lol You literally know nothing about bee huh? Nothing you stated is even a problem for bee, or you simply do not know what they're capable of. It's ok though, most itachi "fans" are clueless to other characters that are not main.
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How come Sasuke is in the same tier as Naruto when feats clearly shows otherwise? And since when is there a tier difference between DMS Obito/Kakashi and Sasuke? And what made you think that Ashura and Indra are on par with 1 eye Madara or 8th Gai? The same for Prime Hiruzen being in tier 8 with the likes of Minato.. show the feats then. And war arc SM Naruto got neg blitzed by blind Madara even before he gained Hashi's SM mode..lo'l he should be put below. Also, what is so special about JGaara that he is in tier 8? With the rest i agree.
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Feats show that Naruto is far above Sasuke, that doesn't mean that they can't be in the same tier. Naruto's at the top of that tier and Sasuke is at the bottom.
Cause Sasuke would beat either one, with ease.
Kakashi got a piece of Rikudo's Chakra and his Susanoo grew to a level where it would let him defeat Juubito. Being his sons, Indra and Asura got much more than just a piece, which is what powers their battle avatars (For Indra, Susanoo) so yeah, that's why they are up there.
Prime Hiruzen has no reason to be in the same tier as any Sannin, when Old Hiruzen was stated to be on par with Orochimaru, and that Prime Hiruzen was much stronger than his Old self.
Except he blocked that attack, and the Blind Madara who blitzed him would go in Tier 7 since he has Hashirama's Mokuton and can absorb Ninjutsu and has V3 Susanoo, so no, Naruto isn't moving down.
Jin Gaara has much more chakra than War Arc Gaara due to having a Bijuu, and his Sand was much stronger, and much faster than it is now. He can also manipulate a larger amount, faster than Non Jin Gaara can.
There is a reason, and I've given it. Having the tools to accomplish it means nothing if he can't accomplish it.
They stand at the top of PS, so them at the base is irrelevant as we are only talking about PS here. And using Sound Genjutsu prior to them using PS doesn't mean that he's stronger, it means that he was fast enough to prevent them from bringing out the thing that can stomp him.
No, they don't. Take PS out, and Nagato can only defend from one attack with Shinra Tensei before the next one obliterates him. How is that fighting on par? Or competing? Kabuto can't do anything to PS as his usual tricks (White Rage and Mugen Onsa) aren't going to work due to PS's size and the fact the user is out of reach, and can counter by attacking.
He doesn't outclass Tobirama or Minato. That just lets him not lose due to weakening himself, they can still actively beat him into the ground.
If he doesn't take them with ease, then that doesn't mean they move down, though no, they don't lose to Gaara.
Depends. If Minato has Kunai out of the area, he can warp away. If he doesn't, but has intel, he can warp it away before it grows too large. Same goes for Tobirama.
-Amaterasu was already countered in canon. Not only did B manage to block it with his tentacle, he also showed that by using his Octopus Leg Clone, he can escape it. So that is a counter to Amaterasu right there.
-Totsuka is countered by B fighting long range. If Itachi is too close, B spins around with Bijuu Hachimaki, slaps Itachi's Susanoo away by making physical contact with his tentacles and them fires Bijuu Dama at him, and no, Yata isn't repelling it. Nothing backs that up but obvious hyperbole. And hyperbole isn't an argument. If Itachi somehow gets close and Hachimaki isn't a wise choice, he feints him out with an octopus leg clone.
-A long range fight pretty much means that Tsukuyomi's chances of hitting are small.
-V2 forces Itachi to use a Skeletal Susanoo or above. He did
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in V1. V2 is much stronger. Despite Kisame absorbing most of B's chakra, the attack broke through and blew out his chest. Ribcage gets overpowered and smashed through with no effort whatsoever while V2 can be broken by enough hits from V2 Killer B. So it'd be recommended that he uses a V3 or above.
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Choji and Lee have no business being in the same tier as characters like Sasori, Deidara and Kakuzu. Don't get me wrong their strong but I don't see them giving anyone on their tier besides maybe Sakura, Tsunade and Yamato much difficulty.
What has Sai done to be put on the tier he's at? Hinata and Shikamaru can take him down.
Other than that this list is almost flawless.
What has Sai done to be put on the tier he's at? Hinata and Shikamaru can take him down.
Other than that this list is almost flawless.
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Edo Itachi should be higher; Edo Tensei, in consequence, removes a chief element which restricted Itachi from achieving his potential, ergo the effectiveness of his tactics are significantly improved.
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He can't hang with anyone in Tier 7, except Killer B.
Choji's War Arc feats put him on that level, and Lee has the 6th Gate now.
-They'd beat Base B, Darui, Hiashi, possibly Mei.
I don't see how anyone else who they lose to would beat them with ease. Especially since I'm confident they are a level above most of the people on the tier below.
No, they can't.
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@Bold, since when was sound limited to PS reach or anything on par with its size/height?
PS counter Kabuto is as = to Kabuto countering PS.
Reaching is not the problem here for Kabuto as for 1.) He has a summoning entity that is the same size as PS. 2.) The sound voices has shown to reach PS height, making Mugen Onsa as valid to beat PS.
PS countering will be as difficult to counter Kabuto because
1.) Its Shockwave hitbox is terrible, both Sasuke and Madara proved this
2.) Shockwaves does NOT counter Sound. Way to stop Kabuto is to kill him with the shockwave itself.
1st point: I meant to say is if Onoki swings his jinton around, he creates a circle of destruction. If he swings it 180 degrees, it is a semi circle. Even if he reduces the amount he swings from left to right, he'll never be able to create a triangle of devastation in the environment, just a circular arc.
2nd point: Look at the jinton beam, it is opaque white and much larger than the user. Not only that but it is close to the user's eyes. How does Onoki see Naruto jumping again when he is blinded by jinton?
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Never said it was, the slash is the counter to Mugen Onsa.
The same summoning Entity would get chopped to tiny little pieces by PS as it cuts Mountains with a swing of its blade and without touching it. No proof that Manda II is durable enough to take a direct hit.
PS swings counters Mugen Onsa.
How?
A loud enough noise will overpower the sound and the air pressure generated by the swing of the blade blows the sound waves away, so it easily counters it. Not to mention the swing of the blade would hit him and stop Mugen Onsa anyway, 2 birds with one stone.
Fair enough.
Nah, I meant alone, he cannot counter it. They needed to genjutsu each other.
Well he absorbed an entire v2 Bee, which didn't even damaged him, while it demolished Kisame. He was casually out-speeding Bee, who is probably around v1 Ay levels of speed. Naruto with his full chakra would still fail to counter what occurred in the fight, let alone a CT by himself. Original KCM Naruto that fought Rinne Obito was getting manhandled by a single v2 Biju in CQC. Anyways, full KCM Nardo and Bee still lose to a rejuvenated Nagato, who is in the same tier. Though the creation of a new tier is unlikely, so I'll leave it at that.
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Oh, then yeah.
Because his jutsu works differently than Samehada. It lets him absorb the attack with no damage. Preta grabbed Rasengan and took no damage, then he absorbed it. Same thing here. It just means that Preta Path>Samehada when it comes to absorption.
Nagato never outsped B. He repelled him with Shinra Tensei and Nagato appeared right behind him. He had limited mobility, as stated by Kabuto, and he had his
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to transport him around. There is no way he was moving around on his own, let alone moving faster than B. And Base B isn't on V1 Ay's level of speed. All Nagato did was manhandle a V2 Killer B, repel him, and then when B jumped at him in Base using his swords, he got countered by Asura Path. That's what would happen if they fought with no knowledge. Nagato has no way to actually put down B once he enters full Bijuu Mode, as b can tank CST and can blow up CT before it gets too large. B has a better chance of beating Nagato than Naruto does.KCM Naruto was distracted by B being in trouble,
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If he had clones out, he would have been able to free himself as the chameleon was holding him in place. So no, a battle where Naruto almost died against Nagato, where Naruto didn't use clones, didn't use his speed, and had limited chakra isn't a fair representation on how Nagato vs KCM Naruto would go. The only way he's actually going to defeat Naruto is by using CST and killing him that way. CT gets blown up by multiple FRS or by COFRS before it gets too large, and it should be clear why he counters the rest of his Six Paths Jutsu.As for Obito. Naruto was never getting manhandled by a V2 Jin in CQC. They attacked him together. Not to mention Naruto isn't all CQC, and that was still when he wasn't supposed to use a lot clones in that mode. Put that Jin against him in a one on one fight, and its clear that it'll get stomped. Naruto is faster than Obito, has a Shunshin that Obito can't track with Sharingan and he has clones, which allow him to attack Obito once he solidifies to attack. Obito would probably win in the end though.
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KCM Naruto and KCM Minato have the speed to evade pretty much all of his attacks, especially Minato. Susanoo is never hitting him, neither is Amaterasu. They both have their own method of getting past Susanoo. Minato can warp it away, or he can warp Itachi outside of it, and Naruto has multiple FRS, or COFRS to break through it.
Aside from sealing jutsu, they have him completely beat.
He can't even touch Obito, and Gedo Mazo would break his Susanoo open like a tin can, so he isn't beating Obito either.
Nagato should be a given. Preta Path shuts down all his Ninjutsu, Shared Vision shuts down his Ocular Genjutsu (Don't say that Itachi countered this in canon, because Nagato was focused on B and Naruto while he did this) and Chou Shinra Tensei blows Susanoo apart, or Chibaku Tensei puts Itachi away for good.
Kabuto should definitely be a given since Itachi needed help to put him down in canon.
Aside from sealing jutsu, they have him completely beat.
He can't even touch Obito, and Gedo Mazo would break his Susanoo open like a tin can, so he isn't beating Obito either.
Nagato should be a given. Preta Path shuts down all his Ninjutsu, Shared Vision shuts down his Ocular Genjutsu (Don't say that Itachi countered this in canon, because Nagato was focused on B and Naruto while he did this) and Chou Shinra Tensei blows Susanoo apart, or Chibaku Tensei puts Itachi away for good.
Kabuto should definitely be a given since Itachi needed help to put him down in canon.
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I will break down why its not.
That its true that it can, but in Close quarters that scenario can't happen.
Its terrible because the range it produces waves only comes from the tip of the sword. These waves are only effective by spacing from their opponent. First scan shows this:
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Thats why Hashirama was able to counter the jutsu (other then his method of countering in that scan above) in base form too[
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]. By simply avoiding the shockwaves is stay in range. The sword entity itself is an other thing to which even Hashirama without SM can escape. Kaguya can be use as a visual example[
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]Kabuto speed and reflexes should be able to avoid its hitbox.
Shockwaves sounds is too concentrated to overpower Soundwaves, since Shockwave will move faster then sound
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I can see them taking down Base B and Darui, but not Hiashi and Mei. Hiashi's taijutsu is much stronger than Neji's. His rotation and air palm would counter everything in their arsenal. The only thing that might give Lee the win against Hiashi is the 6th Gate but we don't know how fast he is in it nor what techs he can use while in it. Considering him and Neji were still considered rivals I doubt it's going to make that much of a difference.
As for Mei she can defeat them by using her lava globs, even if they manage to dodge her she can adjust the heat of her mist them like she did against Sasuke.
Why not? Hinata can take out all of Sai's ink beasts with air palm or twin lion fist or 64 palms. Shikamaru has already been shown to counter Sai's ink with his shadow possesion.
