[Spoilers] Naruto a genius?

[Tento]

Lol have you even seen Minato's battle with Tobi? His intelligence was one of the main reasons he won that fight. Hiruzen was also called the professor for the amount of jutsu he knew.

I know, that was my point.

 

[Soulzz]

Far from Genius but has his moments

 

[BigTDogg220]

The genius term is definitely over used. Neji is the genius of his clan. Orochimaru, Minato, and Sasuke are genius for their era, Kakashi is genius for creating chidori...

The way it's generally used it someone far exceeding the expectations that people had for them...such as Shikamaru being a genius strategist which is huge considering he was a lazy bum in the academy.

Meh, it's not about that so much. What makes Naruto unique is his ability to improvise so quickly through intuition alone rather than conscious thought. Call it whatever you want, but he doesn't run through the same thought processes to come to the same conclusions as other shinobi do, nor does he use the same means, partly because of his chakra and jutsu etc., partly because he thinks differently from not having to learn to fight conventionally. He's a one of a kind, so I'm really not surprised that he thinks differently, for better or worse.

Peace

Leafeater has it right, Naruto thinks different than everyone else and his cleverness comes to him quickly and it's generally more than enough for him to be successful in battle.

 

[Spartan117]

No one knows a lot about the evil chains tobi has. I suppose it'll be worth a wait. Though part of me thinks it'll go un answered.

 

[Ironreaver7]

his genius is unorthodox and not as refined as say shikamaru, he does have his moments he not a genius like Shikamaru or Minato who can plan things 10 steps ahead but he does have that spur of the moment genius thing going for him at times. Nobody knew he would go sage mode inside and try to help his other self push the rod out. All we saw were clones used to open the mouth.

He gets pts from me..i like his style of genius as I do shikamaru.

 

[Hyakk]

He much smarter now..........but not as smart as Shika

 

[psukkar]

It seems to me that he actuallly gets smarter in sage mode.First the third raikage and now this? Almost like he leaves the animal instincts home with the RM.

Yea, naruto plays his cards smarter in sage mode. I think this mainly because he feels he can do anything in that mode reach wise.

He knows sage mode well now and always delivers well in that mode. I like it this way sage mode is my favourite.

 

[Kirin Rei]

Yea, naruto plays his cards smarter in sage mode. I think this mainly because he feels he can do anything in that mode reach wise.

He knows sage mode well now and always delivers well in that mode. I like it this way sage mode is my favourite.

Haha, actually, I was thinking the exact opposite.

I always thought that Naruto thought his moves through in SM because he knew his limits and didn't want to waste chakra on meaningless stuff. In short, he strategised.

In KM though, it seems like he's high on coffee or something.

IMMA SPAM MAH RASENGAN HERE, IMMA SPAM MAH RASENSHURIKEN THERE, IMMA MAKE 40,000 CLONES N' NOT GIVE A DAMN, YEAH!

For some reason, the above sentence is what I imagine him to be thinking while in KM.

 

[leafeater]

Haha, actually, I was thinking the exact opposite.

I always thought that Naruto thought his moves through in SM because he knew his limits and didn't want to waste chakra on meaningless stuff. In short, he strategised.

In KM though, it seems like he's high on coffee or something.

IMMA SPAM MAH RASENGAN HERE, IMMA SPAM MAH RASENSHURIKEN THERE, IMMA MAKE 40,000 CLONES N' NOT GIVE A DAMN, YEAH!

For some reason, the above sentence is what I imagine him to be thinking while in KM.

Yeah, in sage mode Naruto would keep in conscious mind things like how many FRS he'd thrown, how much nature chakra he had, where he had to be to reverse summon during the fight against the six paths of Pains. Thus, there was a lot of concern about his nature chakra levels, while at the same time consciously thinking and applying his knowledge of sage mode such as toad kata's to hit the ninjutsu absorbing path with a nature chakra extension of himself that the Rinnegan couldn't see. Thus, I guess there was more forethought in his strategies with sage mode, a more conscientious and deliberate fighter in Naruto if you will. Would you think that that's a fair description?

Naruto is still learning KM, and it's major drawback was the inability to use mass Kage Bunshin (shadow clones), which has been overcome simply because the Kyuubi, Kurama, has chosen to stop stealing Naruto's chakra, for reason's unrevealed, but I think it's to avoid taking in Naruto's warm/light anti-hatred chakra in some maladaptive way to preserve what Kurama thinks is good.

Anyway, KM has many more free parameters than sage mode does, so I would agree in large part with this assessment. For example, just the use and control of multiple chakra arms has to be a concept so foreign, but he's learnt it quite well (ex. sprouting two chakra fingers to shoot a mini-FRS, that's great chakra control). However, Naruto has not learned all there is to know in KM. Further, what is worse, is that he doesn't seem to be as aware of what he doesn't know, i.e. his weaknesses in KM as did when he was in sage mode, as this mode is so powerful that it leads to the spamming behavior and risks from not knowing his limits. Whether it's just rushing from battlefield to battlefield, or using specific jutsu, it doesn't matter, he hasn't shown much restraint (granted the Kyuubi chakra is amazing), where as in sage mode he shows efficiency. In my opinion, he'll max out both what he can learn and what he can't do in KM, as he's still learning, but he always perfects that which he's learning on the battlefield, and where is he?...Well,...he's in the middle of the 4th Great Ninja War. lol xd, so I guess he's in the right place.

I've already posted my thoughts on Naruto's general thought processing. Here regarding sage mode and Kyuubi mode, these are my current thoughts that evolve each issue and are therefor dynamic. I don't know, I like the way it's being written. Here in this chapter we had KM Naruto working with a sage mode clone, which to me is either a bit of foreshadowing, or just wishful thinking, don't know which of the two... Either way, Naruto is progressing. 569 really served as a nice foundation for the next issue, which should be quite interesting I hope.

Good post....,albeit I'm not sure Psukkar was implying the opposite, so I'll leave that to him to reply.

Edit - off-topic: By the way, anyone else notice how quickly that clone went into sage mode?

Peace

 

[yeahhh]

NAruto is actually a really good strategist, he is just overshadowed by folks like Itachi, Shikamaru etc..I don't consider Sasuke to be a genius because he only learns quickly because of his Sharingan..I have never seen him come up with some strategy to come back and win..he just spams his MS techs etc..

 

[Mino]

every genius have their quirks. just look at Stephen Hawkings. Naruto is like Lee in many ways. A genius of hard work.

 

[KazekageDaichi]

He's smarter than before,but we can't say that he's one of the smartest.He's just the strongest and has a little bit of intelligence,which helps him sometimes.There are a lot of characters that deserve this mention more than him.
Naruto doesn't win because of his brightness,but his power. At least this is as I see it.

 

[JWSoul]

Straight after reading the current chapter. I am amazed how far Naruto has come. I am pretty sure he remember his encounter with Nagato outer path and how he tried to control his through the rod.
Naruto cleverly went in sage mode to detect the KM clone standing outside to locate the rod from the inside and knock it out. If you ask me that Kage level thinking.
Not to even mention his Tajuu Kage bunshin jutsu idea. He was in a very tough position but to have come up with that idea is truly great. Except the fact it's a bit clumsy way of getting himself out.


One more thought propped up on my mind is that. Do you have to been in possession of Rinnengan to preform those evil chakra chains? If yes, I cannot remember Nagato ever resorting to it.

I think he has more battle intelligence and yes in a fight perhaps he is Kage level. But outside of combat no he is certainly no leader yet.

 

[Wind..]

Hes come a long way and he is not only smart but very creative in his thinking

 

[Swizzik]

No he is not a genius everyone seems to forget that he has done the same exact thing before. Remember when Oro's snake swallowed him in the forest of death. If your calling him a genius for imitating what he did when he was in the chunin exams I'm sorry but you fail.

 

[siyo]

Yea, naruto plays his cards smarter in sage mode. I think this mainly because he feels he can do anything in that mode reach wise.

He knows sage mode well now and always delivers well in that mode. I like it this way sage mode is my favourite.

I agree.

Sage mode is relevant, more than ever, and I was especially impressed with how fast Naruto changed between his modes and that can’t help but become handy in the upcoming fights-if they don’t merge them altogether, which would be the ultimate power up..

Part of the problem with Naruto is his role as this carefree guy who is often used for comic relief. That was fine in part one of Naruto but, right now, it intervenes, and jeopardizes the crucial development of his character’s intellect e.g. when he got caught by Nagato (right after he prepared Itachi for Nagato’s techniques…).A moment like that, almost, washes away all of his accomplishments during the Pain fight (or kakuzu for that matter.).How much is Kishi willing to sacrifice for laugh? It’s a fine balance and I think Naruto moved past the point of not thinking things through.

Naruto is not a conventional genius but a genius nonetheless. He’s Minato’s son after all and part of the reason he lacks common sense (sometimes),besides the reason above, is because of his demeanour as a child.He deliberately acted as clown and it resulted in him not learning basic stuff in the academy but, then again, he might have been a completely different person had he listened.

 

[cmilius]

On the battlefield naruto is no less a genius stated by jirairaduring his drug encounter with oro stunade but outside he's just a chunin.
while he's on the battlefied it'll be difficult to beat naruto no exception for any ninja not even the sage himself would be able to do so if naruto wants to fight seriously, the guy has never lost a fight and don't mentioning sasuke won cause naruto could have kill sasuke if he wanted to do so in the final valley but wanted to make a point of scratching sasuke headband cause sasuke said he couldn't.
he never learned when to give up even after a decent beating he still stand up to fight and won them.
naruto fool tobi who is a smart tactician and strategist while left a clone to do a new jutsu frog smash from the inside while tobi has to deal with the real outside and will lose control of them both the beast and naruto together, it's never been a success for anybody to take control of the world and succeed example satan while jesus beat the living hell out of him. and i don't see the way tobi's going to win this war unless kishi make the manga so lame evil never wins at the end.

 

[psukkar]

Haha, actually, I was thinking the exact opposite.

I always thought that Naruto thought his moves through in SM because he knew his limits and didn't want to waste chakra on meaningless stuff. In short, he strategised.

In KM though, it seems like he's high on coffee or something.

IMMA SPAM MAH RASENGAN HERE, IMMA SPAM MAH RASENSHURIKEN THERE, IMMA MAKE 40,000 CLONES N' NOT GIVE A DAMN, YEAH!

For some reason, the above sentence is what I imagine him to be thinking while in KM.

I also meant the same. I think worded it a bit bad.

Because he thinks he can anything in KM due his range with his chakra arms.

Like u said spam this and spam that without have to get close to the enemy like in sage mode. Sage mode has some range too but doesnt appear that big compared to KM. Will see what happens latter, he still needs to combine the two as he foreshadowed this against nagato.

This reminds me of the vegeta and goku both have different strengths when they fused vegeta's calm stregetic mind mellowed goku's more primative approach to fighting. Yeilding a force to be reakoned with. Heaps of crazy things to come.

 

[Spartan117]

Edit - off-topic: By the way, anyone else notice how quickly that clone went into sage mode?

Peace

Yes I noticed that. Either he is getting good at entering sage mode or he has a clone elsewhere gathering energy for him. This is the second time he did this. It is unclear.