MS Sasuke Uchiha vs. 3rd Raikage

[Strict]

A got hit by a MS Genjutsu and collapsed, waiting for Oonoki to release the Genjutsu. I don't see why the Sandaime should cut a finer figure. What's his counter to even a 3 Tomoe Genjutsu of Sasuke, which made Shee collapse as well? What's his counter to Amaterasu, which he can't get rid of? It won't burn him instantly, but it will burn him nevertheless. What are his counters for powerful Genjutsu and Amaterasu, which Sasuke can both use, to begin with? I don't get why the Sandaime, in a dense forest, has an advantage against a Sharingan user which sees through movements, casts powerful Genjutsu (including illusionary feints) even without eye contact and even without the opponent locating him and can cast Amaterasu? Sasuke can even fly with his hawk.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'll give it to Sasuke now.

And no, Amaterasu is not the main reason. Nor is Genjutsu.

 

[Phonas]

Also, if Sasuke can cast genjutsu at the beginning of battle, the Third's ration armor will turn off which leaves his actual physique vulnerable to an intensified Fire Style which could potentially kill him. Or, maybe, while the Raikage is under an illusion, Sasuke could burn the forest down with his Fire Style jutsus which shifts the location from dense trees to an openly conspicuous area where everyone can see each other so blatantly. By the way, Sasuke's Sharingan grants him the ability to see the chakra signature of the Third, even in a dense forest. Ask Obito and Itachi.

 

[Draegod]

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First thing first! ^^^

Second, Ama is laughed at if it could connect. If anything Now he becomes a flaming weapon that sasuke now has to worry about. Fact one, it couldn't burn through basic fabric and standard meatal (Samurai) even when it was burning for a long period. Aye fought with it no diff, his Father will fight with it no diff and thanks to his armour will be safe from the flames like it is nothing but a breeze! lmao

Next is the false info and misinterpret of the manga that "sasuke kept up or is as fast as Aye"... -____- only retard uchiha fans think this! lmao Sasuke was overwhelmed by V1 Aye and only reason he landed a hit was because Aye decided to do a standard non blitzing Elbow from close range. Sasuke was blitz

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and didn't even know it.

And with Full knowledge He would know the signs Ama' is coming. First sign MS, Second sign Close eyes and Bleed. With that slow ass process (for itachi aswell) he will simply move out of sasukes immediate sight. Giving full knowledge to the raikages is a big plus for them since they know what to expect and prepare for.

Lastly is the retarded notion that He would get caught in Genjutsu just because its a Sharingan user... -_____-... As if he would stare in the eyes, as if 5 kages didn't fight 25 EMS/ETERNAL MANGEKYO SHARINGAN clones(from THE BEST UCHIHA OF ALL TIME who is god levels above sasuke in everything including strategies) and did not once get cuaght in genjutsu until one was distracted and let his guard down out of concern for another member. Madara then had to literally GRAB HIM FORCE HIM TO CLOSE RANGE AND USE GENJUTU!!!

3rd wins this mid at best and that's being nice! Shit is funny to me i swear. And the location doesn't matter that much either.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What's his counter to even a 3 Tomoe Genjutsu of Sasuke

Intel makes him know how to fight a Sharingan user, as to which V1 Ay response[

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What's his counter to Amaterasu, which he can't get rid of?

Intel knows it needs chakra built up from the eye. Raikage can either blitz before it builds up, bleed, and release. Or as someone mention take advantage with the trees.

I don't get why the Sandaime, in a dense forest, has an advantage against a Sharingan user which sees through movements, casts powerful Genjutsu (including illusionary feints) even without eye contact and even without the opponent locating him and can cast Amaterasu?

Because Amaterasu has a chakra built to which, he can be moving away during the time. So Raikage would be running [

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] in between the trees, which the trees get ignited instead of him.

Sasuke can even fly with his hawk.

Keeping himself long range doesn't give Sasuke any advantages, it makes him more vulnerable in fact since no Susanoo in air. Via Black Lightening.

 

[Phonas]

Regarding the "lightning fast" attacks from a Susanoo hand assault argument, Itachi was able to move his Susanoo arm so fast that Orochimaru was stopped mid-sentence while also unable to even react to, let alone see it coming. Mathematically speaking, the movement speed may not have been "lightning fast" but it definitely was under that of a second. Additionally, 6 of the 8 heads of the snakes were sliced within one swing and each synchronously fell to the ground. The velocity of that occurrence is also under that of a second. Plus, Nagato's sensing was unable to sense/react to the speed at which Itachi stabbed him.

 

[Touken]

lmao, Draegod has solo'd.

 

[Phonas]

Oooooooops!

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[Haizaki]

Lmao Draegod you also forget to add how Tsunade was the reason Ay was caught in a genjutsu.

 

[Strict]

Ay said that the Sharingan is no match for him as he is faster than the Sharingan can predict. Just sayin.

And Amaterasu has no built up time, at least not when the user needs to fire it instantly. Sasuke fired it instantly before Kabuto's feet, he fired it instantly at Danzo, he and Itachi fired it instantly against Kidomaru's threads (I won't bother myself posting scans, you know these scenarios).

Ay got a small amount of Amaterasu on his arm, which was largely covered with his massive steel ring. If Sasuke fires his Amaterasu correctly, he hits the Sandaime's full body. Did you forget how Tobi and a Bijuu screamed of pain when being hit by Amaterasu? Amaterasu burns fast when it (or Kishimoto) needs it to burn fast. It burned a huge hole in the toad's stomach instantly, it burned Danzo instantly until he got revived by Izanagi, it even burned fire. When actively used in a fight, it burns fast and effective. And the Samurai got his armour removed directly, just sayin.

Won't even reply to this "he knows Genjutsu, he just avoids eye contact" shit, I bothered myself often enough explaining one and the same thing.

Can't bother myself to reply to the rest, that was a general statement to common misbelief.

 

[lanakui8]

Regarding the "lightning fast" attacks from a Susanoo hand assault argument, Itachi was able to move his Susanoo arm so fast that Orochimaru was stopped mid-sentence while also unable to even react to, let alone see it coming. Mathematically speaking, the movement speed may not have been "lightning fast" but it definitely was under that of a second. Additionally, 6 of the 8 heads of the snakes were sliced within one swing and each synchronously fell to the ground. The velocity of that occurrence is also under that of a second. Plus, Nagato's sensing was unable to sense/react to the speed at which Itachi stabbed him.

Yet Sasuke's skeletal susanoo couldn't even catch Danzou at point blank, and Sasuke couldn't even catch SM Kabuto when Kabuto was practically in the palm of his hand.

Nagato did react to itachi's stab, he just couldn't physically react due to his mobility issues.

 

[Draegod]

Oooooooops!

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Oh shiit Aye was able to Talk a sentence have the train of thought with no knowledge power up his armor.. Then other ninjas who have nothing to do with anything were able to comment aswell before that slow as process of Ama' being used would fire off. lmmfao

You literally just showed that the process and prep time is retarded slow. 3rd would Blitz him from behind the moment he see's MS. Sasuke would then have to use Susanoo and waist Chakra. Because we all know's what Happens to MS users trying to Spam back to back..

 

[Phonas]

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[Haizaki]

Sasuke had to focus chakra to his eye before amaterasu was used. Didn't Nagato sense Amaterasu building up? Doesn't the eye bleed before Ama is used?

 

[Haizaki]

Also Sasuke fought Ay and yet he wasn't hit with a genjutsu like the other opponents he faced. That tells you something.

 

[Strict]

Sasuke had to focus chakra to his eye before amaterasu was used. Didn't Nagato sense Amaterasu building up? Doesn't the eye bleed before Ama is used?

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Here you go. When needed instantly, it is used instantly. And Nagato got hit by it with a smile on his face as well.

You know what? I'm out. I see where this debate's going to go. At least KidGamer (who possesses common sense) agreed. Don't need to agree with the rest.

 

[Touken]

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Here you go. When needed instantly, it is used instantly. And Nagato got hit by it with a smile on his face as well.

You know what? I'm out. I see where this debate's going to go. At least KidGamer (who possesses common sense) agreed. Don't need to agree with the rest.

That's EMS Sasuke though. He suffers no backlash from using MS techs.

 

[Phonas]

Yet Sasuke's skeletal susanoo couldn't even catch Danzou at point blank

In which Izanagi saved his gluteus maximus:

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and Sasuke couldn't even catch SM Kabuto when Kabuto was practically in the palm of his hand.

Scan please. And also, Sasuke was under the mindset of completely avoiding the offense, as instructed by Itachi.

Nagato did react to itachi's stab, he just couldn't physically react due to his mobility issues.

Blatant lies! He would have Shinra Tenseied before the impending Totsuka stab, or an exclamation mark would have been illustrated to show reaction on Nagato's part way before Itachi moved his Totsuka, not afterwards.

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[V h o]

MS Sasuke med-high difficulty. Ama or genjutsu should do it.

 

[Kamui Sama]

. Plus, Nagato's sensing was unable to sense/react to the speed at which Itachi stabbed him.

Kabuto took full control of Nagato, he didn't utilize any sensing. Kabuto was relying on shared rinnegan vision of summons lol