Nagato can easily break Tsukuyomi

[Munboy]

In theory, yes. If a Sharingan from a non-Uchiha can provide little resistance to Tsukuyomi, and a Sharingan in a Uchiha that has reached max power can overcome it.

Then it is probable that Nagato can escape it, let me explain. Going by the above, the Mangekyou Sharingan should be able to provide better resistance to Tsukuyomi. Thus the EMS should be able to.
Assumingly the Senju had some resistance too, so if you add Senju and Uchiha and get Rinnegan... it'll be able to resist the Genjutsu. Especially if its a Rikudou - one with Uchiha and Senju DNA - with the Rinnegan.

In Nagato's case he is a Rikudou (the third one), and his eyes are Tobi's. If you want to say Nagato's Rinnegan = Madara's Rinnegan, then he's got the EMS and Sharingan underneath the eye. Which should logically help with resisting the illusion.


Resisting =/= breaking out instantly. Nagato probably can break out a lot easier than someone with the base Sharingan, but it also depends on how far a fight as gone. For example if Nagato is near exhausted and Tsukuyomi is used, then its over.

Though it depends on how Tsukuyomi is used; will it be used to alter his perception of time in the manner Sasuke did with Danzo?

 

[iMicLykTyson]

In theory, yes. If a Sharingan from a non-Uchiha can provide little resistance to Tsukuyomi, and a Sharingan in a Uchiha that has reached max power can overcome it.

Then it is probable that Nagato can escape it, let me explain. Going by the above, the Mangekyou Sharingan should be able to provide better resistance to Tsukuyomi. Thus the EMS should be able to.
Assumingly the Senju had some resistance too, so if you add Senju and Uchiha and get Rinnegan... it'll be able to resist the Genjutsu. Especially if its a Rikudou - one with Uchiha and Senju DNA - with the Rinnegan.

In Nagato's case he is a Rikudou (the third one), and his eyes are Tobi's. If you want to say Nagato's Rinnegan = Madara's Rinnegan, then he's got the EMS and Sharingan underneath the eye. Which should logically help with resisting the illusion.


Resisting =/= breaking out instantly. Nagato probably can break out a lot easier than someone with the base Sharingan, but it also depends on how far a fight as gone. For example if Nagato is near exhausted and Tsukuyomi is used, then its over.

Though it depends on how Tsukuyomi is used; will it be used to alter his perception of time in the manner Sasuke did with Danzo?

Nagato never had the sharingan, he is not an uchiha. he needs the sharingan and he need to be an Uchiha bloodline. he need to have both but he doesn't. but i see what you mean in terms of breaking out easier as oppose to someone like kakashi

 

[Munboy]

Nagato never had the sharingan, he is not an uchiha. he needs the sharingan and he need to be an Uchiha bloodline. he need to have both but he doesn't. but i see what you mean in terms of breaking out easier as oppose to someone like kakashi

:noc:

Nagato is an odd case. While he technically may have had the Sharingan*, he was never aware of it thus couldn't use it. (To my knowledge one stops becoming Uchiha/Senju/whatever when they unify Uchiha and Senju powers to become a Rikudou).

*This is me assuming Nagato got his Rinnegan through a literal transplant.

You're probably right that Nagato never had the Sharingan, because there exists the chance that Nagato was given the Rinnegan through means different to a literal transplant.
Transplant implies underlaid Sharingan, whereas 'other means' implies the direct opposite.

 

[UniversalPain]

I def think that Nagato would know how to break the genjutsu. Itachi is still a big threat because of how methodical he is and the op jutsus he has. He could use izanagi to counter ct and pretty much any technique Nagato would initially use on him imo. When you are pittin two of the most boss a$$ shinobis in Naruto then the outcome is probably gonna be a toss up. Anything can happen between the two.

 

[MorphyRulez]

The rinnegan's visual "prowess" barely surpasses anything..

There is a REASON, tobi Implanted a rinnegan AND a sharingan in his edos..

The sharingan offers things that rinnegan does not... the eye does not have all the features of sharingan...

I come here for this. Tobi didn't implant rinnegan to edo jinchurikis, it's visual sharing like Tendo Peins or Animal Path's summons There's just two piece rinnegan in manga not 12 or much, not counting Edo madara. He just (maybe) implant sharingan to edo jinchurikis.

 

[Cerox0]

Please show me where this has been stated anywhere in the manga/anime/data-book.

Why are you arguing with him? It's the same guy who thinks SM Naruto could Solo the Uchiha bros.

 

[Kurai Phoenix]

Nagato>>>Itachi get over it fanboys.

 

[Ngylle]

So let me see if i get it. nagato the uchiha wanna be have the eyes that are beyong sharingan ems..

Then he got caught in a genjutsu by jiraya and got killed.
so you want me to believe that, nagato can break like nothing itachi's tsukoyomi like nothing. the strongest genjutsu..

Sasuke got caught in tsukoyomi like 4 times.. then broke it.

Danzo had like 10 sharingan and izanagi to break sasuke genjutsu 'izanagi or not'

and you want me to believe that the guy that got killed by a genjutsu will free itachi's signature genjutsu.

the fantusbating thing has no limits.

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[itootchi]

yeah but the frogs used a genjustsu on pain...and Tsukuyomi is a greater genjustsu

 

[Munboy]

yeah but the frogs used a genjustsu on pain...and Tsukuyomi is a greater genjustsu

IIRC both Genjutsu were called the 'strongest'.

Though I wouldn't use that line of logic. The toad Genjutsu and Tsukuyomi are two Genjutsu of a completely different nature. The toads' is auditory, which is notably harder to avoid than visual Genjutsu.

 

[NOemotions]

in power rinnegan is greater than sharingan but it depends on the user just as zetsu said " an expert with a rock could beat a novice with a kunai) In this case itachi has the superior intellect so he wins this one xd

where the h3ll did people get that from?? that itachi is smarter than nagato that is just fanbased bullshit, nagato aint dumb and he has more war experience

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Sigh, According to the databook, and itachi

You need sharingan AND uchiha blood to break Itachi's tsukyomi...

Nagato just has a upgraded sharingan


Just like kakashi, it simply isn't enough

1shot

and your the leader of the official debate

 

[Owarij]

I come here for this. Tobi didn't implant rinnegan to edo jinchurikis, it's visual sharing like Tendo Peins or Animal Path's summons There's just two piece rinnegan in manga not 12 or much, not counting Edo madara. He just (maybe) implant sharingan to edo jinchurikis.

I'm sorry , maybe I should have phrased it better, The implanting wasn't dedicated to the rinnegan..

I meant, There is a reason Tobi implanted sharingan even though each of his edos already had Rinnegan

Whilst i agree nagato > itachi majority of the time, the argument for why nagato can break tsukuyomi is pitiful and goes against manga and databook facts.

Exactly.

In my books, Nagato still >>>>>>>>>>Itachi anyday

but if the argument is, can he break Tsukyomi? then no, he can't , it goes against what was stated in the manga and databook

and your the leader of the official debate

Eh?

 

[Untitled]

It doesnt make a difference if he can or cant break Tsukuyomi,its still Nagato > Itachi and Rinnegan > Sharingan.

Tsukuyomi can easily be avoided.

 

[Owarij]

It doesnt make a difference if he can or cant break Tsukuyomi,its still Nagato > Itachi and Rinnegan > Sharingan.

Tsukuyomi can easily be avoided.

Nothing to do with the debate at hand

 

[Untitled]

Nothing to do with the debate at hand

oh well, :shrug:

:ice:

 

[wellhellothere]

I like Nagato and all, but he cannot break out of it. The manga explictly said that you need a sharingan and the blood of a Uchiha.

 

[shogun973]

Stop assuming, you guys will get embarrassed in college for making arguments like that. if rinnegan is an evolved form, then nagato should sharingan techniques. Thats like saying raichu was raichu before he was pikachu. Itachi handled him I dnt even like itachi.

 

[Seraphiel]

According to the Second Mizukage, genjutsu falls under the category of Yin Release. And we know that Nagato has mastery of all chakra elements.

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To combat the effects of genjutsu, Nagato needs to stop the flow of chakra in his body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's(Itachi) chakra. And we know that Nagato has extremely powerful chakra.

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Also, Nagato must realise that he is under Itachi's genjutsu before attempting to break out of it. This can be done by observing the changes in his own chakra like Karin's chakra-sensing ability. And we know what Nagato is a sensor; he was able to sense Itachi's Amaterasu even before it was fired.

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I know Itachi stated that the only ones with the ability to break Tsukuyomi are those who share the same blood as him, but the manga also states there are other ways of breaking genjutsu. It was stated in the manga, but that was from Itachi's point-of-view.

Maybe he can't break it, but I really don't see why he shouldn't be able to.

 

[GreenV]

Well I never believe that Tsukuyomi can one shot Nagato anyway (Itachi's fanboys can be insane sometime), though I don't think Nagato can easily break Tsukuyomi.