MS Sasuke vs Sasori and Deidara.

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Does not make my point irrelevant as we both agree that the next level is not harder then the previous but is added on, on top of the previous layer.

When the hell did I agree to that? Again, if this bullshit was true then V2 Susanoo's layer wouldn't have tanked an attack much stronger than what was destroying V1 Susanoo's layer. The layers get stronger in terms of defense. Period. Manga fact. To disagree means you are disagreeing with manga.

If I agreed with your nonsense, then I'd be agreeing that Ay can crack a Perfect Susanoo since the layer has the same durability as the other layers but its only added on. If I agreed with your nonsense, then it'd only take multiple hits of an attack strong enough to destroy Ribcage to completely destroy PS.

Which is clearly false seeing as PS has tanked Bijuu Dama w/ zero damage yet Ribcage couldn't even tank Ay's fist with zero damage.


Why don't you think that the weight it can gather is not equal to how heavy and powerful onoki made Ay's strikes? I have already shown and displayed that even without the weights Ay has shown to still do lesser damage then with it.
I don't think it cause it wasn't shown. Its as simple as that. You can only show that Iron Sand can do more damage than a non weighted Ay's fist. Not that it can do more than a weighted Ay's fist.


Not entirely since Ay did break his wheels before (when he saw ammy covered) attempting to smash Sussano, and still manage with enough speed force to succeed.
If he stopped then he clearly didn't use speed to smash Susanoo. Again, you aren't even making sense here.

We already got to that point that each level was not shown to be harder then the previous level but add on to , meaning the people who display damaging Sussanoo can still crack or break a layer but doesn't mean it will damage the previous layer. The next layer will soften the blow for previous thus, why Sussanoo is haxs.
False. Everything you said was false and is completely disagreed with by the manga.


Same as above.
You mean this nonsense you posted?


And what is wrong with the assumption that I backed up regarding each of these two moves not encountering each other ever in the manga?
Them not encountering each other in the manga doesn't give you the right to invent power for them. Learn how to debate.

Same as above

Again with the BS?

Not entirely since Ay did break his wheels before (when he saw ammy covered) attempting to smash Sussano, and still manage with enough speed force to succeed."

I also shown scans that he can increase the speed even further. The whole point was speed force in general since the Sand does have back up weight and power.

Ay clearly didn't use speed to get past Susanoo as he stopped before attacking. You are starting to contradict yourself.

Nothing you said shows me that it moves as fast as Ay.


Trust me I you and I can re read my post and you won't see anywhere in my post that I mean anything of bypassing Sussanoo.
Oh?

Stop wanking Sussanoo's durability to underrate Iron Sand. Sussanoo has failed to fully protect itself with powerful blunt force or penetration, therefore with the manga scans I shown and backed up (again), and Sasori's judgment of how much magnetism and Iron Sand he needs to use, it has the same blunt force and speed power to at least crack a layer (meeting you half-way with that conclusion)

L2Read.

That is what I was simplifying the whole time. The Manga says the 3rd's Jiton is able to convert his chakra .Bansho does not pull through magnetic force so that wasn't a good example to get your point out.


(Pretend this is straight)
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I can tell you and this is what happens. "I"=wall/sheath. Magnet "I Screw. If I were to move the Magnet above one sheath on top the Screw will follow up with it depending on how strong the magnet is.



Not to mention that the scabbard is expose too.
Except the scabbard is not made of metal, so again your point?




Yes the same logic that he is able to re use his sepbon spam with Hiruko on the floor and yet magically disappear from the manga. You get where I'm going with this, I hope
Sorry pal. Blaming it on inconsistencies and plot or whatever you are trying to blame it on isn't a valid counter. Try again.


False. I explain this already and how magnets work.
Not really.

False. I explain already on how it works

Again, you haven't done anything. You've only made up a lot of BS.


Read my post again:

"He also can use the same move Gaara did to Madara but with a different method. Once he gathers Sand on Susanoo, to whole down, he can use the magnetic priorities on Sasuke's sword to push him forward (due to Sasuke leaving it on his back ). With that said Sasuke can push Sasuke out by

Repeating the same nonsense over and over again isn't helping your argument.

-Sasuke isn't going to be pushed outside of Susanoo as the metallic part of his sword is not exposed.
-The scabbard is no issue as it is clearly made of what the sheathe is made of. Not metal.
-By your logic Iron Sand would have constantly attracted Sakura towards it as she had metallic weapons on her person. But it didn't.

Again. You make no sense.





3rd Kazekage can convert his chakra into magnetic force. By adding more chakra is making the magnetic field stronger. Magnets can still attract things even if there is a "wall" behind something. Thats how it works. Not the to mention that the scabbard is still expose regardless.

Read above.

But we weren't talking about that at all so why go off topic.
We weren't talking about Susanoo's durability? Lmao..L2Read.

Madara's is better in every way.

"instead of the manga showing its has the same strength, with more layer regardless."

Its not really important so it doesn't matter.


You need to quote me more often so there will not be any conflict and name calling in a discussion, when there needs to be some type of understanding.

As for the quote we were talking about the Durability of Sussanoo encountering Iron Sand.

Strength: the quality or state of being strong, in particular. The sentence still makes sense in particular when I said strength of sussanoo because look at the comma right after: "with more layer regardless." The sentence only makes sense when talking about the durability of Sussanoo.

Ok and? I already know that you were referring to Susanoo's durability, main reason why this post is a fail.
 

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Tolerance level: Very low.

I guess I just have some quotes to laugh at in the near future.


I would like to face a rational debater, Sasori (Me) vs MS Sasuke (You) whos up for it
 

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Just as I predicted.

-No rebuttal.
-Proceeds to bitch instead.
 

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^ Are you actually suggesting that Iron Sand is quick enough to counter arrow or Amaterasu? You cannot be serious.

Gaara's sand was. Why can't Iron sand?
 

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Uh yeah he did in kage summit arc ill show a scan when I get home of you don't believe me
he blocked an enton attack.In the viz translation sasuke commented on Gaara's sand that was able to block his enton attackYou could see the enton flame above sasuke's head for crying out loud.
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he blocked an enton attack.In the viz translation sasuke commented on Gaara's sand that was able to block his enton attackYou could see the enton flame above sasuke's head for crying out loud.
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They said Iron Sand would block an enton arrow anyway's ...
 

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They said Iron Sand would block an enton arrow anyway's ...

Isn't reacting to amamterasu sasuke wins KG ended this thread.deidara can't get by Susano'o V3(he'll die fast anyway) and sasori is gonna what exactly? hide behind his sand? i won't go on since KG probably said it all.
 

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Isn't reacting to amamterasu sasuke wins KG ended this thread.deidara can't get by Susano'o V3(he'll die fast anyway) and sasori is gonna what exactly? hide behind his sand? i won't go on since KG probably said it all.

Alright but even thought MS's stamina is underrated, how long do you actually think he can hold up anything over v2

And C4 would get past it...if it were anyone but Sasuke
 

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Alright but even thought MS's stamina is underrated, how long do you actually think he can hold up anything over v2.

This is healthy sasuke without the eye strain.He can keep it up longer than sasori and deidara will live that's a fact.The battle won't last long so the 'how long he can do...(insert ms moves)' is pointless.
 

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This is healthy sasuke without the eye strain.He can keep it up longer than sasori and deidara will live that's a fact.The battle won't last long so the 'how long he can do...(insert ms moves)' is pointless.

Lol Except Sasori can hold up Iron Sand, longer then Sasuke can use certain MS moves,

And he can do it quicker then an Enton Arrow really,

Already know they lose but its Obv not going to be Enton Arrow GG

1. because we all know Sasuke doesn't start off with V2

2.Because Sasori can block it in time,

If Sasuke starts with Rib Cage susano'o then The Artists can win this
 

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lmao @ Iron Sand gathering fast enough to block an arrow.

lmao @ what level of Susanoo Sasuke starting at having any impact on the outcome of this match up.

lmao @ Sasuke not starting with V2 despite him doing that in every match he's fought in w/ V2 available.
 

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Lol Except Sasori can hold up Iron Sand, longer then Sasuke can use certain MS moves,

And he can do it quicker then an Enton Arrow really,

Already know they lose but its Obv not going to be Enton Arrow GG
Never said that, Sasuke can summon his hawk or Aoba to shoot arrows at different angles.He can literally walk up to sasori only his poison fog will be harmful.And you said that sasuke wins so why reply to me?

1. because we all know Sasuke doesn't start off with V2
V3 is the only one that gives access to arrows.He'll always use V3 Susano'o it has his best projectile.
2.Because Sasori can block it in time,
lol at sand reacting to arrows.
If Sasuke starts with Rib Cage susano'o then The Artists can win this
whatever floats your boat smh
 

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he blocked an enton attack.In the viz translation sasuke commented on Gaara's sand that was able to block his enton attackYou could see the enton flame above sasuke's head for crying out loud.
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That's literally the same thing as amatarasu lol instant flames appearing in an instant gaara was able to block it


Either way sasuke wins this so this doesn't really matter
 

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That's literally the same thing as amatarasu lol instant flames appearing in an instant gaara was able to block it

no it isn't that was an enton attack he never said 'you blocked amaterasu' he said enton.The flame above his head is where the flames fire out from like a projectile.I have the viz right here pal he never said anything about Gaara blocking amaterasu.
 

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lmao @ Iron Sand gathering fast enough to block an arrow.

lmao @ what level of Susanoo Sasuke starting at having any impact on the outcome of this match up.

lmao @ Sasuke not starting with V2 despite him doing that in every match he's fought in w/ V2 available.

Except against Mei, danzo and Ay right :| Pretty sure Kabuto too

Why do you assume his sand has to gather? why can't it block the enton arrow exactly like Gaara's sand did except its much faster

@TJ or MY- I replied because you made it seem like this is a One shot battle, which it clearly is not
 

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Except against Mei, danzo and Ay right :|

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mine is the last one.

Mei = He was already at his limit

Ay = He only unlocked it when Gaara attacked

hahahahahahah

@TJ or MY- I replied because you made it seem like this is a One shot battle, which it clearly is not
Call me TJ its not like i'm getting it back anytime soon.:(
 
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no it isn't that was an enton attack he never said 'you blocked amaterasu' he said enton.The flame above his head is where the flames fire out from like a projectile.I have the viz right here pal he never said anything about Gaara blocking amaterasu.

It still doesn't make much of a difference considering amatarasu is still the same speed so gaara can block it
 

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That's literally the same thing as amatarasu lol instant flames appearing in an instant gaara was able to block it


Either way sasuke wins this so this doesn't really matter

No, they're not. Amaterasu is the actual production of the flames, where it more or less spawns on the enemy, seen and had it not been for Ay's immense reflexes, . Enton is the manipulation of the preexisting flames, therefore it's considerably slower than Amaterasu.
 
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