory, and the reason he doesnt know the theory is because he is a kinaesthetic learner.

Agreed. In fact, Naruto could be considered a "genius" when it comes to learning from experience. Name one character that has learned a A-rank jutsu in one week. They all had loads of time, decent stamina and help from friends/teachers/parents. Did i mention that Naruto learned the kage bunshin jutsu in ONE NIGHT? With a scroll. That means that he understands the theory behind it. Sorry, but right now you look like a fool.

But even kinaesthetic learners understand the theoretical concept AFTER they have done the practical side.

Naruto does understand the theoretical concept of the Rasengan jutsu. He explained it to Jiraya. The example of the cat playing with the balloon filled with water could be used here.

Thats the WHOLE DEFINITION of a kinaesthetic learner, which naruto definitely is apart from the fact that he simply doesnt understand the theory afterwards, which is impossible

As stated before, i have the same thing. I can DO something, but sometimes i do not get the theory afterwards. Rarely happens, but it does. Not every human individual is the same.


Erm, no, everything is mathematical, and can be represented mathematically, youre just going to have to trust me on that one

Try emotions. Now calculate the emotion "anger" and show it to me in digits.

for seconds, no, it cant be learned just knowing the theory, but thats the problem, kakashi and co can learn it just through theory, meaning your example is useless.

Kakashi can learn it trough theory because he's not like Naruto. Again, Naruto learns from his past experience. Not from scrolls.

No you dont have to understand the problem to solve it, you can use parrot fashion, which naruto probably does, which might be why he has only one actual jutsu that just keeps getting upgraded, because he has no mental capacity to make his own jutsus because he doesnt understand the variables behind it, he needs a teacher to simply tell him what to do, and through trial and error he finally gets there

Sorry, but i believe we have all seen the last chapters by now. Naruto is creating a NEW jutsu. He also said "i need to make sure noone finds out". Meaning NOONE helped him with his new jutsu. Did you see the damage that he caused? I'm sure it's nothing like Rasengan.

One can do that with a mathematical equation if they know the answer.

Are you obsessed with math? It's a manga, not a mathbook.

Narutos answer is adding wind, he doesnt know how to do it, so he just uses trial and error with clones and then gets it, but he still doent understand the theory, meaning hes simply parrot fashioning techniques, which is designed for the less brain inclined people, i remember at school, if someone didnt understand a process, the teacher would simply say "then make do with parrot fashion, its not ideal but itl scrape you a pass"

I agree. He kept doing the same thing over and over again untill Kakashi did the kage bunshin. HOWEVER: Even Kakashi was impressed when Naruto suddenly got an idea just by seeing Kakashi do the kage hunshin jutsu. Now tell me that's smart.

I am in some ways like naruto, in that if kakashi was telling me all this stuff, id probably need to do it for real to get it, but i would at least then understand the theory afterwards, naruto clearly doesnt or he'd know how to invent more techniques or refine techniques.

Again, read what i posed above.

lol this is just funny.

Im supporting naruto here, and you correct me, when i was finally being nice to him haha

Sometimes it's better to correct people. You just showed your lack of knowledge of the manga. He corrected you.

1.The 4th had to make it from scratch
2.The 4th had hokage duties, which is a lot of paperwork, naruto had hours and hours to practice each and every day and with enough stamina to try it more every day
3.He still requires a clone to use even standard rasengan, this is proof enough that i am personally correct, hes parrot fashion jutsus, because otherwise he would improve it each time he uses it, but hes not, he stalls every jutsu whenever he gets to a level he likes.

Correct. But why does he need the clone? Because he cannot control his chakra correctly. The Nine-tailed Fox is still in him, you know. Having 2 kinds of chakra inside of you is very confusing. Everyone else only has one kind of chakra inside of him/her. Why do you think Naruto was a dropout? It's not his fault he has 2 kinds of chakra. His jutsu's are just fine.

His brain simply cant form rasengan one bodied, the 4th, kakashi, and jiraiya can.

Read my point on the chakra control again. 2 kinds of chakra, not his fault yada yada yada.

That tells you naruto is less intelligent than these guys, thats all ive been saying, but apparently im wrong, apparently naruto is smarter than these guys, hes just using a clone for a laugh is he??

Nope, he's not. Neji, Oro, Sasuke and 90% of Konoha is smarter then Naruto at the START of a battle. However, Naruto can come up with a strategy that is brilliant and effective at the end of his battles. (Wich usually kills/stuns the enemy.
No problem im happy to help

And so was i. Now learn to understand this: it's a bloody book. A piece of paper. A story. A manga. It's not math, it's not REAL. No need to use science for a manga created by someone who got bored and decided to draw comic books, okay?

I rest my case, answers are in bold text.

 

[twistedlink]

Try emotions. Now calculate the emotion "anger" and show it to me in digits

emotions are chemicals in the brain, which is simply maths based

Kakashi can learn it trough theory because he's not like Naruto. Again, Naruto learns from his past experience. Not from scrolls.[/quote[

thats what ive been saying, kakashi is a genius, and can learn easily, but even the non genius' can still learn like kakashi, just slower, naruto however cannot learn like kakashi AT ALL, or any other genius character for that matter, meaning he is below average intelligence.

aka, retarded.

Are you obsessed with math? It's a manga, not a mathbook.

I was using it as a analogous example...I thought everyone would realise that...I guess i was wrong, like i said everything can be expressed mathematically, and if we look at every character in a mathematical way...naruto is dumb.

Correct. But why does he need the clone? Because he cannot control his chakra correctly. The Nine-tailed Fox is still in him, you know. Having 2 kinds of chakra inside of you is very confusing. Everyone else only has one kind of chakra inside of him/her. Why do you think Naruto was a dropout? It's not his fault he has 2 kinds of chakra. His jutsu's are just fine.

lol, he has 2 types of chakra but one is sealed, he isnt always having to control 2 forms of chakra, only when he opens the seal somewhat and lets the kyubii out does have have to control 2 types of chakra.

Also, gaara isnt a genius, hes still smart though, semi genius, and he has 2 types chakra too with 1tails, i dont see him struggling.

The point is the other tailed jinchuriki are all a myriad of intelligences and none of them appear to have trouble like naruto, quite the opposite in fact.

Nope, he's not. Neji, Oro, Sasuke and 90% of Konoha is smarter then Naruto at the START of a battle. However, Naruto can come up with a strategy that is brilliant and effective at the end of his battles. (Wich usually kills/stuns the enemy.

And again, im having to repeat myself, his strategies are whack, and the enemy becomes 1000x more stupid, his strategies arent really strategic at all, and are very basic and dodgable in nature, yet everytime he executes the strategy the enemy becomes thick, slow, and easy to beat-PERSONALLY

And so was i. Now learn to understand this: it's a bloody book. A piece of paper. A story. A manga. It's not math, it's not REAL. No need to use science for a manga created by someone who got bored and decided to draw comic books, okay?

No its not real, but it doesnt mean its free from contradictions.

If you was reading a book and a guy called tom suddenly became a woman as a journalist when it was originally about tom being a lawyer, youd go "wtf?"

same with me in that naruto is a contradictory character, so every chapter with him in i go "wtf?" and find him very annoying, to the brink where i usually skip the pages/chapters hes on.

Hes just annoying and boring, the other characters are so much better.

I even got someone to watch the anime lately and they came up to me and said "whys naruto such an idiot? the series should be called sasuke"

and honestly, i think most people felt that at the start of the series.

Kishi loves sasuke, and you can tell he prefers writing about sasuke in his manga.

 

[6th hokage]

sorry i take back my words. u r not an idiot. u r close to einstein.

but obviously i am here to talk abt naruto, not u or any other member of the group. so i take a break from this idiotic discussion. like u said,

Just because you dont understand doesnt mean im wrong

everyone is here to express their view and i respect that. but trying to spew hatred or rant is not the way of presenting things. it causes a lot of noise, like what has happened in this thread. we have to realize we view things differently, and our view may not be correct always(and it applies to everyone). by this time i realized u dont agree with many others, u shud realize many wont agree with u. so no point reiterating the same thing(at least from me).

ok. i am signing off from this thread. good night everyone.

 

[twistedlink]

It's true, Naruto could have died many, many times now. But thanks to his hard work and determination, he has made alot of allies who aid him in difficult battles/times. That is what makes a shinobi. Not just plain jutsu's and genius.

Jiraya said this himself. A shinobi is not someone with thousands of jutsu's or a smart person. It's someone who has the guts to never give up.

thats jiraiyas opinion

It doesn't mean its true, though it is for the story.

Sorry but whenever i have tried simply using just hard work and determination, its a major let-down, when i simply use my brain and figure something out that way, avoiding hard work, it usually ends up being fantastic, hard work and determination is over-rated

 

[twistedlink]

sorry i take back my words. u r not an idiot. u r close to einstein.

but obviously i am here to talk abt naruto, not u or any other member of the group. so i take a break from this idiotic discussion. like u said,


everyone is here to express their view and i respect that. but trying to spew hatred or rant is not the way of presenting things. it causes a lot of noise, like what has happened in this thread. we have to realize we view things differently, and our view may not be correct always(and it applies to everyone). by this time i realized u dont agree with many others, u shud realize many wont agree with u. so no point reiterating the same thing(at least from me).

ok. i am signing off from this thread. good night everyone.

I like the way you quote the part that makes me look like a **** when afterwards i said

just because you dont understand doesnt mean im wrong, and it can be the other way round too, just because i dont understand doesnt mean you're wrong[/quote[

I know many disagree with me, i dont really care, its no surprise everyone loves naruto, hes a popular character, so all of a sudden his entire methodology is correct?

lol

How many main characters ARENT like naruto yet are correct? and are special in there own way?

its hypocritical, all these main characters all being different yet naruto still hits the top spot still, just because hes a main character.

its a bit sad to be so contradictory.

 

[Naruto]

thats jiraiyas opinion

It doesn't mean its true, though it is for the story.

Sorry but whenever i have tried simply using just hard work and determination, its a major let-down, when i simply use my brain and figure something out that way, avoiding hard work, it usually ends up being fantastic, hard work and determination is over-rated

I see where you're going. I call using your brain to avoid hard work smart. But lazy. Hard work and determination builds character. I can do more with these two hands than you can with a thought.

Try moving your chair without touching it. Just by thinking.
Do you understand why Kishimoto put in the "hard work and determination" part in the manga? Because it's true. I'm not saying that you should switch your laboratory for a footbal. Far from it. You do realise that in order to become a scientist, you need to study, yes?

That's the hard work.

And that sometimes you will have tough times studying, right?

That's the determination.

I was using it as a analogous example...I thought everyone would realise that...I guess i was wrong, like i said everything can be expressed mathematically, and if we look at every character in a mathematical way...naruto is dumb.

Again, please... It's a piece of paper. Calculate whatever chemicals used in the paper, but don't attempt of using math on a fictional character. Jeez.

lol, he has 2 types of chakra but one is sealed, he isnt always having to control 2 forms of chakra, only when he opens the seal somewhat and lets the kyubii out does have have to control 2 types of chakra.

The Kyuubi's seal weakens each year. The Kyuubi's chakra is allways leaking into Naruto's. This was stated in the manga during Jiraya's training. Alot.

Also, gaara isnt a genius, hes still smart though, semi genius, and he has 2 types chakra too with 1tails, i dont see him struggling.

Gaara never had to do anything. The sand did everything for him. He never had to use chakra to defend himself, the sand protected him automatically. He didn't need chakra control to use his jutsu's. Not alot of it though.
Wrapping sand around someone is basic chakra control. Causing a tsunami of sand is harder, agreed. Now explain to me, Gaara only uses 2 jutsu's. Does that make him a complete retard too?

The point is the other tailed jinchuriki are all a myriad of intelligences and none of them appear to have trouble like naruto, quite the opposite in fact.

Oh, yes. The Eight-tails. The man who cannot stop singing rap lyrics when fighting. Who kept yelling like a schoolgirl during fights. Goddamn i must have forgotten about him. What intelligence.

And again, im having to repeat myself, his strategies are whack, and the enemy becomes 1000x more stupid, his strategies arent really strategic at all, and are very basic and dodgable in nature, yet everytime he executes the strategy the enemy becomes thick, slow, and easy to beat-PERSONALLY

No. It's because he's unpredictable. Kakuzu was shocked to see that Naruto has used his own body as a decoy. Who the hell would expect that? It's easy. If someone stood next to you and wacked you with a pink dildo on the nose while singing a Ray Charles song, you would not expect it and you would not dodge. You never took this into account.


If you was reading a book and a guy called tom suddenly became a woman as a journalist when it was originally about tom being a lawyer, youd go "wtf?"

There are no sudden changes in Naruto. He worked hard for everything he has (except for the Kyuubi, hahah). It's really easy to understand. He trains.

Training => increase of muscle mass => increase of power => ability to perform other jutsu's rises.

same with me in that naruto is a contradictory character, so every chapter with him in i go "wtf?" and find him very annoying, to the brink where i usually skip the pages/chapters hes on.

Then please refrain from reading "Naruto". He's the main character. Do you think he will only appear every 50 chapters like a filler character?

Hes just annoying and boring, the other characters are so much better.

Then you do not understand why the manga is so popular. It's because of the hidden messages in it. Determination, bonds, friendships and much, much more.

I even got someone to watch the anime lately and they came up to me and said "whys naruto such an idiot? the series should be called sasuke"

Because you probably kept filling his/her head with your theories about math.

and honestly, i think most people felt that at the start of the series.

No.

Kishi loves sasuke, and you can tell he prefers writing about sasuke in his manga.

No. Kishi likes Sasuke, and you can tell there will be alot of pain left for Sasuke.

 

[6th hokage]

ok, i will break my promise and post once more.

what u just said is entirely ur view. what seems contradictory may soley be in ur imagination. the character naruto is not perfect-we all know that, even sasuke isnt perfect. but if u think ppl just loves him just bcos he is the main character, not only u disrespect other's intelligence, u unfortunately unfold ur own poor way of thinking.

u never liked him, so u wont get why so many ppl like him. but many ppl like him for the way the character has been built. since u obviously cant see that, i advice u not to assume for others why they like naruto. its unfair and unacceptable to ppl whi like naruto. likewise, i wont try to analysis why u love other characters. its upto ur own personal liking.

PS. i missed this one. quite condescending.

Erm, no, everything is mathematical, and can be represented mathematically, youre just going to have to trust me on that one

i am quite good at math. u dont have to lecture me. btw, since u r from UK, i guess u watch cricket. now have u seen any great bowler became great by just knowing theory behind bowling or by using pencil paper trying to figure out the mathematical aspect of it? or rather they practiced bowling every single day and learn more along the way how to bowl well? this is called learning by doing.

 

[Sasuke Uzumaki]

2.Naruto is a genius? Yet he has trouble understanding chakra control, elements, and erm...everything.

He learns jutsus fast, but i dont see how he does that if hes brain-dead, which he is because he doesnt understand anything.

Its like getting someone who cant do any maths, but they can do algorithmic algebra in there head.

Its just complete opposites, naruto doesnt get anything kakashi says but he can DO it.

Sorry, that makes no sense, if naruto can DO the jutsu then he should understand the theory behind it, because the theory is what makes the jutsu work, its contradictory on kishis part.

And this is why i hate the character naruto, he just randomly gets smarter in the big battles, then in little battles the smarts and strategies hes shown are never used.

I understand your point, but do not agree. Those who complain that Naruto is not smart and that there's no way he could understand how jutsus work unless he understands the theory are missing a point: people learn in different ways: some, by listening; others, by reading; the last group, by doing. And I was able to prove that in the way I learn: if you tell me something, I forget, I need to read. In order to learn how to use a software, I need to use it, whatever I read does not help, I tend to forget.

How do you learn to type? by typing, no theory can save you there!

Naruto is just the "doing" type of learner, and "doing" type of learners tend not to worry about vocabulary but about understanding concepts even in the strangest of ways.

How many of you know how the binary system makes a computer process data? I know it does, and have no idea how. Yet, that does not prevent me from using it and posting this opinion.

 

[Naruto]

I understand your point, but do not agree. Those who complain that Naruto is not smart and that there's no way he could understand how jutsus work unless he understands the theory are missing a point: people learn in different ways: some, by listening; others, by reading; the last group, by doing. And I was able to prove that in the way I learn: if you tell me something, I forget, I need to read. In order to learn how to use a software, I need to use it, whatever I read does not help, I tend to forget.

How do you learn to type? by typing, no theory can save you there!

Naruto is just the "doing" type of learner, and "doing" type of learners tend not to worry about vocabulary but about understanding concepts even in the strangest of ways.

How many of you know how the binary system makes a computer process data? I know it does, and have no idea how. Yet, that does not prevent me from using it and posting this opinion.

Sir, i salute you. That was something i should have thought of.
Great thinking.

 

[SCaRFaCeD]

Holy shit this thread is crazy...

I'd say Naruto is balanced as far as power level, especially after seeing Killerbee and how much control he had over his Kyuubi chakra. If Naruto ever got to a point where he could remain in control and tap into all his demon power, then I'd say he was definitly OP (I hope he gets there lol). All his jutsu's + the nine-tails jutsu's and that power + speed would be Dragonball-Z-like and dwarf all other Naruto world characters by leaps and bounds.

As far as him being a retard or idiot when learning jutsu's... I think alot of the reason Kishi made Naruto like that is to explain the method and logic behind all these jutsu's to the reader. Not only does it allow the author to communicate information about jutsu's, chakra, elements and the way things work in his fictional world etc, but it makes the reader closer to Naruto because they empathise with his hard work and willingness to learn even if he is a little slow. He probably is the kind of person that knows alot more than he lets on also. Sometimes playing dumb can be a good thing!

 

[platinum69]

I understand your point, but do not agree. Those who complain that Naruto is not smart and that there's no way he could understand how jutsus work unless he understands the theory are missing a point: people learn in different ways: some, by listening; others, by reading; the last group, by doing. And I was able to prove that in the way I learn: if you tell me something, I forget, I need to read. In order to learn how to use a software, I need to use it, whatever I read does not help, I tend to forget.

How do you learn to type? by typing, no theory can save you there!

Naruto is just the "doing" type of learner, and "doing" type of learners tend not to worry about vocabulary but about understanding concepts even in the strangest of ways.

How many of you know how the binary system makes a computer process data? I know it does, and have no idea how. Yet, that does not prevent me from using it and posting this opinion.

Sir, i salute you. That was something i should have thought of.
Great thinking.

NB has really missed your wise input Sasuke Uzumaki! Welcome back! We all missed you!

How can someone question this topic now! LOL

Awesome wisdom you have shared with us!

 

[KASTAWAY]

it is worthless, a justu shouldnt be judged on power alone. Naruto's rasengan , odama rasengan and raseshuriken its powerful buts lacks speed and accurancy. It wouldnt stand a chance against the big dogs, pain, maadara or itachi. He needs a fast technique thats unavoidable sorta like sasuke's kirin

well we must also understand that most of naruto's rasengan tech are not fully developed. He must train with them and perfect them. He just now has the ability t form the tech now it must be perfected.

 

[SAKumono26]

whoa wats goingo n hear

 

[twistedlink]

I understand your point, but do not agree. Those who complain that Naruto is not smart and that there's no way he could understand how jutsus work unless he understands the theory are missing a point: people learn in different ways: some, by listening; others, by reading; the last group, by doing. And I was able to prove that in the way I learn: if you tell me something, I forget, I need to read. In order to learn how to use a software, I need to use it, whatever I read does not help, I tend to forget.

How do you learn to type? by typing, no theory can save you there!

Naruto is just the "doing" type of learner, and "doing" type of learners tend not to worry about vocabulary but about understanding concepts even in the strangest of ways.

How many of you know how the binary system makes a computer process data? I know it does, and have no idea how. Yet, that does not prevent me from using it and posting this opinion.

-_-'

Its called kinaesthetic learning, when i was a child i was going to be put into a special school, because i was having learning difficulties, then they realised i was a kinaesthetic learner, and once they started teaching me the way i learn, i actually became top student.

sounds exactly like naruto eh??

The thing is i didnt use hard work, i just dont understand most things by being told about them

IF however, i do something, and am then told about it, i understand both.

naruto only understands the practical, even after hes mastered the practical side he still doesnt appear to understand the theory as he progresses with jiraiya and kakashi, which is annoying, being a kinaesthetic learner myself exactly like naruto i know what its like, and i can tell you now if you understand the practical as a kinaesthetic learner, you then understand the theory, he has trouble though, its kind of a personal pet peeve of mine.

Buw w/e

Either way, my points all add up to "hes not overpowered"

and by the votes it seems majority agree with that, not that it proves im outright correct, definitely not, but it certainly means i have some basis towards my thinking

 

[SAKumono26]

-_-'

Its called kinaesthetic learning, when i was a child i was going to be put into a special school, because i was having learning difficulties, then they realised i was a kinaesthetic learner, and once they started teaching me the way i learn, i actually became top student.

sounds exactly like naruto eh??

The thing is i didnt use hard work, i just dont understand most things by being told about them

IF however, i do something, and am then told about it, i understand both.

naruto only understands the practical, even after hes mastered the practical side he still doesnt appear to understand the theory as he progresses with jiraiya and kakashi, which is annoying, being a kinaesthetic learner myself exactly like naruto i know what its like, and i can tell you now if you understand the practical as a kinaesthetic learner, you then understand the theory, he has trouble though, its kind of a personal pet peeve of mine.

Buw w/e

Either way, my points all add up to "hes not overpowered"

and by the votes it seems majority agree with that, not that it proves im outright correct, definitely not, but it certainly means i have some basis towards my thinking

can't we just stick 2 talking about naruto
U_U