[VS] Muu, Hiruzen, Tobirama, Minato, Tsunade vs Hashirama

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I really have no idea why people are giving Hashirama SM feats of Madara.​

Because madara reciieved that SM directly from Hashirama and the fact that both of their SM abilities would be exactly similar,,
Hashirama is a long-range fight. His Mokuton techniques are mostly based on long-range, and long-range fighters are weak Taijutsu.
Hashirama is on par with Madara at CQC taijutsu,,,they are both alll round fighters,,
He has medical healing as well. Why do you think he has medical healing? It's for in case being in close range, he would heal himself if he took damage.
Seriously this idealogy is flawed,,,,
Last but not least, he was much beating worse than Madara at their final stand [ ]. Half of his armour is taken off, he has bruises all over his face, and he has burns. Not to mention, the fact his clone was taken out by Madara until he took him out by surprise.
He fought the PS+Kyuubi and WON,,, thats all the needs to be said really
the fact is that Madara lost fair and square despite having the kyuubi,,,

It's been shown and portrayed that Sage mode equals Sharingan in Taijutsu. Hashirama would not have been that badly hurt. So clearly, he doesn't have Madara's reaction feats even with SM.
They both fought each on par with equivalent speed and strength,,madara was panting as well, and the example ur giving was when hashi was at base,, we never saw hashi fought madara at CQC when the former was at SM
furthermore madara was able to react to FTG after getting HASHIRAMAS SM,,, from Hashirama himself,,
they would have the same reaction feats
 

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Because madara reciieved that SM directly from Hashirama and the fact that both of their SM abilities would be exactly similar,,

The power of any technique whether It's Sage mode, Sharingan, Mokuton and so on depends on the user himself and not the origin. Madara displayed better feats.

Hashirama is on par with Madara at CQC taijutsu,,,they are both alll round fighters,,

Scans?

Seriously this idealogy is flawed,,,,

Cause you say so? Lol.

He fought the PS+Kyuubi and WON,,, thats all the needs to be said really
the fact is that Madara lost fair and square despite having the kyuubi,,,

Got nothing to do with my post.

They both fought each on par with equivalent speed and strength,,madara was panting as well, and the example ur giving was when hashi was at base,, we never saw hashi fought madara at CQC when the former was at SM
furthermore madara was able to react to FTG after getting HASHIRAMAS SM,,, from Hashirama himself,,
they would have the same reaction feats

I am still asking for scans of the bold. Madara panted because of Chakra usage. Hashirama panted that and brutally beaten in CQC.
If the underlined is true, Tobirama should have killed Madara a long time ago, since he caught off his opponent's guard.
 

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Fail again. Kabuto implied he could not use Nagato's abilities to their full potential when he was controlling them. The same talisman used on Hokages under Orochimaru's control, and he could not use their skills properly. Nothing to discuss here. Power is not reaction at all. If you do not understand this, then you need to read a dictionary about what power and reactions are. Not to mention, there are no feats of Tobirama's living reactions, so until there is, it's fan-fic.​

Doesn't mean they were weakened. It simply means that their jutsu couldn't be used to their full effectiveness. There don't need to feats of his reactions. Edo Tobirama, not at full power, has already displayed reactions above what his Edo self did in Part 1.


Not interested in the rest of this post as the manga clearly establishes that not being at full power means ALL your statistics take a major hit. Fact. Trying to deny it only makes you look foolish.



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Before you advice others, please go and check your own abilities first. Not only that you showed your lacking at English, but inability to define words. And trying to teach me a lesson? I have a high grade in English.

Virtually - nearly; almost.
synonyms: in effect, effectively, all but, more or less, practically, almost, nearly, close to, approaching, not far from, nearing, verging on, bordering on, well nigh, nigh on, just about, as good as, essentially, in essence, in practical terms, for all practical purposes, to all intents and purposes, in all but name, as near as dammit; roughly, approximately, not quite; plus-minus; informalpretty much, pretty nearly, pretty well


Read the definition before you even post. Madara's words did not have ''virtually', therefore, Madara was unaware of how much power Edo Tobirama had compared to his living counterpart. Last time I am going to say this, TOBIRAMA'S WORDS ABOUT HIS POWER > MADARA'S WORDS ABOUT TOBIRAMA'S POWER.​



Irrelevant and bias, since you're using a different character for your argument. Tobirama knows about his power more than Madara knows, and Tobirama said his Edo Tensie's power is ALMOST same as his living being, whereas Madata didn't know how much power they had.​

Its already a fact that Tobirama can't bring out his true strength as Madara stated. There is no bias here. I've taken into account both statements from both characters. You are disregarding Madara's statement because it disagrees with your argument. Instead of throwing out Madara's statement (Which is the definition of bias) looking at both statements, you can come to the conclusion that they need their original power to bring out their true strength.

- There's a reason why you two brothers can't regain your full power.


That is VIZ right there. Madara knows Tobirama's full power. FACT. Madara states that because they can't regain their full strength, he has the edge. Madara believes that there would be a difference in their performance in they could gain their full power. FACT.

All that means is that whatever they are missing is doing more harm than you think it is.
 

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Also did anyone bother looking at the location i put in the spoiler.. that is the location they are gonna be fighting at..


come on Hashirama is seriously outnumbered here and the quality of the Shinobi's he's up against ....................
I just want to see these good arguments go on.

No clue why the Kage reps are focusing on Tobirama and Minato as the main attackers.. o_O
 

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People saying Hashirama? Really? I mean really?

We have,

1. Two RDS users.
2. Two Hiraishin users with transport speed greater than the speed of light.
3. A Ninjutsu master that knows all jutsus including all of Hashirama's arsenal.
4. Four Hokages who have full info about Hashirama's techniques due to the scrolls.
5. An Invisible flying shinobi with Jinton.
6. A Fuuin Jutsu user who can transfer bijjus in an instant that too with 1-armed hand seals.

With the said restrictions Tobirama, Minato and Hiruzen are more than enough.
 

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hashirama waiting for muu to charge a jiton with ftg is right behind those are pathetic antics you think they would work against hashirama

You're clearly looking at this match with a one track mind.
Its not just about "insert one shot/near op jutsu here" gg.

This team includes, not one, but two FTG users who're both individually much smarter than Hashirama is. Its a very tricky match up.
 

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You're clearly looking at this match with a one track mind.
Its not just about "insert one shot/near op jutsu here" gg.

This team includes, not one, but two FTG users who're both individually much smarter than Hashirama is. Its a very tricky match up.
@bold, are you serious?

- Hashirama led the hokage in the war

- Came up with the plans

- Created techs for a whole new kkg..


I think you have "Smart" confused with being keen.
 

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@bold, are you serious?

- Hashirama led the hokage in the war

- Came up with the plans

- Created techs for a whole new kkg..


I think you have "Smart" confused with being keen.

Smart, keen, intelligent, whatever. I'm referring to battle smarts, the ability to analyse a battle correctly, etc...
I never typed Hashi was dumb, but Tobirama is clearly superior in this departement.

Edit: ... and Minato as well. Forgot about him.
 
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People saying madara and hashirama have the same reactions aew wrong,did madara not plant 6 chakra rods in hashirama's back? How does that make then equals?

OT
muu goes invisible,comes behind hashi and slices his throat
 

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i dnt c why hurizzen minato and tobirama cant hold hashi off for Mu to get his jinton charged by tsunade i mean him and onooki should have around same reserves and when onooki destroyed 26 susannos he was fighting already the day before and was almost out of chakra so a full chakra mu should be way bigger and it doesn't take long ..... to charge hashi does not have a counter for this combo because he may have intel on this team but not tht combo specifically because onooki is not in this fight

id give this to the team mid high diff
 

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Damn Hashirama is mad overrated. Really? I bet Tobirama alone would give his brother a good fight and push him to atleast med diff, considering Tobirama thought he could fade feat Madara. Now you put all these high tier Kage level ninja plus a healer against Hashirama, yet some still expect him to win?
 

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If this is Hiruzen in his prime, by hype he can solo alone. Hashirama is a bit overrated, the other 3 Hokage are very powerful as well
 

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People saying madara and hashirama have the same reactions aew wrong,did madara not plant 6 chakra rods in hashirama's back? How does that make then equals?

OT
muu goes invisible,comes behind hashi and slices his throat
Yet in the end Madara was the one still bound. The rods only worked because of black zetsu...

Smart, keen, intelligent, whatever. I'm referring to battle smarts, the ability to analyse a battle correctly, etc...
I never typed Hashi was dumb, but Tobirama is clearly superior in this departement.

Edit: ... and Minato as well. Forgot about him.
yet all relied on Hashirama for the plan. Its like Naruto and Sasuke.. they are basically the same when it comes to smarts in battle. Sasuke has a bit more experience in combat.
 

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I guess Hashirama wins this.
 

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yet all relied on Hashirama for the plan. Its like Naruto and Sasuke.. they are basically the same when it comes to smarts in battle. Sasuke has a bit more experience in combat.

Because of his abilities... Its not like Hashirama contributed a lot with his brain.
That's not what he's about and its not like he needs to be on Tobirama, Minato or Kakashi's level to be effective.

I don't think that's a good comparison at all.
If anything Hashirama makes contrast with Madara, with him being the 'dumb', but relenteless Senju, and Madara being the prodigy, but arrogant and flawed Uchiha.
Naruto and Sasuke are a direct paralel to this duo (or is it the other way around?) and exhibit the exact same contrast. Sasuke is slightly, but noticeably more intelligent than Naruto, but that's where Naruto's unwavering will comes into play and balances the differences between eachother.
 

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Yet in the end Madara was the one still bound. The rods only worked because of black zetsu...


yet all relied on Hashirama for the plan. Its like Naruto and Sasuke.. they are basically the same when it comes to smarts in battle. Sasuke has a bit more experience in combat.

wood dragons are not physical or cqc attacks,your point is moot. Black zetsu had nothing to do with it.
None relied on hashi's smarts,tobirama called him stupid:|
 
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