MS Sasuke vs Sasori and Deidara.

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Mid diff=Ease. Read.




Its IC for him to start with Susanoo, he started with Susanoo in every match during the Kage Summit, he has intel on the DC of Deidara's bombs so why wouldn't he start off with Susanoo again? Oh wait, cause you don't want himto.

Grasping at straws much?

Pretty sure he started rib cage against Ay and Mei .... wait he did U_U



Yes he does, he still wins mid diff. Kakuzu is no help here.

Kakuzu tanks Those annoying Susano'o arrows with ease, and even if he cant (which i only say this so people don't have a ***** fit because i actually say Domu can tank something more then a ****ing fang :|) a piercing attack is not going to do much good against that unless you think that he's using that before Kakuzu removes his hearts, but even then its only taking out one of them, basically his attributes combined with Sasori's allow a better possibility to out last Sasuke, not underrating His stamina here but come on, its not on either of their levels




So Sasuke is going aim Amaterasu at his chakra strings? Lmao you have to come up with better stuff than this.

What? That means that chakra is flowing to the finger's, meaning if he activates the chakra sensing ability, he won't simply see a glob of chakra in the middle of the body like you have stated in the past, he'll see a reasonably normal chakra system


Both of those are IC things to do for MS Sasuke, who has intel on Deidara. Still grasping at straws.

So Deidara being in the air will let him evade Amaterasu? Lmfao, nope not happening. Deidara being in the air doesn't let him evade Susanoo arrow either so your point?

Oh god, he avoided gaara's sand which i'm pretty sure caught Sasuke's enton ..something or other might of even been the arrow U_U the fact that you think something so linear is going to hit someone who is fast as hell, in the air .... is beyond belief ..As for amertarasu, Deidara's microscope eye piece allows him to see when Sasuke is charging for it and he clearly knows about the MS

He utilized a clone when the moment was right, he has no reason to randomly use a clone to try and evade jutsu he doesn't know about, not like it'll save him from another attack anyway, not like he can even make clones in time for either of those attacks to hit him.

What the? he clearly used it here

When Sasuke was not looking, anywhere else and his sharingan would of been able to notice :| clearly never used it here


You mean the Iron Sand that Sakura and Chiyo dodged? Not to mention it .

That Chiyo's puppets avoided, again try that from a closer range, much harder to dodge,

LOL V2 blocked Kirin, Iron Sand is effortlessly tanked by it. Not debatable.

Correction V2 was obliterated by Kirin :/ and Iron sand Can cause similar damage to Kirin whole place was destroyed, note its size Yes obv Kirin is the stronger attac, im just saying





Next time I'll use the link and not the image then. The bold clearly contradicts what the manga shows. Are you telling me he used a slow attack to block an arrow he couldn't physically react to? He blocked with a slow move despite the arrow being You make no sense.

My sort of point, i mean its obv that amount of tree's could not bloom in an instant had to take more then a second at least, which clearly is enough time to ****ing shift your body to the left my man or right i suppose or even down, go ahead try it :| (perhaps even side step it really ) :/


Danzo and Kakashi weren't able to react physically to it, and the latter has the Hiding like a Mole jutsu. Deidara isn't doing what Kakashi failed to do as in reacting to the arrow with physical movement, nice try but he gets skewered before he even leaves the ground.

Do you honestly think Kakashi could not really of simply jumped to the left :| But whatever, Deidara's hiding like a mole jutsu>Kakashi's clearly, EARTH VILLAGE .. Js

Sasori can remove his core, but the bold isn't happening. An inch? That's why Danzo and Kakashi (Pre Cog) were able to avoid it by moving an inch...oh wait. :|


Because moving an inch would of done nothing for them, they still would of been hit and hurt, wheras Sasori can ....take the brunt of it without any trauma, pain or slowing down really then allowing him to continue fighting or replace his body


Well you are clearly wrong.

Mhmm

Too bad he will never even get on his bird, cause the arrow would kill him in a second. Even if he gets airborne, Amaterasu fries him.

How so? Pretty sure Sasuke was able to avoid Itachi's on the ground .....yes i'm using this as a feat, because if Itachi was so determined to get rid of the CM, he clearly could of just hit him with it, then remove it before Sasuke was seriously burnt, thus forcing the CM2 too help out
back in my noob days so my grammar and Organization were terrible but the concept still stands, not to mention He did hit Sasuke eventually anyway's

Deidara gets one shotted before he ever makes it on his bird, even if he does. Amaterasu fries him.

No he doesn't Sasuke is not going full Susano'o right off the bat ...

Then the puppet body he is in gets destroyed. Once the 3rd Kazekage goes down, Sasori becomes fodder in front of Sasuke and then the latter casually runs through his puppets smashing them with Susanoo until Sasori is left, where he gets brutally murdered.

How would this destroy the third :|



Ok, I'm down for that.

Good


lmao I facepalmed at that, as if Susanoo even has joints

Yaa lml , but the rest of his post was pretty good imo =D
 

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@Ej black .just thought i'd mention that i don't think IS is clogging up Susanoo's joints...just thought id throw that out there

It's an exo-skeleton made up of chakra that moves at the users . I should of used a different term then "clogging".

lmao I facepalmed at that, as if Susanoo even has joints...:leaf:

Same as above but should of use a different word then clogging as clogging needs to be inbetween something. The point still stands that I made when Sussanoo comsumed
 

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Pretty sure he started rib cage against Ay and Mei .... wait he did U_U

Pretty sure he only had ribcage against Ay and didn't unlock V2 until and was .

Oh wait, he did and he was.

Pretty sure he had zero intel on their abilities?

Oh wait, he did have zero intel on their abilities. :|

Kakuzu tanks Those annoying Susano'o arrows with ease, and even if he cant (which i only say this so people don't have a ***** fit because i actually say Domu can tank something more then a ****ing fang :|) a piercing attack is not going to do much good against that unless you think that he's using that before Kakuzu removes his hearts, but even then its only taking out one of them, basically his attributes combined with Sasori's allow a better possibility to out last Sasuke, not underrating His stamina here but come on, its not on either of their levels
Amaterasu ends it. Kakuzu can't avoid it nor can he block it. He has no intel on it and he is not a sensor of any kind.




What? That means that chakra is flowing to the finger's, meaning if he activates the chakra sensing ability, he won't simply see a glob of chakra in the middle of the body like you have stated in the past, he'll see a reasonably normal chakra system
This is nothing but a terrrible assumption. Why would he see a chakra system when Sasori's is completely nonexistent? The only place chakra lies inside his body is where his core is, nowhere else. The rest is chakra strings. Again, why would he aim at chakra strings?


Oh god, he avoided gaara's sand which i'm pretty sure caught Sasuke's enton ..something or other might of even been the arrow U_U the fact that you think something so linear is going to hit someone who is fast as hell, in the air .... is beyond belief ..As for amertarasu, Deidara's microscope eye piece allows him to see when Sasuke is charging for it and he clearly knows about the MS

I meant to refer to Amaterasu the whole time. Susanoo arrow is only taking him out before he gets in the air. Also, knowing about MS=/=Knowing about Amaterasu, when it charges, how long it takes and how it works. Result? He gets fried.



What the? he clearly used it here

When Sasuke was not looking, anywhere else and his sharingan would of been able to notice :| clearly never used it here
Obviously missed the point. He isn't going to start off with clones to evade a jutsu he knows nothing about. It doesn't matter when he used clones in the manga at all.

As if it even matters in the first place, he isn't going to make a clone before arrows hit him, not when Danzo and Kakashi needed quick jutsu with no hand signs to block it.


That Chiyo's puppets avoided, again try that from a closer range, much harder to dodge,
Regardless, Susanoo would easily tank it.

Correction V2 was obliterated by Kirin :/ and Iron sand Can cause similar damage to Kirin whole place was destroyed, note its size Yes obv Kirin is the stronger attac, im just saying

No correction is needed, I never said Kirin was tanked, I said it was blocked. That isn't debatable, unless you are telling me Itachi blocked it on his own.

lol? What? Not even sure if serious. Kirin blew up a . Iron Sand made a giant hole in the sealing of the cave they were in, not even comparable types of damage at all.




My sort of point, i mean its obv that amount of tree's could not bloom in an instant had to take more then a second at least, which clearly is enough time to ****ing shift your body to the left my man or right i suppose or even down, go ahead try it :| (perhaps even side step it really ) :/
This is why I can't take you seriously. Kakashi (Pre Cog) and Danzo couldn't do it so Deidara and Sasori aren't doing it either.

Side step it? Can you stop with the BS, that's why a faster guy with pre cog and better reflexes and speed side stepped it in the manga amirite?


Do you honestly think Kakashi could not really of simply jumped to the left :| But whatever, Deidara's hiding like a mole jutsu>Kakashi's clearly, EARTH VILLAGE .. Js
No, he couldn't cause he didn't, hence him needing Kamui. Not debatable so don't even try it.

Not even sure if serious with this nonsense. Not only is there no proof of the bold, that doesn't mean Deidara can initiate it faster than Kakashi can, as Kakashi is physically faster than him to begin with. Again, you need to come up with something far better than this.


Because moving an inch would of done nothing for them, they still would of been hit and hurt, wheras Sasori can ....take the brunt of it without any trauma, pain or slowing down really then allowing him to continue fighting or replace his body
Exactly, Sasori gets hit and has to switch bodies.


How so? Pretty sure Sasuke was able to avoid Itachi's on the ground .....yes i'm using this as a feat, because if Itachi was so determined to get rid of the CM, he clearly could of just hit him with it, then remove it before Sasuke was seriously burnt, thus forcing the CM2 too help out
back in my noob days so my grammar and Organization were terrible but the concept still stands, not to mention He did hit Sasuke eventually anyway's
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Slap yourself.

Itachi clearly before using it to chase Sasuke as he did not want to kill him. Chasing someone with Amaterasu is not that fast.

Spawing clearly is as to evade Amaterasu. Not debatable. If you aren't at least as fast as him you aren't evading it for a second.

Your thread doesn't even make sense. Burning Sasuke continuosuly won't make Orochimaru come out.

No he doesn't Sasuke is not going full Susano'o right off the bat ...
He has no reason not to when he knows Deidara is a threat in the air. Like I said, stop grasping at straws.

How would this destroy the third :|
He isn't forming a strong enough Iron Sand defense to block a Susanoo arrow before the arrow reaches him and pierces the puppet body. Not to mention Amaterasu would end him.

It's an exo-skeleton made up of chakra that moves at the users . I should of used a different term then "clogging".



Same as above but should of use a different word then clogging as clogging needs to be inbetween something. The point still stands that I made when Sussanoo comsumed

There is NO WHERE the sand can go to clog Susanoo's movements at all. Its not a puppet where there are openings at its joints and limbs. Its solid chakra.

Doesn't even make any sense at all.
 

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Nice debate but clearly kidgamer convinced me more.
 

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There is NO WHERE the sand can go to clog Susanoo's movements at all. Its not a puppet where there are openings at its joints and limbs. Its solid chakra.

Doesn't even make any sense at all.

The soild chakra is forms its shape into a body. Thus why Susanoo has stages to to.

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By increasing the Iron Sand speed it is able to nail the solid chakra. Thus seeping through the chakra, enough to clog (I change my mind the words fits) the parts the Sand has attacks. With the Arms being the most important part of Sussanoo, using enough Iron to clog whatever was seeped, Sussanoo constructive points can be blocked from using the Magnetic force. Then Sasori can use the same thing Gaara did to Madara, to hold it

Edit: Even if you dont believe that, when coming into contact with the Sand automatically magnetizes whatever it
 
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Nice debate but clearly kidgamer convinced me more.

I said they lose, so i agree with KG with mostly everything he stated in that last post except

Amertarasu hitting Deidara in the air, which by the way its not doing if Deidara is already moving in the air, as to force Sasuke to spawn it with extreme precision which he simply is not doing,

Kakuzu being defeated by a mere Amaterasu,
 

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Depends on how Sasuke attacks..Alot of puppets to be fighting.
 

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I said they lose, so i agree with KG with mostly everything he stated in that last post except

Amertarasu hitting Deidara in the air, which by the way its not doing if Deidara is already moving in the air, as to force Sasuke to spawn it with extreme precision which he simply is not doing,

Despite Sharingan allowing him to see what Deidara does before he even does it? Come on now.

Kakuzu being defeated by a mere Amaterasu,

He has no counter so....

The soild chakra is forms its shape into a body. Thus why Susanoo has stages to to.

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It having a humanoid body doesn't mean that its movements can be clogged up with Iron Sand, especially when there is nowhere for the Iron Sand to clog in the first place. By that logic human bodies' movements can be clogged up, and that clearly isn't the case.

By increasing the Iron Sand speed it is able to nail the solid chakra. Thus seeping through the chakra, enough to clog (I change my mind the words fits) the parts the Sand has attacks. With the Arms being the most important part of Sussanoo, using enough Iron to clog whatever was seeped, Sussanoo constructive points can be blocked from using the Magnetic force. Then Sasori can use the same thing Gaara did to Madara, to hold it

Edit: Even if you dont believe that, when coming into contact with the Sand automatically magnetizes whatever it

What is this nonsense? Iron Sand isn't strong enough to get past Susanoo. Period. So the bold isn't happening. This clogging stuff you speak of makes absolutely no sense at all.

Holding down Susanoo? How about he evades it or breaks free. This assumes that Sasuke stands there and lets this happen.

The Sand being able to magnetize Susanoo doesn't even hold any baring here. So mentioning it is pointless.
 

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It having a humanoid body doesn't mean that its movements can be clogged up with Iron Sand, especially when there is nowhere for the Iron Sand to clog in the first place. By that logic human bodies' movements can be clogged up, and that clearly isn't the case.

Having a humanoid body does means that ti can be clogged up with Iron Sand, escpailly when there is places the Iron Sand can clog up in the first place, which I already covered with scans, which I will not repeat on doing. Your "logic" makes no sense at all not is it relevant to materialistic priorities. If I were to break a joint from any part of your body the will not operate well due to its damage. You cannot compare a literal human body them my examples that I have given and backed up.

What is this nonsense? Iron Sand isn't strong enough to get past Susanoo. Period. So the bold isn't happening. This clogging stuff you speak of makes absolutely no sense at all.

Then I will discuss this with someone who has sense regarding my point then to someone who plans on arguing with me circular.

The Sand being able to magnetize Susanoo doesn't even hold any baring here. So mentioning it is pointless.

Says you, regardless of all the points I made that are backed up from manga. Next.

Anyone with sense who wants to discuss with me with an open-mind please do as my basic points start at post 29
 

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What Dafuq is this?????????????????????????????????? Sasori and diedara wins Mid at best! This isnt EMS we're talking about, MS????? The Uchitards get clueless as this site ages it would seem! And they flock together like roaches!
 

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What Dafuq is this?????????????????????????????????? Sasori and diedara wins Mid at best! This isnt EMS we're talking about, MS????? The Uchitards get clueless as this site ages it would seem! And they flock together like roaches!

I am about to get jumped by them so give you input on how they can take this too.
 

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I am about to get jumped by them so give you input on how they can take this too.

Bro do you really need my help? I think you could solo them if you tried with this topic!

1st: Sasuke cannot see through clones, got tricked already! Diedara uses clay and clay clones; that already makes Ama' useless!

When in the air (both) they will keep moving, making it hard for sasuke to focus and shoot ama', As already seen, ama' cannot hit a moving target easily! And with the super speed on diedaras birds and Clay feints it will not be a problem!

Another fact; Sasuke is wide open after every ama' use in MS! Hits one, other kills him! Simple!

Arrows are not a problem from long distance! SO dont even mention them with the speed his birds can produce! And with iron Sand Walls, they are useless! Iron sand defence>>>> anything Susanoo has ever shown (not Madaras) in terms of force! And with 100 puppets swarming nonstop and cloging up the air; if sasuke attempts Ama; it will hit a random puppet, leave him open for counter attack, and another random puppet goes in for the kill all while equipt with a bomb just in case!

Fun fact 2; Ms sasuke cannot keep susanoo up for long, it hurts and uses wayyyyyyy too much chakra! in fact if he tries to use Susanoo and Ama' at the same time susanoo disappears for awhile!

Sasuke leaves himself too wide open with his Ms attacks.. They simple overwhelm him with tactics and assaults! Both are smarter and more experienced. Iron sand plus clay is beastly! And that sasuke's chakra isnt all that spl to be honest!

This is only a rough draft! Dont make me Break the nob in this B!tch!!!!!!
 

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Bro do you really need my help? I think you could solo them if you tried with this topic!

1st: Sasuke cannot see through clones, got tricked already! Diedara uses clay and clay clones; that already makes Ama' useless!

When in the air (both) they will keep moving, making it hard for sasuke to focus and shoot ama', As already seen, ama' cannot hit a moving target easily! And with the super speed on diedaras birds and Clay feints it will not be a problem!

Another fact; Sasuke is wide open after every ama' use in MS! Hits one, other kills him! Simple!

Arrows are not a problem from long distance! SO dont even mention them with the speed his birds can produce! And with iron Sand Walls, they are useless! Iron sand defence>>>> anything Susanoo has ever shown (not Madaras) in terms of force! And with 100 puppets swarming nonstop and cloging up the air; if sasuke attempts Ama; it will hit a random puppet, leave him open for counter attack, and another random puppet goes in for the kill all while equipt with a bomb just in case!

Fun fact 2; Ms sasuke cannot keep susanoo up for long, it hurts and uses wayyyyyyy too much chakra! in fact if he tries to use Susanoo and Ama' at the same time susanoo disappears for awhile!

Sasuke leaves himself too wide open with his Ms attacks.. They simple overwhelm him with tactics and assaults! Both are smarter and more experienced. Iron sand plus clay is beastly! And that sasuke's chakra isnt all that spl to be honest!

This is only a rough draft! Dont make me Break the nob in this B!tch!!!!!!

I covered some of that. Read my post #29 real quick in this thread and give me your thoughts
 

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Having a humanoid body does means that ti can be clogged up with Iron Sand, escpailly when there is places the Iron Sand can clog up in the first place, which I already covered with scans, which I will not repeat on doing. Your "logic" makes no sense at all not is it relevant to materialistic priorities. If I were to break a joint from any part of your body the will not operate well due to its damage. You cannot compare a literal human body them my examples that I have given and backed up.

You haven't really shown shit. You've shown me that Susanoo is humanoid and that it has different layers of armor that make up the different levels. You haven't shown me where it can be clogged up with Iron Sand. You told me it would "nail into the chakra and seep into it" lmfao, that makes absolutely no damn sense. You can't back it up, so now you're acting like a bitch.

Susanoo is a completely solid armor with ZERO openings. Meaning there is nowhere the sand can go to clog up its movements. Susanoo layering up only means that there are different layers to the armor, not that there are openings.

Then again whenever your argument has been debunked you pull this bullshit so I'm not really surprised.
 
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Bro do you really need my help? I think you could solo them if you tried with this topic!

1st: Sasuke cannot see through clones, got tricked already! Diedara uses clay and clay clones; that already makes Ama' useless!

When in the air (both) they will keep moving, making it hard for sasuke to focus and shoot ama', As already seen, ama' cannot hit a moving target easily! And with the super speed on diedaras birds and Clay feints it will not be a problem!

Another fact; Sasuke is wide open after every ama' use in MS! Hits one, other kills him! Simple!

Arrows are not a problem from long distance! SO dont even mention them with the speed his birds can produce! And with iron Sand Walls, they are useless! Iron sand defence>>>> anything Susanoo has ever shown (not Madaras) in terms of force! And with 100 puppets swarming nonstop and cloging up the air; if sasuke attempts Ama; it will hit a random puppet, leave him open for counter attack, and another random puppet goes in for the kill all while equipt with a bomb just in case!

Fun fact 2; Ms sasuke cannot keep susanoo up for long, it hurts and uses wayyyyyyy too much chakra! in fact if he tries to use Susanoo and Ama' at the same time susanoo disappears for awhile!

Sasuke leaves himself too wide open with his Ms attacks.. They simple overwhelm him with tactics and assaults! Both are smarter and more experienced. Iron sand plus clay is beastly! And that sasuke's chakra isnt all that spl to be honest!

This is only a rough draft! Dont make me Break the nob in this B!tch!!!!!!

1. Sasuke won't give Deidara enough time to make a clone considering he already knows his tricks.
2. Deidara isn't fast enough to dodge the amaterasu. He dies horribly as the battle begins.
3. Nope. The Susanoo protects him. So SIMPLE!!!!
4. Like I said before, the Amaterasu oneshots Deidara. After this, Sasuke can use the sharingan to see through Sasori's puppets and find his real body. As soon as he finds it, he can oneshot the puppet with a Susanoo arrow. GG Sasori.
5. Why should he keep it up for a long time? He needs like 5 minutes to deal with those two.
6. They can't. They have no counter to the MS.
 

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Bro do you really need my help? I think you could solo them if you tried with this topic!

1st: Sasuke cannot see through clones, got tricked already! Diedara uses clay and clay clones; that already makes Ama' useless!

Deidara would need to have intel on the ability first. Then he'd need to be able to make a clone before Amaterasu hit. Now tell me, how the hell is he going to know to make a clone despite not having intel, not being a sensor, and not having a level of reactions capable of even evading or reacting to it? Oh wait, he won't so he gets hit. lmao.

When in the air (both) they will keep moving, making it hard for sasuke to focus and shoot ama', As already seen, ama' cannot hit a moving target easily! And with the super speed on diedaras birds and Clay feints it will not be a problem!
What? Please re-read the manga if you believe this shit. Sharingan allows him to see what movements Deidara makes before he makes them as shown in a scan I already posted in this thread, he'll be able to aim at where Deidara is going to go and hit him then.

I also liked you decided to have Deidara get in the air despite Sasuke having the tools to prevent him from doing so and having intel. Deidara would never even leave the ground.

Another fact; Sasuke is wide open after every ama' use in MS! Hits one, other kills him! Simple!
Nice fanfiction you got there. That only happens while using Amaterasu . Not to mention he was still able to so what is the nonsense about him being wide open, oh wait, its pure .

Arrows are not a problem from long distance! SO dont even mention them with the speed his birds can produce! And with iron Sand Walls, they are useless! Iron sand defence>>>> anything Susanoo has ever shown (not Madaras) in terms of force! And with 100 puppets swarming nonstop and cloging up the air; if sasuke attempts Ama; it will hit a random puppet, leave him open for counter attack, and another random puppet goes in for the kill all while equipt with a bomb just in case!
Not necessary. Deidara isn't making it in the air at all so your point?

lol at the Iron Sand wank. The 2nd weakest level of Susanoo blocked Kirin, call me when Iron Sand can even produce something on that scale or block an attack of that level.

Not to mention he isn't gathering together enough sand to properly block the arrow before he gets his puppet skewered.

lmfao, 100 puppets that can't even hurt him due to Susanoo. Susanoo swings its arms and smashes each and every one of those puppets.

Fun fact 2; Ms sasuke cannot keep susanoo up for long, it hurts and uses wayyyyyyy too much chakra! in fact if he tries to use Susanoo and Ama' at the same time susanoo disappears for awhile!
That only happens if he uses Amaterasu while in a level 2 or higher Susanoo. Not a ribcage. lol? He doesn't need to keep Susanoo up for longer than he used it at the Kage Summit.


Amaterasu isn't even needed to take Deidara out on the ground. All he needs to do is fire an arrow at him. lmao, so the strain of using it is completely irrelevant.
 
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Lmao, weren't you just telling me on that other thread Sharingan only slows down the attack ;)


Anway's Kakuzu has a counter, just don't feel like exposing it quite yet
 

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Lmao, weren't you just telling me on that other thread Sharingan only slows down the attack ;)


Anway's Kakuzu has a counter, just don't feel like exposing it quite yet

Slow Down was the wrong term, but I showed a scan anyway so it doesn't matter.

You said he'd be able to see the attack fired before it was even fired even though Sharingan pre cog only lets him do that when the object he is trying to predict is already in motion..

lol. Can't react to it, can't evade it, can't see it coming. I don't see how he does it but ok then. I'll wait for your counter, lol.
 
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