Naruto getting to powerful

[Neutrino00]

it isn't worthless, It is still extremely powerfull, he took out one of Itachi's bodies with that jutsu. but also I would like to point out that learning sage mode is going to make Naruto exactly like Jiriyah, and to give you a clue on how powerfull that actually is, read the link in this thread(especially around the physical enhancements, and jutsu enhancements)

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[platinum69]

No matter how strong naruto will get there will always be someone stronger... too a pose him.

Heres what i love about naruto
1. His fighting spirit, he fights on against superior opposition eventhough he's the underdog. He never gives up

This factor is why I say He is of the same as Goku... 2 of the same Heart!

2. His dumbness, cuz of this he has to learn to stuff in unconventional ways. He learns justus through simpler methods which he and we can understand. Also he attacks his enemy without stratergy, which makes him unpredictable but sometimes it turns agaisnt him

Which makes him a true Genius

3.He used to have to rely on a power (the kyuubi) which he cant control but must use in times of danger. Its like fighting ur inner demons, eventhough he doesnt want to be the kyuubi he needs the kyuubi. And he could never completely master the kyuubis power so this created an inner conflict in naruto.

If J-man Didn't Play lock smith with the seal... then Naruto would have been all good controlling the 9 tails power... But now in sage mode he would be able to own the 4 tails and wont transform!
But Want I always wanted to see is Naruto fusing the 9 tails chakar with all his jutsu...


Plus I cant wait to see what Itachi left behind for naruto!!

 

[SAKumono26]

Heres what i love about naruto
1. His fighting spirit, he fights on against superior opposition eventhough he's the underdog. He never gives up
2. His dumbness, cuz of this he has to learn to stuff in unconventional ways. He learns justus through simpler methods which he and we can understand. Also he attacks his enemy without stratergy, which makes him unpredictable but sometimes it turns agaisnt him
3.He used to have to rely on a power (the kyuubi) which he cant control but must use in times of danger. Its like fighting ur inner demons, eventhough he doesnt want to be the kyuubi he needs the kyuubi. And he could never completely master the kyuubis power so this created an inner conflict in naruto.

I think all 3 of this are in danger cuz kishi is overpowering him. First itachi's gives him some secret power, he learns senjustu and god forbid he should learn space time ninjustu. What made naruto great was his fighting spirit not his justus, thats the same for the 4th ( u could argue the 1st was stronger). I dont wanna see a naruto kyuubiless, (no inner demons to fight), bulldozing though most fights without breaking a sweat. Or coming up with a stratergy to beat his enemies ,thats not his style. Also i dont wanna see naruto win all his fights from now on, the hero must loose sometime or basically theres no plot.

So leave some comments plez

BASICALy it won't matter who stronger
in then end becasue that person is wat naruto will overcome

 

[twistedlink]

Okay 1.

Neutrino, how do you know itachis gift is better than amaterasu?

I like the way 6th hokage thinks im just prejudiced against certain characters, and here you are saying that itachis gift is stronger than amaterasu in a fact-like way when nobody even knows what itachis gift is, and 6th hokage doesnt say anything about this massive innacuracy and just decides to flame every point i make with not so great arguments.

Id say 6th hokage is prejudiced against me hahahaha

2.Naruto is a genius? Yet he has trouble understanding chakra control, elements, and erm...everything.

He learns jutsus fast, but i dont see how he does that if hes brain-dead, which he is because he doesnt understand anything.

Its like getting someone who cant do any maths, but they can do algorithmic algebra in there head.

Its just complete opposites, naruto doesnt get anything kakashi says but he can DO it.

Sorry, that makes no sense, if naruto can DO the jutsu then he should understand the theory behind it, because the theory is what makes the jutsu work, its contradictory on kishis part.

And this is why i hate the character naruto, he just randomly gets smarter in the big battles, then in little battles the smarts and strategies hes shown are never used.

he appears to hold back in medium fights and only unleash true potential in big fights, and its just lame.

3. Yes, oodama rasengan is VERY powerful, however so is a nuke, but if that nuke fucked up and simply went into the atlantic ocean, i doubt the country launching it would go "damn it missed, but IMAGINE IF IT DID HIT, EH?!"

Its pointless saying a jutsu is good because it has massive damage, kakashis raikiri does massive damage, but he still couldnt hit pain with it, which is EXACTLY why kakashi is in the predicament he is in.

The power of a jutsu isnt worth anything UNTIL IT STRIKES THE ENEMY.

4.Jiraiya had a myriad of jutsus and more refined taijutsu than naruto.

Such things like needle barrage, ultimate rasengan (faster and more accurate due to jiraiyas skill), the way he locks people with his hair, belly of the toad, shooting oil from his mouth.

Not to mention jiraiya has probably practiced and had decades worth of battles in sage mode which gives him a lot more experience and thus power

Naruto however is NEW to sage mode, dont get me wrong, im sure hes increased his strengths loads, and i cant wait to see him in action, but the facts are naruto cannot fight like jiraiya-even in sage mode, he still needs experience and more jutsu.

6th hokage

dont mock never-giving-up strategy, i have seen ppl in real life by not giving up and believing oneself one can get far. it seems u dont believe in such thing and this belittles u.

I used to have that attitude as a child, then i grew up, hard work getting people somewhere is nonsense, to get far you need smarts, and you need to trick your bosses, trick your friends, and look out for number 1.
Real life aint happy roses and bunnies, im glad your friends managed to do something with hard work-but it simply doesnt work 100% of the time like it does with naruto.

Anyway, i digress...


Tenten has lots more skill than naruto, just because she doesnt have an S-class jutsu means nothing.

Give naruto kunai, give tenten kunai, no jutsu etc etc.

Tenten will whoop naruto

This is a good theoretical science experiment.

This means naruto lacks skill with kunai, and taijutsu, and movement and speed, and most of all, hitting accuracy.

Naruto needs to stop learning S-class jutsus which miss and focus on speed and accuracy.

Naruto probably could beat tenten if he was allowed to use jutsu, but hed miss a lot, and hed get hit with a lot of kunai.

Naruto gets beat up a lot during fights, and its because he has no strategy, hell jiraiya said it himself "do you want to be stabbed in the hand each time you want to attack someone"

Naruto is essentially a sitting duck, and his accuracy sucks too, so he pretty much ends up as a punch bag, and then he shouts some bullshit cliched rubbish, and one punch the enemy is down, its just annoying.

I have never found any of narutos battles interesting or gripping, all of them have sucked, it ruins the fights.

Best fights in naruto are in order (personal opinion)

1.Itachi-sasuke
2.Jiraiya-Pain
3.Sakura-Sasori

Hell the sannin fight was annoying because naruto was there, itd have been a much better fight without him being there.

He just pisses me off, i honestly can say id rather naruto die than kakashi.

In fact i hope naruto does die at the end, because hes an ass.

 

[SAKumono26]

Okay 1.

Neutrino, how do you know itachis gift is better than amaterasu?

I like the way 6th hokage thinks im just prejudiced against certain characters, and here you are saying that itachis gift is stronger than amaterasu in a fact-like way when nobody even knows what itachis gift is, and 6th hokage doesnt say anything about this massive innacuracy and just decides to flame every point i make with not so great arguments.

Id say 6th hokage is prejudiced against me hahahaha

2.Naruto is a genius? Yet he has trouble understanding chakra control, elements, and erm...everything.

He learns jutsus fast, but i dont see how he does that if hes brain-dead, which he is because he doesnt understand anything.

Its like getting someone who cant do any maths, but they can do algorithmic algebra in there head.

Its just complete opposites, naruto doesnt get anything kakashi says but he can DO it.

Sorry, that makes no sense, if naruto can DO the jutsu then he should understand the theory behind it, because the theory is what makes the jutsu work, its contradictory on kishis part.

And this is why i hate the character naruto, he just randomly gets smarter in the big battles, then in little battles the smarts and strategies hes shown are never used.

he appears to hold back in medium fights and only unleash true potential in big fights, and its just lame.

3. Yes, oodama rasengan is VERY powerful, however so is a nuke, but if that nuke fucked up and simply went into the atlantic ocean, i doubt the country launching it would go "damn it missed, but IMAGINE IF IT DID HIT, EH?!"

Its pointless saying a jutsu is good because it has massive damage, kakashis raikiri does massive damage, but he still couldnt hit pain with it, which is EXACTLY why kakashi is in the predicament he is in.

The power of a jutsu isnt worth anything UNTIL IT STRIKES THE ENEMY.

4.Jiraiya had a myriad of jutsus and more refined taijutsu than naruto.

Such things like needle barrage, ultimate rasengan (faster and more accurate due to jiraiyas skill), the way he locks people with his hair, belly of the toad, shooting oil from his mouth.

Not to mention jiraiya has probably practiced and had decades worth of battles in sage mode which gives him a lot more experience and thus power

Naruto however is NEW to sage mode, dont get me wrong, im sure hes increased his strengths loads, and i cant wait to see him in action, but the facts are naruto cannot fight like jiraiya-even in sage mode, he still needs experience and more jutsu.

6th hokage



I used to have that attitude as a child, then i grew up, hard work getting people somewhere is nonsense, to get far you need smarts, and you need to trick your bosses, trick your friends, and look out for number 1.
Real life aint happy roses and bunnies, im glad your friends managed to do something with hard work-but it simply doesnt work 100% of the time like it does with naruto.

Anyway, i digress...


Tenten has lots more skill than naruto, just because she doesnt have an S-class jutsu means nothing.

Give naruto kunai, give tenten kunai, no jutsu etc etc.

Tenten will whoop naruto

This is a good theoretical science experiment.

This means naruto lacks skill with kunai, and taijutsu, and movement and speed, and most of all, hitting accuracy.

Naruto needs to stop learning S-class jutsus which miss and focus on speed and accuracy.

Naruto probably could beat tenten if he was allowed to use jutsu, but hed miss a lot, and hed get hit with a lot of kunai.

Naruto gets beat up a lot during fights, and its because he has no strategy, hell jiraiya said it himself "do you want to be stabbed in the hand each time you want to attack someone"

Naruto is essentially a sitting duck, and his accuracy sucks too, so he pretty much ends up as a punch bag, and then he shouts some bullshit cliched rubbish, and one punch the enemy is down, its just annoying.

I have never found any of narutos battles interesting or gripping, all of them have sucked, it ruins the fights.

Best fights in naruto are in order (personal opinion)

1.Itachi-sasuke
2.Jiraiya-Pain
3.Sakura-Sasori

Hell the sannin fight was annoying because naruto was there, itd have been a much better fight without him being there.

He just pisses me off, i honestly can say id rather naruto die than kakashi.

In fact i hope naruto does die at the end, because hes an ass.

Lol u went all out
u did not insult me this 1 did ya

 

[Neutrino00]

you say giving up is what you should do to the guy that phoned apple everyday for a year and a half and because he did just that got one of the hi positions in it(he then quit and got hired by microsoft, and then later retired)before he even reached grade 9?

 

[twistedlink]

you say giving up is what you should do to the guy that phoned apple everyday for a year and a half and because he did just that got one of the hi positions in it(he then quit and got hired by microsoft, and then later retired)before he even reached grade 9?

wtf, that is really random...lol

 

[Neutrino00]

No it isn't, he would have never made that position(i forget exactly what the position's were called and who the name was as it was like a year and a half ago that he went to my school to talk about a donation thingie where people would donate to any cause and 100% of that money would go to whoever that person was donating too) if he decided to stop calling everyday, it is cause he never gave up that he finally managed to get to talk with the CEO of Apple, who was then like hired.

 

[SAKumono26]

wtf, that is really random...lol

do u hate CANADIANS

DO U HATE ME

 

[platinum69]

Okay 1.

Neutrino, how do you know itachis gift is better than amaterasu?

I like the way 6th hokage thinks im just prejudiced against certain characters, and here you are saying that itachis gift is stronger than amaterasu in a fact-like way when nobody even knows what itachis gift is, and 6th hokage doesnt say anything about this massive innacuracy and just decides to flame every point i make with not so great arguments.

Id say 6th hokage is prejudiced against me hahahaha

2.Naruto is a genius? Yet he has trouble understanding chakra control, elements, and erm...everything.

He learns jutsus fast, but i dont see how he does that if hes brain-dead, which he is because he doesnt understand anything.

Its like getting someone who cant do any maths, but they can do algorithmic algebra in there head.

Its just complete opposites, naruto doesnt get anything kakashi says but he can DO it.

Sorry, that makes no sense, if naruto can DO the jutsu then he should understand the theory behind it, because the theory is what makes the jutsu work, its contradictory on kishis part.

And this is why i hate the character naruto, he just randomly gets smarter in the big battles, then in little battles the smarts and strategies hes shown are never used.

he appears to hold back in medium fights and only unleash true potential in big fights, and its just lame.

3. Yes, oodama rasengan is VERY powerful, however so is a nuke, but if that nuke fucked up and simply went into the atlantic ocean, i doubt the country launching it would go "damn it missed, but IMAGINE IF IT DID HIT, EH?!"

Its pointless saying a jutsu is good because it has massive damage, kakashis raikiri does massive damage, but he still couldnt hit pain with it, which is EXACTLY why kakashi is in the predicament he is in.

The power of a jutsu isnt worth anything UNTIL IT STRIKES THE ENEMY.

4.Jiraiya had a myriad of jutsus and more refined taijutsu than naruto.

Such things like needle barrage, ultimate rasengan (faster and more accurate due to jiraiyas skill), the way he locks people with his hair, belly of the toad, shooting oil from his mouth.

Not to mention jiraiya has probably practiced and had decades worth of battles in sage mode which gives him a lot more experience and thus power

Naruto however is NEW to sage mode, dont get me wrong, im sure hes increased his strengths loads, and i cant wait to see him in action, but the facts are naruto cannot fight like jiraiya-even in sage mode, he still needs experience and more jutsu.

6th hokage



I used to have that attitude as a child, then i grew up, hard work getting people somewhere is nonsense, to get far you need smarts, and you need to trick your bosses, trick your friends, and look out for number 1.
Real life aint happy roses and bunnies, im glad your friends managed to do something with hard work-but it simply doesnt work 100% of the time like it does with naruto.

Anyway, i digress...


Tenten has lots more skill than naruto, just because she doesnt have an S-class jutsu means nothing.

Give naruto kunai, give tenten kunai, no jutsu etc etc.

Tenten will whoop naruto

This is a good theoretical science experiment.

This means naruto lacks skill with kunai, and taijutsu, and movement and speed, and most of all, hitting accuracy.

Naruto needs to stop learning S-class jutsus which miss and focus on speed and accuracy.

Naruto probably could beat tenten if he was allowed to use jutsu, but hed miss a lot, and hed get hit with a lot of kunai.

Naruto gets beat up a lot during fights, and its because he has no strategy, hell jiraiya said it himself "do you want to be stabbed in the hand each time you want to attack someone"

Naruto is essentially a sitting duck, and his accuracy sucks too, so he pretty much ends up as a punch bag, and then he shouts some bullshit cliched rubbish, and one punch the enemy is down, its just annoying.

I have never found any of narutos battles interesting or gripping, all of them have sucked, it ruins the fights.

Best fights in naruto are in order (personal opinion)

1.Itachi-sasuke
2.Jiraiya-Pain
3.Sakura-Sasori

Hell the sannin fight was annoying because naruto was there, itd have been a much better fight without him being there.

He just pisses me off, i honestly can say id rather naruto die than kakashi.

In fact i hope naruto does die at the end, because hes an ass.

Really full on... seems like you had a lot to unload!!! I agree on most of your points but a few.

2.Naruto is a genius? Yet he has trouble understanding chakra control, elements, and erm...everything. He learns jutsus fast, but i dont see how he does that if hes brain-dead, which he is because he doesnt understand anything. Its like getting someone who cant do any maths, but they can do algorithmic algebra in there head. Its just complete opposites, naruto doesnt get anything kakashi says but he can DO it. Sorry, that makes no sense, if naruto can DO the jutsu then he should understand the theory behind it, because the theory is what makes the jutsu work, its contradictory on kishis part.
And this is why i hate the character naruto, he just randomly gets smarter in the big battles, then in little battles the smarts and strategies hes shown are never used.
he appears to hold back in medium fights and only unleash true potential in big fights, and its just lame.

I will admit that yes the man is slow and needs help. But he overcomes situations more easily then even a true Genius... This comment you made just now remind me of Neji speaking down on naruto in the chunning exam... well he got proven wrong... Naruto is not a failure...


Naruto has really good chakar control... And awesome time with his Shadow clones... Learning the rasengan took more chakar Control then any other jutsu possible...

Nature Element Chakar Control... Well no one is born knowing how to do is but me>>>LOL... But for someone like Naruto this would be very difficult to over come... But he has proven that through his way of think he can accomplish this factor.
*********In the anime Shakur says that this type of training cant be done through share guts and will power alone... then she states how will he be able to do it... Then seen changes back to Naruto at the water fall... AND guess WHAT!! Naruto is there with his hands up on the water full remembering the steps Asuma told him to use wind chakar...
It show him saying over and over again "imagine to spirals opposite to each other rubbing together" Something something...

So he might not understand something at first attempted to explain but is because of his Learning type... not that he is a dumb a$$... Remember when Pa frog was explaining something Naruto was lost for the life of him the The Big frog Dude (sorry forget name) said in terms naruto would understand and used the Ice cream terminology then BANG Naruto was on top of it...://
So once Naruto understands something he never forgets and practises that to his full potential... Which allows him to improve... And become grater then anyone.

Where a So called "true genius" wouldnt put that much effort into training sell themselves short... Letting it get to there heads... becoming "MR KNOW IT ALL"

Everything Kakashi says Naruto understands... but makes it his own understanding... like when he said to Kakashi "you want me to look left and right at the same time" Kakashi was like yeah so this is how its done... Then creates a shadow clone and looks both ways... Naurto was like "OOOH I get it now" then was able to create the wind Rasegan very easliy....

3.Yes, oodama rasengan is VERY powerful, however so is a nuke, but if that nuke fucked up and simply went into the atlantic ocean, i doubt the country launching it would go "damn it missed, but IMAGINE IF IT DID HIT, EH?!"
Its pointless saying a jutsu is good because it has massive damage, kakashis raikiri does massive damage, but he still couldnt hit pain with it, which is EXACTLY why kakashi is in the predicament he is in. The power of a jutsu isnt worth anything UNTIL IT STRIKES THE ENEMY.

Nukes not only kill its target but fully fuks up everything around it!!! then Miles of radiation gets spread and so on... But I do understand the point your making... MASSIVE DESTRUCTION FORCE!
Also Yes he has missed more time then he has landed a Jutsu but once he has missed he has gotten back up and tried again... WHich is a factor you have put him down... His Persistence potential perseverance determination diligence feebleness these are the true character of Narutos Nature.

Your last comment... is 100% true! "The power of a jutsu isnt worth anything UNTIL IT STRIKES THE ENEMY"

4.Jiraiya had a myriad of jutsus and more refined taijutsu than naruto.
Such things like needle barrage, ultimate rasengan (faster and more accurate due to jiraiyas skill), the way he locks people with his hair, belly of the toad, shooting oil from his mouth.
Not to mention jiraiya has probably practiced and had decades worth of battles in sage mode which gives him a lot more experience and thus power

100% agree with you

Naruto however is NEW to sage mode, dont get me wrong, im sure hes increased his strengths loads, and i cant wait to see him in action, but the facts are naruto cannot fight like jiraiya-even in sage mode, he still needs experience and more jutsu.

Naruto Sage Mode is far beyond J-mans making him heaps better... Jman became a toad like man... Having Toad face and fingers and feet... Where naruto has these cool eyes thats all...

100% down with that comment that naruto lack major Battle experiance... but a wise man told me that Pa frog will be there to help naruto add to his battle experiance.

I used to have that attitude as a child, then i grew up, hard work getting people somewhere is nonsense, to get far you need smarts, and you need to trick your bosses, trick your friends, and look out for number 1.Real life aint happy roses and bunnies, im glad your friends managed to do something with hard work-but it simply doesnt work 100% of the time like it does with naruto.

What a sad world you/we live in but its all true... If your talking about MONEY!!!! But in LOVE FRIENDSHIP HONOR RESPECT (which Naruto is about) looking out for NUMBER 1... leave you experiencing LONELINESS... Not being Acknowledged by loved ones... and in both worlds...

Tenten has lots more skill than naruto, just because she doesnt have an S-class jutsu means nothing. Give naruto kunai, give tenten kunai, no jutsu etc etc.
Tenten will whoop naruto... This is a good theoretical science experiment.

DUDE this comment Im not even goner bother... Your Shooting yourself in the foot...

Naruto gets beat up a lot during fights, and its because he has no strategy, hell jiraiya said it himself "do you want to be stabbed in the hand each time you want to attack someone" Naruto is essentially a sitting duck, and his accuracy sucks too, so he pretty much ends up as a punch bag, and then he shouts some bullshit cliched rubbish, and one punch the enemy is down, its just annoying.

THIS IS SOOO TRUE!!! PLEASE I HOPE HE HAS CHANGED!!! But I would say sitting Duck more like a raging bull...

Ooh one thing STRATEGY... he develops them after he gets wasted... Like in the sora filler fighting the WIG lady with all 5 elements... Naruto came up with a Mad STRATEGY but it took a good hiding!!!



Naruto Made the fight with the sannin... stopping Kabuto with his hand was awesome (not to be done in every fight But just this once) then using a Shadow clone to make the first Rasengan...

He just pisses me off, i honestly can say id rather naruto die than kakashi.In fact i hope naruto does die at the end, because hes an ass.

I wasnt going to comment yo post until I read this!!!

Dude There are millions of fans who would acknowledge Naruto... I dont want to comment on your character to make this personal... SO I wont go to that level...

 

[Uchiha]

Naruto is not too powerful!

 

[-sHawTy-]

He was shown to be uber smart and very powerful and then he gets fooled by the most basic trick that even KIBA in the chuunin examinations DIDNT GET FOOLED BY.

i aint too sure if u watched that episode.. but wasnt it Naruto won that fight? and how many times did Naruto trick Kiba with his Shadow + Transformation Jutsu?

I cant be bothered to think of more, but naruto just gets really lucky breaks, when in reality hes a one hit wonder with a loud-mouth attitude.

Hes not that special, he just so happens to have a tonne of chakra, thats about as special as he gets, other than his special intelligence (retarded level)

And he cant even use that large mass of chakra properly either.

Lucky break? What lucky break? He trained his ass off, 2 1/2 years, forgot about the chunin exams and went with Jiraaya. Lucky Break?

He may not be the smartest Ninja around, but he's definitely the dumbest one either. And he's not retarded, coz if he is, he couldnt have mastered that Rasengan, which is an S-Class jutsu in less than a week. -_-

twisted really seems to be twisted on naruto character..hahah..anyway, its upto individual how they view things.

its my observation(i may not be right) that twisted is so blind on kakashi that he opened an entire thread praising kakashi how he figured out pain's secret so quickly(example, shared vision). where it is so obvious in manga that he was preped by fuka earlier. dont get me wrong, i am not a hater of kakashi (in fact i am a fan of him) or anyone else. but when prejudice grips you its become harder to see even obvious things clearly. same with naruto. he seems to hate naruto so much (its upto him), he always sees naruto's glass half empty, instead of half full.

in his early age, naruto was a former prankster of highest order. meaning he is not unintelligent. my friend failed to see the cues of his intelligence(not bookish intelligence, but learning jutsus and forming strategy in battlefield) kishi left behind, from episode 1.

initial chapters
- learning kage bunshin(jounin technique) in a few hours
- against zabuza (a brilliant strategy, pls go thru that if u have time)
- fooling kiba's scent in chunin exam, fooling neji by feigning as a bunshin

these are initial chapters. meaning kishi has been consistent from the get go drawing naruto as he is. there are patches of brilliance in learning jutsu and clever battle strategy thruout naruto, but naruto haters conveniently ignores this side of naruto.


dont mock never-giving-up strategy, i have seen ppl in real life by not giving up and believing oneself one can get far. it seems u dont believe in such thing and this belittles u.


he used desert coffin, so get ur facts right.

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this is and the logic behind this is just as pathetic as ur kakashi thread. jounin never said "every single strategy", u have conveniently 'twisted' it, he also said the same thing abt neji and neji went on to become jounin.

u write a lot, hardly any substane, twisted facts and lots of prejudice (which obviously blinds ur logic)

i dont have to change someone's mind. but i will answer u if u plz tell me what r things that makes naruto such a dumbass(who doesnt even deserve to be a chunin when tenten canbe) the next time i log in.

well put +reps

Okay 1.

2.Naruto is a genius? Yet he has trouble understanding chakra control, elements, and erm...everything.

its a figure of speech when u say someone a genius. Not literally meaning, he is a genius. -_- I can be called a genius coz i have reconciled a year profit and loss account in juz a matter of minutes. Same with Naruto, on how he was able to figured out himself in completing the jutsu. But we're not Albert Einstein. -_-

He learns jutsus fast, but i dont see how he does that if hes brain-dead, which he is because he doesnt understand anything.

again, if he is, he couldnt have completed that jutsu, which btw, the 4th Hokage, wasnt able to.

Its just complete opposites, naruto doesnt get anything kakashi says but he can DO it.

again, if he doesnt, he couldnt have completed RS. -_-

Sorry, that makes no sense, if naruto can DO the jutsu then he should understand the theory behind it, because the theory is what makes the jutsu work, its contradictory on kishis part.

And this is why i hate the character naruto, he just randomly gets smarter in the big battles, then in little battles the smarts and strategies hes shown are never used.

it does actually makes sense coz he's using his Main Jutsu, the shadow clones. Kakashi had already explained that part which Naruto didnt first realize. How a shadow clone can gain knowledge twice as much and that knowledge would be passed on to the orig user. The more he uses it, the more he understands whats going on. Hence, he's using it to analyze and make his comeback. Ref: Kakazu fight.

3. Yes, oodama rasengan is VERY powerful, however so is a nuke, but if that nuke fucked up and simply went into the atlantic ocean, i doubt the country launching it would go "damn it missed, but IMAGINE IF IT DID HIT, EH?!"

wah? -_-

The power of a jutsu isnt worth anything UNTIL IT STRIKES THE ENEMY.

yeah, and how many times did Naruto use Rasengan and strike his enemy defeated?

Tenten has lots more skill than naruto, just because she doesnt have an S-class jutsu means nothing.

oh yeah, sure... she so does... but.. um... did she win any fight? has she saved someone? errrr.....

Give naruto kunai, give tenten kunai, no jutsu etc etc.

Tenten will whoop naruto.

you're kidding me right? Tenten doesnt have much stamina as Naruto does.

Coz if u really do mean that, you're like saying Tenten can defeat KAKASHI? -_-

Naruto gets beat up a lot during fights, and its because he has no strategy, hell jiraiya said it himself "do you want to be stabbed in the hand each time you want to attack someone"

Naruto is essentially a sitting duck, and his accuracy sucks too, so he pretty much ends up as a punch bag, and then he shouts some bullshit cliched rubbish, and one punch the enemy is down, its just annoying.

I have never found any of narutos battles interesting or gripping, all of them have sucked, it ruins the fights.

Best fights in naruto are in order (personal opinion)

1.Itachi-sasuke
2.Jiraiya-Pain
3.Sakura-Sasori

Hell the sannin fight was annoying because naruto was there, itd have been a much better fight without him being there.

He just pisses me off, i honestly can say id rather naruto die than kakashi.

In fact i hope naruto does die at the end, because hes an ass.

Those shinobis uve mentioned have used a hell lot of jutsus more than Naruto ever did. And they were also forbidden ones too. So don't start preachin about how to be accurate and that stop using jutsus coz everyone in the shinobi world does have one. (almost everyone) Naruto only have a few jutsus compared to those guyz. Hence he was able to defeat his opponents.

Naruto's specialty is that Kage Bunshin jutsu. You may like it or not, but it does make him stronger and powerful. he has shown tremendous improvements since before the time skip. It is so obvious. He worked hard for it, and he had to fight for it, just to be acknowledged by others. The courage he has shown is just inspirational that it has brought forth good influence to others.

He does act dumb all the time coz thats what he is, a knucklehead ninja. An unpredictable one however.

And with that HE WILL BE THE BEST NINJA EVER LIVED JUST LIKE HIS DADDY. AND WILL BE THE FUTURE HOKAGE.

Acknowledged, Stamped & Delivered!

 

[Xero]

Guys, stop quoting massive posts.. pleeeeease.

 

[-Andy-]

Guys, stop quoting massive posts.. pleeeeease.

i agree lol XD

 

[inflatablefriend]

I think all that kishi is doing is to show these young ninja at their prime. We already have our sasuke rise and shine as we saw his powers peak and dwindle, maybe we will see the same for naruto.


You gotta say it makes things alot more interesting during the series, and we haven't even seen naruto tap the Nine tales power. I think its a bit premature to say he is getting to powerful when we know he can be even stronger than this. what else do you except from the host of tailed beast.

 

[SAKumono26]

simple like all protagnists
NAruto is gunna be the one that overcomes every inhumanyl possible
he is THE CHOSEN 1 yeah sounds corny i know
-_-
however some authors make a portagnist die in the end so we will see

 

[twistedlink]

No, genius literally means someone with a High IQ (meaning high cognitive abilities)

# someone who has exceptional intellectual ability and originality; "Mozart was a child genius"; "he's smart but he's no Einstein"
# brilliance: unusual mental ability
# ace: someone who is dazzlingly skilled in any field
# exceptional creative ability
# flair: a natural talent; "he has a flair for mathematics"; "he has a genius for interior decorating"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

I also love the way you said you can be a genius without being einstein, and princeton says the opposite.

Now...who knows more about the word...princeton or a narutobase member...hmmm...


Kiba lost in the last 5 minutes when naruto made all that cliched rubbish, 95% of the fight kiba owned him, and naruto used pretty much the EXACT same trick on kiba as he did kakuzu, and kiba didnt fool for it.



Again, everyones proving my points, he can use moves and learn them disgustingly fast (like rasengan in 3 days)

But this is my point, he doesnt understand the theory so how can he do it for real?

"feel the chakra"

"what??" "i dont get it?"

well if he doesnt get you have to feel chakra, then in practice, hes not going to TRY and feel chakra, so how can he execute the move without understanding the theory?

Its like being able to walk physically, but not understanding the concepts behind it (moving one foot in front of the other)

Its impossible, to do an action you must understand the theory behind it, we all know that to get more power behind a punch to put weight into it, or to have speed to use our arms, lower our head, and run, not just run like we walk.

Theres many examples i could give, the point is naruto learns kinaesthetically, he needs to do it to understand it, the problem is he can use the technique but still doesnt understand it, which is completely impossible.

you're kidding me right? Tenten doesnt have much stamina as Naruto does.

Coz if u really do mean that, you're like saying Tenten can defeat KAKASHI? -_-

WHAT??

im so glad no-one here is a scientist, theyd suck

Look when using an experiment to figure out a certain variable, you remove all variables and are left with the 2 variables you want to test.


If you want to test two multi-talented (ninjutsu, genjutsu, taijutsu could be running, javelin, shotput) athletes speeds you get them to run

to test there strength you pit them in shotput


My example is if you got naruto and tenten, and they were only allowed to use taijutsu and kunai, naruto would lose, because tenten has much better accuracy, and more skill with her body.

This proves narutos basic ninja skills suck

If you got tenten and naruto to only use ninjutsu, naruto would win

from this we can deduce tenten has better accuracy, but tenten has less powerful ninjutsu.

Its simple experimental designs most people see pre highschool lab -_-

Those shinobis uve mentioned have used a hell lot of jutsus more than Naruto ever did. And they were also forbidden ones too. So don't start preachin about how to be accurate and that stop using jutsus coz everyone in the shinobi world does have one. (almost everyone) Naruto only have a few jutsus compared to those guyz. Hence he was able to defeat his opponents.

LOL again, youre proving my point, ive been saying this entire thread naruto needs more jutsus like akatsuki etc.

Everyones saying naruto is too powerful when he has, in reality, 1 true offensive ninjutsu, everyone else has at least 3 big moves.

Proving naruto is nowhere near overpowered yet.

I cant wait to see naruto with more ninjutsu, because then he will rock, especially if his accuracy increases.

Naruto is personally not even jounin level yet.

For a start you are required to have 2 elemental affinities to even be accpeted into jounin exams, of which naruto doesn't.


I dont care how many people say "yeah but hes still stronger than jounin"

No, thats like someone having too low of an IQ to take a MENSA test (not enough elements to take jounin test) but then saying, the person who has too low IQ actually has HIGHER IQ than the mensa members (naruto stronger than the jounin)

sorry, thats impossible, and makes no sense.



Naruto just shouts emo bullshit (sasuke is emo too, but naruto whinges all the time, hes more emo than sasuke) and manages to take out super powered enemies in one punch or one shot.

I love the way he defeated the 1tails by punching gaara in the face, thats hilarious, even an academy student wouldnt lose after 1 punch LOL

This is my point about naruto just having lucky fights where previous enemies strengths just dont count

people say "yeah but gaara was weakned, so it only took one punch"

funny, not enough stamina to take a punch, but hes fine simply unleashing a 1tailed beast

Yeah...that makes sense...

 

[twistedlink]

No it isn't, he would have never made that position(i forget exactly what the position's were called and who the name was as it was like a year and a half ago that he went to my school to talk about a donation thingie where people would donate to any cause and 100% of that money would go to whoever that person was donating too) if he decided to stop calling everyday, it is cause he never gave up that he finally managed to get to talk with the CEO of Apple, who was then like hired.

Okay then, lets all 7 billion of us do this.

wait no that wont work

again, variables are present here

If it was only hard work that got him that position, then in theory if we all did the same as him we'd all get the job.

However that is not the case, logically therefore something more than hard work is needed.

Put it this way, in university i once wrote an essay, it didnt get a high grade despite being a massive piece of hard work.

The next essay i simply took notes on my lecturers BIAS towards the subject, and i wrote an essay in 2 hours, A+, because i tricked him, and used other methods to get somewhere, whereas everyone elses hard work still got them C's

I dont mean to be patronising, but when you grow up in the real world, and get a job or career, youre going to meet some very unfair people, bullies, and outright psychopaths, and simply "working hard" will get you nowhere.

you will disagree with me now, but remember this post in 10 years time.

 

[Neutrino00]

do you know what your saying twisted?
you are saying that someone who is too lazy to do any kind of work at all, does nothing in highschool, doesn't take university, quits anyjob he gets cause he doesn't want to do it, will get further than somebody who works his ass off in highschool to get alot of scholorships so he could go into a big university such as princeton, goes into that place, then works his ass off doing university stuff and spends a long time doing it, just because the guy who decided he didn't want to work hard at anything has a higher mental capability then the guy who worked his ass off to get into university? and since not everybody works insanely hard to get somewhere, like this guy was like one of the only people who called once a day for a year trying to get a job, cause everybody else was too lazy, or gave up, and because of that he soared above everybody else. You should abide by your own preaching and since you apparently are smarter than everybody else you should decide to do nothing and give up on everything and in ten years we will see who is the most succesfull, the guy who decided to give up and be a bum, or the guy who went to university and worked.

 

[twistedlink]

do you know what your saying twisted?
you are saying that someone who is too lazy to do any kind of work at all, does nothing in highschool, doesn't take university, quits anyjob he gets cause he doesn't want to do it, will get further than somebody who works his ass off in highschool to get alot of scholorships so he could go into a big university such as princeton, goes into that place, then works his ass off doing university stuff and spends a long time doing it, just because the guy who decided he didn't want to work hard at anything has a higher mental capability then the guy who worked his ass off to get into university? and since not everybody works insanely hard to get somewhere, like this guy was like one of the only people who called once a day for a year trying to get a job, cause everybody else was too lazy, or gave up, and because of that he soared above everybody else. You should abide by your own preaching and since you apparently are smarter than everybody else you should decide to do nothing and give up on everything and in ten years we will see who is the most succesfull, the guy who decided to give up and be a bum, or the guy who went to university and worked.

No, what im saying is highschool university and jobs are a lot easier if you use smarts instead of simply "trying hard"

I dont mean be a lazy ass, but my point is just "trying as hard as you can" isnt the best way, it isnt the quickest way, and it isnt the most effective way.

As you get older you get wiser, and you figure out how to do things by using less hard work.

Im not smarter than everyone else, i am however, smart.

Theres work and theres hard work.

Work is always needed, hard work is never needed much in life if youre smart enough to avoid it and still yield the same results