Nagato can easily break Tsukuyomi

[iMicLykTyson]

Nagato was GIVEN the Rinnegan by Madara! How else would Madara have the Rinnegan?What do you think happened? Madara just pooped a pair of Rinnegan eyes out of his butt?

lol U mad bro?
Calm down

 

[Enchanted Champion]

We know the Rinnegan is the best Doujutsu, does that mean he can break all genjutsu even Frog song?

No, sound genjustu is a whole other ball game. You saw what it did to your hero Itachi and Sasuke

 

[Champ]

Don't really know. But he probably planned that. But even if he planned it or not, the other Paths were not affected by it.

The paths Share Vision they didn't say anything about them having Shared hearing, if they did link me a manga page

 

[Pavoneo]

Understand this...Rinnegan is not sharingan...

Sharingan offers certain abilities, Movement prediction , jutsu copying etc..


Rinnegan offers certain abilities...

It has actually never been stated that rinnegan offers any sort of genjutsu eye of insight ever...And even if it did it's still not enough to break tsukyomi SINCE he doesn't have uchiha blood..

Why is uchiha blood needed? Well the uchihas were born with high mental energy , which I believe is what enables them to be able to resist the mental torture..



Uzumaki's don't have that... they have a strong life force... And according to the databook, you can have body made of steel and you'll still fall to Tsukyomi, since it's mental damage

Mmm, my opinion wasn't too strong with to begin with since I don't really know "everything" on the sharingan, rinnegan, etc because I'm not really interested.

Although, you've convinced me :3. Very nice.

Now that I think about it, I think the only thing the Rinnegan does is let you use all five nature transformations. Also using the Paths of Pain and whatnot. Mehh, I could be leaving a few things out but.. I see where you're getting at. The Rinnegan has no capability of countering Tsukuyomi.

 

[Troyg39]

So Itachi says only someone of the same blood can break his Tsukuyomi huh?

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Doesn't look like a Uchiha to me. Everything every character in the manga says isn't true. Unless Tsunade is a low key Uchiha...../discussion

 

[Minator93]

Its Rinnegan, its visual prowess surpasses even the Eternal Mangekyo. There's no way to prove this that Rinnegan is immune to Ocular Genjutsus but there's no way to prove its not either.

I believe Rinnegan >> Any form of EMS and MS.

 

[Owarij]

Its Rinnegan, its visual prowess surpasses even the Eternal Mangekyo. There's no way to prove this that Rinnegan is immune to Ocular Genjutsus but there's no way to prove its not either.

I believe Rinnegan >> Any form of EMS and MS.

The rinnegan's visual "prowess" barely surpasses anything..

There is a REASON, tobi Implanted a rinnegan AND a sharingan in his edos..

The sharingan offers things that rinnegan does not... the eye does not have all the features of sharingan...

 

[HitmanSasuke23]

So Itachi says only someone of the same blood can break his Tsukuyomi huh?

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Doesn't look like a Uchiha to me. Everything every character in the manga says isn't true. Unless Tsunade is a low key Uchiha...../discussion

Itachi had already broken the tsukuyomi that was on Sasuke...Sasuke was just unconscious

 

[Seraphiel]

The rinnegan is a evolved form , but nagato doesn't have the full package, He doesn't have the eyes of the true heir to it...


Madara's rinnegan you can obviously see he unlocked... Not only can he turn it off an on at will, but he is capable of using his ems jutsu etc with the rinnegan....


Rinnegan has its own unique set of abilities, and it won't help Nagato against tsukyomi... He's just as susceptible to Tsukyomi as any other....Kakashi's sharingan , though he was very skilled with it, didn't help him what so ever...because as Itachi said, You need sharingan and uchiha blood to resist tsukyomi and break it.

Note this is Itachi's tsukyomi, not sasuke's

Madara can't use all of his Sharingan techniques with the Rinnegan. When he placed the Fourth Raikage under his genjutsu, he was actually using his Sharingan not Rinnegan. Also, it looks like he can't use some of his Rinnegan techniques while his Susano'o is activated; the multiple times he used his Preta Path, he was actually outside of his Susano'o. This could be some proof that Preta path can indeed absorb Susano'o.

Now, as for what Itachi said - he did say that only another Sharingan user with the same blood(brother, sibling) as him can defeat him(break Tsukuyomi), but I don't believe that he can defeat Nagato with it. Remember that Kakashi doesn't have the body to be able to use his Sharingan properly, and he's weaker than Itachi as well. Nagato having a superior doujutsu and having extremely powerful chakra(body), should allow him to break Tsukuyomi.

Some people confuse breaking out of Tsukuyomi with someone else breaking you out of it; Itachi's Tsukuyomi happens in a instant, but that' only in the real world... which is why it looks like no one can help you to get out of it - Kakashi being the example here. But when you are caught in Tsukuyomi, you can actually fight within that world and allow you to break it - Sasuke being the example here.

To me is more about how much power and skill you have over the person, and since Nagato is more powerful than Itachi and has a superior doujutsu that allows him to master almost every jutsu... I guess he can indeed break out of Tsukuyomi.

 

[Enchanted Champion]

Sigh, According to the databook, and itachi

You need sharingan AND uchiha blood to break Itachi's tsukyomi...

Nagato just has a upgraded sharingan


Just like kakashi, it simply isn't enough

1shot

Then if he knew he could one shot Nagato explain why didnt he just use Tsukuyomi to stop him instead of going through all the trouble to seal him? Plus at the point that Kakashi got owned by Tsukyomi you could argue that Sasuke was much better with sharigan then he was at that point

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

Do you think that Kakashi simply didn't know he was under Tsukuyomi and could have snapped out of it at any time if he wanted to? This thread has laughable logic really, obvious Nagato fanboy is obvious. Other members have already disproved this thread.

 

[Troyg39]

Itachi had already broken the tsukuyomi that was on Sasuke...Sasuke was just unconscious

What about Kakashi....He was just unconscious too i suppose

 

[Owarij]

Then if he knew he could one shot Nagato explain why didnt he just use Tsukuyomi to stop him instead of going through all the trouble to seal him? Plus at the point that Kakashi got owned by Tsukyomi you could argue that Sasuke was much better with sharigan then he was at that point

Many Many Many things wrong with this logic

1) Using a torture genjutsu on a dead person who feels no pain

2) Using a torture genjutsu on a dead person who feels no pain

3) Using a torture genjutsu on a dead person who feels no pain

There are more , but understand that one first

Now, as for what Itachi said - he did say that only another Sharingan user with the same blood(brother, sibling) as him can defeat him(break Tsukuyomi), but I don't believe that he can defeat Nagato with it. Remember that Kakashi doesn't have the body to be able to use his Sharingan properly, and he's weaker than Itachi as well. Nagato having a superior doujutsu and having extremely powerful chakra(body), should allow him to break Tsukuyomi.

Kakashi not having a bother to fully wield sharingan had nothing to do with it... He doesn't have the body to resist mangekyou mental torture... and Nagato doesn't either...

Having more chakra doesn't mean anything.....Nagato is the same as kakashi but just with much more chakra and a better eye... I've already explained that uchiha blood is needed for resisting tsukyomi because Uchihas are born with high mental energy... Senju's , uzumaki's have physical energy.. something that won't help them here..


Breaking Tsukyomi has nothing to do with the BODY per se, It has to do with the MIND...... It's mental torture... And the Mind according to tobi is what uchihas were born better with....

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Then if he knew he could one shot Nagato explain why didnt he just use Tsukuyomi to stop him instead of going through all the trouble to seal him? Plus at the point that Kakashi got owned by Tsukyomi you could argue that Sasuke was much better with sharigan then he was at that point

1st bold: He is edo he would just be wasting time using tsukyomi, it would amount to nothing since he is edo

2nd bold : If u mean sasuke was better at using the sharingan than Kakashi, then no sasuke only had 2-Tomeo i think. Sasuke broke it because he is an Uchiha.

 

[ItachiSan03]

The rinnegan's visual "prowess" barely surpasses anything..

There is a REASON, tobi Implanted a rinnegan AND a sharingan in his edos..

The sharingan offers things that rinnegan does not... the eye does not have all the features of sharingan...

Mmmm ok, sounds right to me

 

[HitmanSasuke23]

What about Kakashi....He was just unconscious too i suppose

After Itachi released the Tsukuyomi on Kakashi he fell to his knees and then a few seconds later he collapsed and was unconscious in the hospital for like 3 days

 

[Enchanted Champion]

Many Many Many things wrong with this logic

1) Using a torture genjutsu on a dead person who feels no pain

2) Using a torture genjutsu on a dead person who feels no pain

3) Using a torture genjutsu on a dead person who feels no pain

There are more , but understand that one first

Ok but from what have seen Tsukuyomi also freezes the person in place after being cast. And from what we've seen genjustu do to edo Itachi it would defenatly work. So it would work on a dead person buddy

 

[Owarij]

Ok but from what have seen Tsukuyomi also freezes the person in place after being cast. And from what we've seen genjustu do to edo Itachi it would defenatly work. So it would work on a dead person buddy

Now you're talking about a paralysis genjutsu? Not itachi's normal 1second torture genjutsu...


4) Nagato was never paying attention to itachi for almost that entire fight..., he was literally more focused on bee and naruto, so much that itachi just came and cut off his hands etc

You can't cast a eye contact genjutsu, if eye contact was not being made

 

[Enchanted Champion]

1st bold: He is edo he would just be wasting time using tsukyomi, it would amount to nothing since he is edo

2nd bold : If u mean sasuke was better at using the sharingan than Kakashi, then no sasuke only had 2-Tomeo i think. Sasuke broke it because he is an Uchiha.

Sorry I ment when Sasuke broke the genjustu in part 2.

Answer me this Uchiha fans. If you guys take every word Itachi says as the bible... Then why wouldn't Itachi stalemate Jirayia like he said in part 1

 

[Helikido]

U must have an uchiha body and at least MS sharingan to brake free.

Itachi was already weak when he trapped sasuke in tsykiyomi. of course he would brake free with c2 and 3 tome. All that was when utachi was weakened.

And Nagota will get swrewed if he uses his shared vision. He would still be able to get trapped.