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Slow Down was the wrong term, but I showed a scan anyway so it doesn't matter.

You said he'd be able to see the attack fired before it was even fired even though Sharingan pre cog only lets him do that when the object he is trying to predict is already in motion..

lol. Can't react to it, can't evade it, can't see it coming. I don't see how he does it but ok then. I'll wait for your counter, lol.


Kakuzu seem's to disagree :cool: and it seems like he was able to see it coming here

And the scan you posted said " i can see his next move right before my eyes" Or something or other
 

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Kakuzu seem's to disagree :cool: and it seems like he was able to see it coming here

And the scan you posted said " i can see his next move right before my eyes" Or something or other

Ok then, you have a point.
 

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Ok then, you have a point.


Gracias,

That Amertarasu counter will be announced soon enough , just gotta see some things first and don't forget that debate i would like too have :devil: Doesn't matter the matchup
 

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Gracias,

That Amertarasu counter will be announced soon enough , just gotta see some things first and don't forget that debate i would like too have :devil: Doesn't matter the matchup

Alright bro, I won't forget.
 

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You haven't really shown shit. You've shown me that Susanoo is humanoid and that it has different layers of armor that make up the different levels. You haven't shown me where it can be clogged up with Iron Sand. You told me it would "nail into the chakra and seep into it" lmfao, that makes absolutely no damn sense. You can't back it up, so now you're acting like a bitch.Susanoo is a completely solid armor with ZERO openings. Meaning there is nowhere the sand can go to clog up its movements. Susanoo layering up only means that there are different layers to the armor, not that there are openings.Then again whenever your argument has been debunked you pull this bullshit so I'm not really surprised.

Again was talking to someone who has some sense. The Iron Sand can clogged up anywhere in Sussanoo, regardless the layer. If Sussanoo were to make four layers of chakra/sheild then using the Iron Sand and will be able to to seep through the first layer/4 or .5 layer/4. This doesn't matter how much since all it needs to do is STICK. It is Sasori's judgement to determine how much speed and iron that needs to be use in this situation (Source):
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As all he needs to do is cover/stab some area's with Sand (most likely via Sussanoo arms), once hit (since your not suppose to block his Jiton) the Iron Sand that has magnetic chakra will now spread to sussanoo for . How does that work? Simple answer fiction. So fiction that you can put a magnetic field to a and also . So by manga fact it works on anything it .

So once again. Sand seeps through layer/sticks and the magnetic force does the rest.

Stop wanking Sussanoo's durability to underrate Iron Sand. Sussanoo has to itself with or , therefore with the manga scans I shown and backed up (again), and Sasori's judgment of how much magnetism and Iron Sand he needs to use, it has the same blunt force and speed power to at least crack a layer (meeting you half-way with that conclusion).

With that said, it has the follow up from what I explained on post #29
 
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Again was talking to someone who has some sense. The Iron Sand can clogged up anywhere in Sussanoo, regardless the layer. If Sussanoo were to make four layers of chakra/sheild then using the Iron Sand and will be able to to seep through the first layer/4 or .5 layer/4. This doesn't matter how much since all it needs to do is STICK. It is Sasori's judgement to determine how much speed and iron that needs to be use in this situation (Source):
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lol? What? Iron Sand doesn't have the offensive capabilities to seep through any layer of Susanoo, period. That's the only way what you are saying is ever possible as its not going to magically seep into the armor.

Please reply again when you have the feats that show Iron Sand being strong enough to pierce or seep into Susanoo then you can reply again. Until then, you are simply spouting BS and using an argument the manga clearly debunks.

As all he needs to do is cover/stab some area's with Sand (most likely via Sussanoo arms), once hit (since your not suppose to block his Jiton) the Iron Sand that has magnetic chakra will now spread to sussanoo for . How does that work? Simple answer fiction. So fiction that you can put a magnetic field to a and also . So by manga fact it works on anything it .

So once again. Sand seeps through layer/sticks and the magnetic force does the rest.

Again, read the manga pal. Susanoo has taken much worse than Iron Sand w/o a scratch, so he really isn't stabbing shit. Again, I asked WHAT your point was when you said Susanoo was going to get magnetized, but I should have forgot you clearly can't read english. You just repeated the same shit over again.

Stop wanking Sussanoo's durability to underrate Iron Sand. Sussanoo has to itself with or , therefore with the manga scans I shown and backed up (again), and Sasori's judgment of how much magnetism and Iron Sand he needs to use, it has the same blunt force and speed power to at least crack a layer (meeting you half-way with that conclusion).

Half of those were scans of the WEAKEST level being broken. Its pretty sad that you have to resort to blatant stupidity since manga doesn't support your arguments. The only scan that has the level of Susanoo Sasuke regularly uses is the scan with Danzo, and Danzo did that with an attack that would shit on all of Sasori's attacks power wise, so again, you make no damn sense and you are just spouting BS as usual. I find this common when people can't deal with the fact Susanoo is extremely durable so they try and undermine its durability by getting scans of the weakest level being cracked, despite their being different levels. Read this page and learn about the technique BEFORE you reply to me again.



But of course, you'll have no rebuttal so you'll come here and cry about how I make no sense. lmao.
 

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lol? What? Iron Sand doesn't have the offensive capabilities to seep through any layer of Susanoo, period. That's the only way what you are saying is ever possible as its not going to magically seep into the armor.

Straw-hat the hell out of my post when I even underline the most important parts regardless of our disagreement of Iron Sand's power breaching Susanoo. I suggest you read my post carefully next time or dont reply to me at all if I have to repeat myself.

Please reply again when you have the feats that show Iron Sand being strong enough to pierce or seep into Susanoo then you can reply again. Until then, you are simply spouting BS and using an argument the manga clearly debunks.

You mean the ones that I already post that shows the Iron Sand's power? You mean the I post showing the weight of the attack, creating a debris, striking across the ground? And the source that I post twice:
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changing its speed priorities by increasing/adding more chakra into that attack so that the Weight(
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+Speed+Amount of Sand to use(by Sasori's judgement)= Enough to make it destructive and meet you half-way and say to at least a itty-bity crack to the outer shell, regarding any attack Susanoo has fail to be unarmed?

Again, read the manga pal. Susanoo has taken much worse than Iron Sand w/o a scratch, so he really isn't stabbing shit.

Except for all the scans that I post regarding destructive force and penetration that you are nitpicking at, where it showed failed, which I will get to in a sec?

Again, I asked WHAT your point was when you said Susanoo was going to get magnetized, but I should have forgot you clearly can't read english. You just repeated the same shit over again.

Except that I already explain it:
Although Iron Sand will not get pass Susanoo, that is not what makes this tech deadly. You are not suppose to block Iron Sand for a certain reason
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With that said Iron Sand can cover up Susanoo's arms rendering it ineffective to attack, due to the magnetic force it can created when hittign Susanoo. He also can use the same move Gaara did to Madara but with a different method. Once he gathers Sand on Susanoo, to whole down, he can use the magnetic priorities on Sasuke's sword to push him forward (due to Sasuke leaving it on his back ). With that said Sasuke can push Sasuke out by .


Half of those were scans of the WEAKEST level being broken. Its pretty sad that you have to resort to blatant stupidity since manga doesn't support your arguments. The only scan that has the level of Susanoo Sasuke regularly uses is the scan with Danzo, and Danzo did that with an attack that would shit on all of Sasori's attacks power wise, so again, you make no damn sense and you are just spouting BS as usual. I find this common when people can't deal with the fact Susanoo is extremely durable so they try and undermine its durability by getting scans of the weakest level being cracked, despite their being different levels. Read this page and learn about the technique BEFORE you reply to me again.



But of course, you'll have no rebuttal so you'll come here and cry about how I make no sense. lmao.

Its pretty sad that you desperately nitpicking every scan regarding it failing. Then claim that "each level of Sussano layer is harder then the previous layers therefore Im wrong".

And if i were to show you this concerning different/stronger forms, I would love to here what you have to say, when this same weight attack didn't do the exact same damage to a .

With that fail saying, how exactly can you prove that each layer is stronger instead of the manga showing its has the same strength, with more layer regardless.
 

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Straw-hat the hell out of my post when I even underline the most important parts regardless of our disagreement of Iron Sand's power breaching Susanoo. I suggest you read my post carefully next time or dont reply to me at all if I have to repeat myself.

Strawman your post? You already stated that Iron Sand is going to damage Susanoo, stab it, and seep in. It need the offensive power to do that and it doesn't have that power. Period. No one strawmanned anything here.


You mean the ones that I already post that shows the Iron Sand's power? You mean the I post showing the weight of the attack, creating a debris, striking across the ground? And the source that I post twice:
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changing its speed priorities by increasing/adding more chakra into that attack so that the Weight(
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+Speed+Amount of Sand to use(by Sasori's judgement)= Enough to make it destructive and meet you half-way and say to at least a itty-bity crack to the outer shell, regarding any attack Susanoo has fail to be unarmed?

All I am seeing is it destroying the ground. That isn't proof he can destroy Susanoo. Learn how to debate moron. Showing random scans of Susanoo getting damaged and random scans of Iron Sand doing damage doesn't mean that Iron Sand can damage Susanoo.

Bold is shit logic as usual. It being damaged doesn't mean that Iron Sand can damage it. Please take your fallacies elsewhere.

Except for all the scans that I post regarding destructive force and penetration that you are nitpicking at, where it showed failed, which I will get to in a sec?
You haven't really shown how it gets past Susanoo. You've only shown me what it can do by posting random scans. Try again pal.

Although Iron Sand will not get pass Susanoo, that is not what makes this tech deadly. You are not suppose to block Iron Sand for a certain reason


With that said Iron Sand can cover up Susanoo's arms rendering it ineffective to attack, due to the magnetic force it can created when hittign Susanoo. He also can use the same move Gaara did to Madara but with a different method. Once he gathers Sand on Susanoo, to whole down, he can use the magnetic priorities on Sasuke's sword to push him forward (due to Sasuke leaving it on his back him). With that said Sasuke can push Sasuke out by force.

All a magnetic force is going to do is going to attract metallic objects towards it. It isn't going to stop Susanoo from moving at all, Iron Sand doesn't have that kind of power. Not to mention you completely assumed Sasuke is going to stand still and let the Iron Sand come at his Susanoo and cover it up.

Not to mention the magnetic force wouldn't affect anything in Susanoo as the outside of Susanoo is the only thing with the Iron Sand on it, as the sand isn't getting inside the Susanoo at all.

The rest of your post is pure BS as usual. How the hell is his sword going to be affected when the metallic part is sheathed? How the hell is he himself going to pushed out of Susanoo when the sword is the metallic object here? The sword would be pulled away him. Also, magnetic forces of Magnet Release ATTRACT things. Even if Susanoo was afflicted with a magnetic field, it would attract the sword to him, not Sasuke himself. Try harder with your fail arguments.

All your posts are filled with conjecture, bs and fail arguments...

Its pretty sad that you desperately nitpicking every scan regarding it failing. Then claim that "each level of Sussano layer is harder then the previous layers therefore Im wrong".
Are you stupid? Are you actually going to contest the different levels of Susanoo being stronger than each other? If you are then you have reached a new level or idiocy.

And if i were to show you this concerning different/stronger forms, I would love to here what you have to say, when this same weight attack didn't do the exact same damage to a .

Figures that you'd get another scan to try and prove yourself right only to fail the end. Look at the clear difference between Madara's Ribcage and before you reply. Madara's is bigger and the bones are thicker, and bigger. Tell me, why the hell would they have the same defensive capabilities? Oh wait, they wouldn't.

With that fail saying, how exactly can you prove that each layer is stronger instead of the manga showing its has the same strength, with more layer regardless.

:leaf: This is why I can't take fanboys seriously? Susanoo all have the same defensive capabilities despite the level? Is this what you are saying? If you are then don't reply again, log off of NB and never read this manga again.

By your logic Ribcage can despite it getting broken by . While V2 tanked the stronger attack with .

I guess Ribcage can tank everything the upper levels can if we go by your logic. Face it. V2 has blocked worse things than some pathetic Iron Sand. It isn't scratching Susanoo or harming it in the slighest.
 

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Sussano arrow on both of them , quickest gg ever
 

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Does Sasori start out with the 3rd Kazekage?
 

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The only way he doesn't get killed in 3 seconds if he starts out with sandaime he dies too quickly from a Susano arrow in hiruko and then its just deidara and we all know what happened before
 

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If he starts out in the Sandaime, the Iron Sand could block Susano'o arrow and Amaterasu. I could see the duo actually taking this.
 

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Strawman your post? You already stated that Iron Sand is going to damage Susanoo, stab it, and seep in. It need the offensive power to do that and it doesn't have that power. Period. No one strawmanned anything here.

Mhmm and yet manage is skip this part when reading:
This doesn't matter how much since all it needs to do is STICK.



All I am seeing is it destroying the ground. That isn't proof he can destroy Susanoo. Learn how to debate moron. Showing random scans of Susanoo getting damaged and random scans of Iron Sand doing damage doesn't mean that Iron Sand can damage Susanoo.

No, what I show was the equivalent between the speed, strength, and force of an attack that was able to break something from Sussanoo. I backed up with scans and DB sources regarding what Iron can display.

Iron Sand can built the weight that was shown to be able to damage Sussano via Onoki's tech (check)
Iron Sand can built speed velocity that was shown to be able to benefit damaging Susano via Raikage (check)
Iron Sand hardness gives the attack strength/power, the same destructive force strength that Raikage's strength can do or Sakura's. (check)
Iron Sand can created any shape that will benefit and help damage something specifically
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Bold is shit logic as usual. It being damaged doesn't mean that Iron Sand can damage it. Please take your fallacies elsewhere.

Except Iron Sand has display everything that I explained above and shown. Please go cry elsewhere.

You haven't really shown how it gets past Susanoo. You've only shown me what it can do by posting random scans. Try again pal.

Except that I never said anything of getting past Susanoo, but use Sasori techs with methods other then breaking it. Try reading again pal.


All a magnetic force is going to do is going to attract metallic objects towards it. It isn't going to stop Susanoo from moving at all, Iron Sand doesn't have that kind of power.

Thats not only what it can do. I will simplify it once again. Have you ever played with Magnets before? If you hold one in each hand, what will happen? It will attach and stick together right? Does your hand have a choice to allow them to not to magnetize? Let me get a better example. If you were in between to Giant magnets, can you simply just open them up and walk out? This is what I am talking about, the Sand will be doing the same thing to Sussano's arms and fingers with the magnetic force. The Sand sticking on its hands or between the fingers will attracting each other/giving it a pull. Mixing Sasori's attacks on something he hits can be under the influence of the magnetic force and thats why this jutsu needs to be dodged. Iron Sand does have that kind of power and I already proved it in all my post so I am not re-posting it.

Not to mention you completely assumed Sasuke is going to stand still and let the Iron Sand come at his Susanoo and cover it up.

I was putting encounter into situation I made no such specific scenarios that Sasuke will stand still. The scans that I post can speak for itself with everything I said and backed up.

Not to mention the magnetic force wouldn't affect anything in Susanoo as the outside of Susanoo is the only thing with the Iron Sand on it, as the sand isn't getting inside the Susanoo at all.

So you are picking, choosing, and switching up my words regarding what I just explained.

The rest of your post is pure BS as usual. How the hell is his sword going to be affected when the metallic part is sheathed?

Apparently you don't understand how magnetic work if you believe a shell is going to stop the attaching

How the hell is he himself going to pushed out of Susanoo when the sword is the metallic object here? The sword would be pulled away him. Also, magnetic forces of Magnet Release ATTRACT things. Even if Susanoo was afflicted with a magnetic field, it would attract the sword to him, not Sasuke himself. Try harder with your fail arguments.

Here you go again as I already broke this down:
He also can use the same move Gaara did to Madara but with a different method. Once he gathers Sand on Susanoo, to whole down, he can use the magnetic priorities on Sasuke's sword to push him forward (due to Sasuke leaving it on his back ). With that said Sasuke can push Sasuke out by .

If you were leave a metal bar behind your back, where it will not move, separate ,loosen, wont go anywhere when you travel/run, and your right next to a Giant magnet what happens to you? The metal bar behind your back will want to attract to its destination. That means your going to be pulled where the metal bar is going.



Are you stupid? Are you actually going to contest the different levels of Susanoo being stronger than each other? If you are then you have reached a new level or idiocy.

Sigh get with the picture dude, aren't we talking about the durability of Susaano?

Figures that you'd get another scan to try and prove yourself right only to fail the end. Look at the clear difference between Madara's Ribcage and before you reply. Madara's is bigger and the bones are thicker, and bigger. Tell me, why the hell would they have the same defensive capabilities? Oh wait, they wouldn't.

Was helping your out, concerning what the requirements were to break Sussanoo. And since Madara is more durable them nothing else needs to be explain concerning Sasuke's

:leaf: This is why I can't take fanboys seriously? Susanoo all have the same defensive capabilities despite the level? Is this what you are saying? If you are then don't reply again, log off of NB and never read this manga again.

By your logic Ribcage can despite it getting broken by . While V2 tanked the stronger attack with .

I guess Ribcage can tank everything the upper levels can if we go by your logic. Face it. V2 has blocked worse things than some pathetic Iron Sand. It isn't scratching Susanoo or harming it in the slighest.

Took my words out of context when we were talking about durability of Sussanoo. Then repeat everything I was explaining with more details, thank you, I dont have to write out much anymore since we both get it now.
 

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Keep the BS rolling in.


Mhmm and yet manage is skip this part when reading:

Its only your fault for saying stick, stab and pierce all in one post. Try sticking with one argument and not multiple arguments pal.




No, what I show was the equivalent between the speed, strength, and force of an attack that was able to break something from Sussanoo. I backed up with scans and DB sources regarding what Iron can display.
Yeah, crack a level 1 Susanoo. That alone makes your whole point irrelevant when I am referring to a level 3 Susanoo. In case you couldn't tell by now. Level 3>>>>>>>>level 1.

Iron Sand can built the weight that was shown to be able to damage Sussano via Onoki's tech (check)
This only shows that Iron Sand can adjust its weight by gathering itself together, it doesn't show that it can make its weight equal to how heavy and powerful Onoki can make Ay's strikes via his jutsu.


Iron Sand can built speed velocity that was shown to be able to benefit damaging Susano via Raikage (check)
This only shows that Iron Sand moves fast, it doesn't show that it can move as fast as Ay so again, comparing the two is pointless.


Iron Sand hardness gives the attack strength/power, the same destructive force strength that Raikage's strength can do or Sakura's. (check)
This is probably the only valid point here. Too bad Ay only cracked a V1 Susanoo, not anything higher, nor can he crack anything higher, so sadly that leaves this a moot point like the rest of your argument.

Iron Sand can created any shape that will benefit and help damage something specifically
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Too bad Iron Sand doesn't have the destructive feats to harm a level 3 Susanoo.


Except Iron Sand has display everything that I explained above and shown. Please go cry elsewhere.
Iron Sand has displayed power on the level of Ay's weighted strikes? No. You only assume that because it can make itself heavier.

Iron Sand has displayed speed on the level of V2 Ay's? No. You only assume that because it can move fast.

Except that I never said anything of getting past Susanoo, but use Sasori techs with methods other then breaking it. Try reading again pal.

Stop wanking Sussanoo's durability to underrate Iron Sand. Sussanoo has failed to fully protect itself with powerful blunt force or penetration, therefore with the manga scans I shown and backed up (again), and Sasori's judgment of how much magnetism and Iron Sand he needs to use, it has the same blunt force and speed power to at least crack a layer (meeting you half-way with that conclusion)

You didn't say it'd get past Susanoo? I can read, I just don't know if you can read or keep track of the shit that comes out of your mouth.


Thats not only what it can do. I will simplify it once again. Have you ever played with Magnets before? If you hold one in each hand, what will happen? It will attach and stick together right? Does your hand have a choice to allow them to not to magnetize? Let me get a better example. If you were in between to Giant magnets, can you simply just open them up and walk out? This is what I am talking about, the Sand will be doing the same thing to Sussano's arms and fingers with the magnetic force. The Sand sticking on its hands or between the fingers will attracting each other/giving it a pull. Mixing Sasori's attacks on something he hits can be under the influence of the magnetic force and thats why this jutsu needs to be dodged. Iron Sand does have that kind of power and I already proved it in all my post so I am not re-posting it.

Holding two magnets in your hand won't cause them to attract each other, unless the magnet itself is exposed to the magnetic force of the of the other magnet. This is like saying Nagato can use Bansho Tennin to attract things to him that are in a whole different room. It makes no sense at all.

Screwdrivers also work as magnets so the screws will stick. Go put some kind of covering, like a sheath over a screwdriver and tell me if it will attract any more screws. It won't. So Sasuke isn't getting pulled on. Period.

By your logic Sakura should have been pulled by the magnetic force of Iron Sand because her Kunai are on her person, despite them being inside a box.



So you are picking, choosing, and switching up my words regarding what I just explained.
Everything I said you said, is what you said. The only twisting their own words and claiming they never said what I can prove they said is you.

Magnetizing the outside of Susanoo will lead to it attracting metallic objects. Sasuke on the inside is not affected at all, nor will any magnetic force pull him, at all.

Apparently you don't understand how magnetic work if you believe a shell is going to stop the attaching
The only who doesn't understand how magnetic forces work is the guy who think that buy magnetizing the outside of the armor Sasuke is in, will cause him to be pushed outside of it.

Here you go again as I already broke this down:

If you were leave a metal bar behind your back, where it will not move, separate ,loosen, wont go anywhere when you travel/run, and your right next to a Giant magnet what happens to you? The metal bar behind your back will want to attract to its destination. That means your going to be pulled where the metal bar is going.

The only way what you say is possible is if the metal part of the sword was exposed to the magnetic force, as its not exposed, nothing you said is happening.


Sigh get with the picture dude, aren't we talking about the durability of Susaano?
That's what I'm referring to. Strength refers to the strength of its defenses. Get with the picture pal.

Was helping your out, concerning what the requirements were to break Sussanoo. And since Madara is more durable them nothing else needs to be explain concerning Sasuke's

Madara's Susanoo being more durable doesn't mean that every level of Sasuke's is the same when it comes to its defensive capabilities.

Took my words out of context when we were talking about durability of Sussanoo. Then repeat everything I was explaining with more details, thank you, I dont have to write out much anymore since we both get it now.


"instead of the manga showing its has the same strength, with more layer regardless."

Nah, I didn't take anything out of context, I simply showed you that you make no damn sense.

Again, V2 has blocked worse than Iron Sand so Iron Sand isn't harming it or any level higher than it in the slightest. Your whole post considers that Sasuke is standing still allowing Sasori to do this when frankly one arrow is all it takes and its over.
 

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Its only your fault for saying stick, stab and pierce all in one post. Try sticking with one argument and not multiple arguments pal.

You brought out two factors proving the negative of what happens between Iron Sand and Sussanoo so I sneaked in 2 factors concerning these two.

Yeah, crack a level 1 Susanoo. That alone makes your whole point irrelevant when I am referring to a level 3 Susanoo. In case you couldn't tell by now. Level 3>>>>>>>>level 1.

Does not make my point irrelevant as we both agree that the next level is not harder then the previous but is added on, on top of the previous layer.

This only shows that Iron Sand can adjust its weight by gathering itself together, it doesn't show that it can make its weight equal to how heavy and powerful Onoki can make Ay's strikes via his jutsu.

Why don't you think that the weight it can gather is not equal to how heavy and powerful onoki made Ay's strikes? I have already shown and displayed that even without the weights Ay has shown to still do lesser damage then with it.


This only shows that Iron Sand moves fast, it doesn't show that it can move as fast as Ay so again, comparing the two is pointless.

Not entirely since Ay did break his wheels before (when he saw ammy covered) attempting to smash Sussano, and still manage with enough speed force to succeed.

This is probably the only valid point here. Too bad Ay only cracked a V1 Susanoo, not anything higher, nor can he crack anything higher, so sadly that leaves this a moot point like the rest of your argument.

We already got to that point that each level was not shown to be harder then the previous level but add on to , meaning the people who display damaging Sussanoo can still crack or break a layer but doesn't mean it will damage the previous layer. The next layer will soften the blow for previous thus, why Sussanoo is haxs.

Too bad Iron Sand doesn't have the destructive feats to harm a level 3 Susanoo.

Same as above.


Iron Sand has displayed power on the level of Ay's weighted strikes? No. You only assume that because it can make itself heavier.

And what is wrong with the assumption that I backed up regarding each of these two moves not encountering each other ever in the manga?

Iron Sand has displayed speed on the level of V2 Ay's? No. You only assume that because it can move fast.

Same as above
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Not entirely since Ay did break his wheels before (when he saw ammy covered) attempting to smash Sussano, and still manage with enough speed force to succeed."

I also shown scans that he can increase the speed even further. The whole point was speed force in general since the Sand does have back up weight and power.

You didn't say it'd get past Susanoo? I can read, I just don't know if you can read or keep track of the shit that comes out of your mouth.

Trust me I you and I can re read my post and you won't see anywhere in my post that I mean anything of bypassing Sussanoo.

Holding two magnets in your hand won't cause them to attract each other, unless the magnet itself is exposed to the magnetic force of the of the other magnet. This is like saying Nagato can use Bansho Tennin to attract things to him that are in a whole different room. It makes no sense at all.

That is what I was simplifying the whole time. The Manga says the 3rd's Jiton is able to convert his chakra .Bansho does not pull through magnetic force so that wasn't a good example to get your point out.

Screwdrivers also work as magnets so the screws will stick. Go put some kind of covering, like a sheath over a screwdriver and tell me if it will attract any more screws. It won't. So Sasuke isn't getting pulled on. Period.
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I can tell you and this is what happens. "I"=wall/sheath. Magnet "I Screw. If I were to move the Magnet above one sheath on top the Screw will follow up with it depending on how strong the magnet is.

Not to mention that the scabbard is expose too.

By your logic Sakura should have been pulled by the magnetic force of Iron Sand because her Kunai are on her person, despite them being inside a box.


Yes the same logic that he is able to re use his sepbon spam with Hiruko on the floor and yet magically disappear from the manga. You get where I'm going with this, I hope


Everything I said you said, is what you said. The only twisting their own words and claiming they never said what I can prove they said is you.

I read this part like 5 times and can not understand. Not like this part is important anyway.

Magnetizing the outside of Susanoo will lead to it attracting metallic objects.

True I just explain that

Sasuke on the inside is not affected at all,

False. I explain this already and how magnets work.

nor will any magnetic force pull him, at all.

False. I explain already on how it works

The only who doesn't understand how magnetic forces work is the guy who think that buy magnetizing the outside of the armor Sasuke is in, will cause him to be pushed outside of it.

Read my post again:

"He also can use the same move Gaara did to Madara but with a different method. Once he gathers Sand on Susanoo, to whole down, he can use the magnetic priorities on Sasuke's sword to push him forward (due to Sasuke leaving it on his back ). With that said Sasuke can push Sasuke out by ."


The only way what you say is possible is if the metal part of the sword was exposed to the magnetic force, as its not exposed, nothing you said is happening.

3rd Kazekage can convert his chakra into magnetic force. By adding more chakra is making the magnetic field stronger. Magnets can still attract things even if there is a "wall" behind something. Thats how it works. Not the to mention that the scabbard is still expose regardless.


That's what I'm referring to. Strength refers to the strength of its defenses. Get with the picture pal.

But we weren't talking about that at all so why go off topic.

Madara's Susanoo being more durable doesn't mean that every level of Sasuke's is the same when it comes to its defensive capabilities.

Madara's is better in every way.

"instead of the manga showing its has the same strength, with more layer regardless."

Nah, I didn't take anything out of context, I simply showed you that you make no damn sense.

You need to quote me more often so there will not be any conflict and name calling in a discussion, when there needs to be some type of understanding.

As for the quote we were talking about the Durability of Sussanoo encountering Iron Sand.

Strength: the quality or state of being strong, in particular. The sentence still makes sense in particular when I said strength of sussanoo because look at the comma right after: "with more layer regardless." The sentence only makes sense when talking about the durability of Sussanoo.
 
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Sasuke takes this with ease. Both of them have no counters to Enton alone. Sasuke can simply fire arrows to take out Deidara and a single Amaterasu would burn down all the puppets. They are not getting past V1 or V2 Susano'o before they are annihilated. Sasuke's Sharingan can easily see Chakra and would detect Sasori's core early on. There is no hiding in puppets happening here. Both of them are defeated with ease.
 

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Sasuke takes this with ease. Both of them have no counters to Enton alone. Sasuke can simply fire arrows to take out Deidara and a single Amaterasu would burn down all the puppets. They are not getting past V1 or V2 Susano'o before they are annihilated. Sasuke's Sharingan can easily see Chakra and would detect Sasori's core early on. There is no hiding in puppets happening here. Both of them are defeated with ease.

Iron Sand > Enton Arrow or Amaterasu. Amaterasu would wear out MS Sasuke. Sasuke won't hold up for that long.
 

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^ Are you actually suggesting that Iron Sand is quick enough to counter arrow or Amaterasu? You cannot be serious.
 
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