My Tier List.

[blazekev90]

Surprisingly, I don't see anything wrong with this list. Thought I believe Nagato should be one tier higher, it's a pretty good list.

Minato should be on Tier 9, he's too high.

 

[Nattana]

Kabuto vs the Uchiha Bros is an example. They were holding back against Kabuto, yet they still gave him trouble when he had the intel and location advantage. Nagato would take them both out regardless of intel or location. That's why Nagato is above Kabuto. He's a bigger threat to the stronger characters, and he'd perform better than Kabuto does in most fights.

And Kabuto wasn't holding back against them? He was - probably even more than they were.

 

[Apêx1]

1. Not everything is based solely on a VS scenario, though it doesn't change the fact that VS scenarios are taken into account. If most people on one tier mid diff a certain character, then there is no way that I'm going to put that character on their tier.

2. Intel that isn't full always gives someone an advantage. If Kabuto needs an intel advantage and a location advantage to fight on Nagato's level then he obviously isn't on his level. If he was on his level, he would need no kind of advantage to beat him, or fight on his level.

Kabuto vs the Uchiha Bros is an example. They were holding back against Kabuto, yet they still gave him trouble when he had the intel and location advantage. Nagato would take them both out regardless of intel or location. That's why Nagato is above Kabuto. He's a bigger threat to the stronger characters, and he'd perform better than Kabuto does in most fights.

Then again only 2 people mid diff him, due to their TBB abilities. DSM Kabuto takes KCM Nardo, while KCM Nardo cannot take a single person on that list. Either KCM Nardo goes down to tier 8, or SM Kabuto goes to where he could be (or add another list, 7.5 potentially).

Manda 2 along with all the sound 5's and Orochimaru's abilities, followed by sensing and his own arsenal isn't something that gets placed in the same tier as anyone in tier 8, bar Itachi who's arsenal is his probable worst match-up.

Then again they had no counter to his genjutsu, which they were in fact caught in. Nagato is far above anyone in that list though, so I don't see the point. Rejuvenated Nagato was man handling two people of the same tier list, which is my point. Make another tier to squeeze him and Rinnegan Obito with Jin's in, or fix something.

 

[KidGamer65]

Then again only 2 people mid diff him, due to their TBB abilities. DSM Kabuto takes KCM Nardo, while KCM Nardo cannot take a single person on that list. Either KCM Nardo goes down to tier 8, or SM Kabuto goes to where he could be (or add another list, 7.5 potentially).

Naruto beats Kabuto, he beats B, he can push Obito and Nagato to high diff, and he'd lose to Minato mid diff. On the other hand he'd wreck everyone in the tier below, so there is no way he's going to go down to 8.

Kabuto gets mid-high diffed by everyone on that list. Though I suppose Kabuto can hang off the edge of Tier 8.

Then again they had no counter to his genjutsu, which they were in fact caught in. Nagato is far above anyone in that list though, so I don't see the point. Rejuvenated Nagato was man handling two people of the same tier list, which is my point. Make another tier to squeeze him and Rinnegan Obito with Jin's in, or fix something.

Except they did counter it. Lol.

Nagato isn't far above Killer B, Naruto or KCM Minato, and the latter would probably beat him. He beat Base Killer B, and a Naruto who didn't use any of his clones or his Shunshin and he had a limit on his KCM Chakra, and he already split his chakra 13 times to make clones. So that isn't even a feat.

And Kabuto wasn't holding back against them? He was - probably even more than they were.

No, he wasn't. He just didn't want to kill Sasuke. They didn't use the final forms of their Susanoo, that is them holding a lot of power back.

Surprisingly, I don't see anything wrong with this list. Thought I believe Nagato should be one tier higher, it's a pretty good list.

Minato should be on Tier 9, he's too high.

Lol, thanks.

And Nagato isn't moving up, I had an argument with Kifflom a few pages back.

Minato can hang with everyone in that list, and considering you believe that Tobirama stays in that tier, Minato should as well.

 

[Nattana]

No, he wasn't. He just didn't want to kill Sasuke. They didn't use the final forms of their Susanoo, that is them holding a lot of power back.

Just didn't want to kill him? I think it's called holding back. Manda 2 alone would've smacked the shit out of them, not to mention ET zombiez.

 

[KidGamer65]

Just didn't want to kill him? I think it's called holding back. Manda 2 alone would've smacked the shit out of them, not to mention ET zombiez.

No, its called not using any lethal attacks on him. He showed us everything in his arsenal bar summonings, and Manda II would have gotten raped if they called it out. Totsuka would seal it away with ease.

Lol, if you have to go to ET, then there is nothing to discuss since Kabuto's second ranking doesn't take Edo Tensei into account.

 

[Nattana]

No, its called not using any lethal attacks on him. He showed us everything in his arsenal bar summonings, and Manda II would have gotten raped if they called it out. Totsuka would seal it away with ease.

Lol, if you have to go to ET, then there is nothing to discuss since Kabuto's second ranking doesn't take Edo Tensei into account.

Totsuka failed to seal 8branches. It isn't sealing something times bigger. Don't tell me you started to wank it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Totsuka failed to seal 8branches. It isn't sealing something times bigger. Don't tell me you started to wank it.

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Fanfic is strong with that one. Unless Manda II has some special immunity to sealing jutsu, Totsuka locks him away.

 

[LuckyMan]

I missed pages 3-5 but can anyone tell me if something was discussed to put BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke in the same tier. I think its pretty clear Naruto has been stronger than Sasuke as they progressed in their stages during the manga ever since KCM and maybe even SM.

If you are adding feat-less characters like Prime Hiruzen, Ashura/Indra/Hamura then I think Hanzo needs to be in at least tier 8 or 9. He stomped the Sannin in his prime and while many will say the Sannin were younger then, they were still powerful and had all their boss summons and he still stomped them, and even let them live, so I would go as far and say it was probably a low-neg stomp.

Why is Danzo not higher? KA canonically defeats everyone. Though that would also mean Shisui would have to be high up too and hes feat-less but damn man, show Danzo some justice, hes underrated.

Base Ridoku Naruto is featless if your talking about the Naruto we just saw in latest chapter.

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. Hes clearly in SM and has Kurama eyes.

 

[blazekev90]

@kid

I see....it seems you made that decision solely based on PS. That's a debatable argument in itself, on whether or not Nagato can counter such a feat, seeing as he does absorb ninjutsu. We just don't know how he'd go about achieving it, but it IS possible. Therefore, he deserves to sit in a the same tier. Also, Kabuto would be there as well. If PS places Madara and EMS Sasuke a tier above, Kabuto has shown feats that counter Susnaoo, regardless of forms. It's a matter is positioning. Therefore, again, I believe to should be standing alongside those four shinobi, completing the tier.


After looking further into tier 8, I have to disagree with that one completely. Tobimara, Minato and someone else shouldn't be on the same level of others on that tier.

Again, I agree with everything otherwise.

 

[KidGamer65]

I missed pages 3-5 but can anyone tell me if something was discussed to put BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke in the same tier. I think its pretty clear Naruto has been stronger than Sasuke as they progressed in their stages during the manga ever since KCM and maybe even SM.

Being in the same tier doesn't mean that they are on par.

If you are adding feat-less characters like Prime Hiruzen, Ashura/Indra/Hamura then I think Hanzo needs to be in at least tier 8 or 9. He stomped the Sannin in his prime and while many will say the Sannin were younger then, they were still powerful and had all their boss summons and he still stomped them, and even let them live, so I would go as far and say it was probably a low-neg stomp.

Hanzo is in tier 9.

Why is Danzo not higher? KA canonically defeats everyone. Though that would also mean Shisui would have to be high up too and hes feat-less but damn man, show Danzo some justice, hes underrated.

Having a broken one shot technique doesn't make him strong, nor can he hang with people on that level. Any Jin would shit on him since the Bijuu can break KA.

Base Ridoku Naruto is featless if your talking about the Naruto we just saw in latest chapter.

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. Hes clearly in SM and has Kurama eyes.

Yeah, I used to call that Base, so I called it that for this thread. I'll change it.

 

[KidGamer65]

@kid

I see....it seems you made that decision solely based on PS. That's a debatable argument in itself, on whether or not Nagato can counter such a feat, seeing as he does absorb ninjutsu. We just don't know how he'd go about achieving it, but it IS possible. Therefore, he deserves to sit in a the same tier. Also, Kabuto would be there as well. If PS places Madara and EMS Sasuke a tier above, Kabuto has shown feats that counter Susnaoo, regardless of forms. It's a matter is positioning. Therefore, again, I believe to should be standing alongside those four shinobi, completing the tier.

No, he doesn't and absorbing PS is in theory possible, if they stands there and watch him do it. Aside from Preta Path, he can't hurt PS, nor can he damage it, nor can he defend from its sword slashes. PS can kill him with literally 2 swings of its blade. He doesn't belong on that tier cause he can't fight on PS's level once it comes out.

Same goes for Kabuto. Everything he has shown is easily countered by PS, due to sheer size and power.

After looking further into tier 8, I have to disagree with that one completely. Tobimara, Minato and someone else shouldn't be on the same level of others on that tier.

MS Obito?

Pain?

Edo Itachi?

I'm pretty sure that they belong in that tier.

 

[naruto7861]

Itachi should be in tier 7 since he beat Kabuto in weaker state and didt Intent to kill is tier 0 necessary should just put madara along with kaguya and Hogoromo

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi should be in tier 7 since he beat Kabuto in weaker state and didt Intent to kill

Lol? No. Nagato, KCM Minato and KCM Naruto, and Obito would manhandle Itachi. B would take him mid diff, and Kabuto would spank him. He's not going in tier 7, and Edo Itachi>Alive Itachi, don't know what you mean by "weaker state" and he didn't even solo Kabuto.

 

[LuckyMan]

Nii and Yagura (4th Mizukage) needs to be added. They were two jinchuriki who had full control over their tailed beast, therefore they can go full Bijuu Mode and nuke people when they felt like, how Bee can. They should to be added to tier 7 or 8 but since they lack feats outside of that, maybe tier 9 or 10.

 

[Nattana]

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Fanfic is strong with that one. Unless Manda II has some special immunity to sealing jutsu, Totsuka locks him away.

Orochimaru despite being sucked in managed to escape with 3 snakes. If that's the power of the almighty Totsuka, then it could maybe tickle Manda 2.

 

[Rιver]

Lol? No. Nagato, KCM Minato and KCM Naruto, and Obito would manhandle Itachi. B would take him mid diff, and Kabuto would spank him. He's not going in tier 7, and Edo Itachi>Alive Itachi, don't know what you mean by "weaker state" and he didn't even solo Kabuto.

B would actually most likely lose to Itachi.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Orochimaru despite being sucked in managed to escape with 3 snakes. If that's the power of the almighty Totsuka, then it could maybe tickle Manda 2.

A snake falling off of it as it was being sealed doesn't mean that Totsuka failed to seal Eight Branches, nor does it mean that they escaped Totsuka. Not to mention if that were true, that is Orochimaru. There is literally no valid evidence that Totsuka wouldn't seal Manda II away.

B would actually most likely lose to Itachi.​

How?

 

[Rιver]

How?

Because Itachi. Depending on his state though. Alive Itachi most likely beats him due to some advantages. Edo Tensei Itachi definitely beats him. What he still can't counter, is Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi nor Totsuka no Tsurugi. Only does he possess the Bijūdama, which can be repelled with Yata no Kagami. Note: repelled. V2 nor V1 won't help him either, as Itachi can form a Susano'O ribcage to defend against his attacks and possibly a Bunshin to land either Totsuka or Amaterasu. Also, not really bothering with speed as we saw in canon that base B couldn't exactly keep up with Itachi's Shunshin no Jutsu.​

 

[blazekev90]

No, he doesn't and absorbing PS is in theory possible, if they stands there and watch him do it. Aside from Preta Path, he can't hurt PS, nor can he damage it, nor can he defend from its sword slashes. PS can kill him with literally 2 swings of its blade. He doesn't belong on that tier cause he can't fight on PS's level once it comes out.

Same goes for Kabuto. Everything he has shown is easily countered by PS, due to sheer size and power.


MS Obito?

Pain?

Edo Itachi?

I'm pretty sure that they belong in that tier.

It's in theory because there really isn't a reason as to why he can't successfully accomplish it. It's not a matter how difficult it would be to absorb Susnaoo, it's simply a matter of whether or not he has the tools to do so.

Likewise, with Kabuto, you mention size/mass, but as I initially stated positioning is a factor. Madara/Sasuke standing at the base of Susnaoo can still fall to genjutsu. Yes, a swing can counter sound genjutsu, I get that. However, if he were to use genjutsu prior to that, how would they counter?

Overall, all I'm saying is Nagato and Kabuto has the tools to compete against EMS Sasuke and Madara. There are arguments for both parties: blk rods, genjutsu, PS, summonings, etc. Generally, they're on equal fields.


Edo Itachi is no different from sick Itachi IMO, at least his move set remains the same. Therefore, I'll ignore him. Though of we were to differentiate the two, with the stamina boost/availability he outclasses Minato and Tobimara

They both lose to Jinki Garra, regardless of the location.

Pein....CT can arguably end it before it begins.