MS Sasuke Uchiha vs. 3rd Raikage

[LuckyMan]

Are you retarded? He literally posted a scan contradicting precisely what you just stated [

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You seem to be the retarded one and not even understand the Sharingans basic abilities (your favorite characters abilities).

"I can see chakra everywhere" He didn't say "I can see snakes everywhere" and obviously those are the snakes that just retreated back into the cave.

Learn the basic of Sharingan abilities.

 

[Rιver]

Getting Sasuke's back will be easy given all the cover he's given in this scenario, making Genjutsu unlikely. What also makes it unlikely is that the Raikage can simply evade the Susanoo hand like he did to FRS or cut it off with One Fingered Nukite depending on the level he's using to grab him.

He isn't faster than Sasuke even in MS. Sasuke kept up with V1 Ei and used even his Sharingan to react to his speed, as well as SM Naruto did to Sandaime. KCM Naruto has the worst precognition out of the three, hence why he stated 'With SM I can sense danger better', and completely trumped Sandaime later. So he won't be evading the hand.

Nukite hand can be restrained, since he has full intel. As you can see, Susano'O's hand is much bigger than human's body even in V1 [

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]. He can also equip his Susano'O with Enton, making it instant win as soon as Sandaime is grabbed. Amaterasu would be joking on him.​

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Enton took Ay's arm i see no reason why it wouldn't do the same to the 3rd

It didn't even burn him tht much it was burning slow as hell 3rd has more durability then Ay so it will burn even slower -/-

3rd wins mid high diff with loss of a limb or 2 but his attack is greater then Ay's so he is going through tht Susanno like butter .. (Ay was able to pierce full Susannos )

 

[Strict]

Ridiculous. The Raikage can't win. Even the SA alliance could keep up with Sandaime's speed, let alone a Sharingan user. So who will caught who off guard, the Raikage or a user of the Sharingan? You know that Sasuke can instantly activate Susanoo, as shown against Danzo? Once it grabs him, he will be completely immobilized and then crushed. He has no counter against Genjutsu as well.

Sasuke's Iatsu Sharingan affected Deidara when he did not even locate Sasuke [

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] (despite Deidara trained his eye and that was explicitly emphasized at this moment). The Iatsu Sharingan used at the Kage Summit against Shee was already strong enough to let Shee collapse (it already let the emotionless Sai fall in the very beginning). In these shown scans, you can replace Sasuke's punch with anything you want, maybe an Amaterasu, or Susanoo punching the Raikage into the ground. Sandaime has no chance. That's it. Dense forest isn't helping, lol.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Raikage wins as people above have stated. The dense forest and intel makes it nigh impossible for Amaterasu to land on him as he can use the trees as cover. Not to mention he has the means to pierce through any Susanoo Sasuke uses.

Bro who was guy in ur old Ava ? From what anime ?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Ridiculous. The Raikage can't win. Even the SA alliance could keep up with Sandaime's speed, let alone a Sharingan user. So who will caught who off guard, the Raikage or a user of the Sharingan? You know that Sasuke can instantly activate Susanoo, as shown against Danzo? Once it grabs him, he will be completely immobilized and then crushed. He has no counter against Genjutsu as well.

Sasuke's Iatsu Sharingan affected Deidara when he did not even locate Sasuke [

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] (despite Deidara trained his eye and that was explicitly emphasized at this moment). The Iatsu Sharingan used at the Kage Summit against Shee was already strong enough to let Shee collapse (it already let the emotionless Sai fall in the very beginning). In these shown scans, you can replace Sasuke's punch with anything you want, maybe an Amaterasu, or Susanoo punching the Raikage into the ground. Sandaime has no chance. That's it. Dense forest isn't helping, lol.

A slow as Susanno is not catching raikage >_>

 

[KidGamer65]

He isn't faster than Sasuke even in MS. Sasuke kept up with V1 Ei and used even his Sharingan to react to his speed, as well as SM Naruto did to Sandaime. KCM Naruto has the worst precognition out of the three, hence why he stated 'With SM I can sense danger better', and completely trumped Sandaime later. So he won't be evading the hand.​

Not how it works. You are talking about Sasuke's movement speed, the topic here is the Susanoo's hand's speed. Not Sasuke's movement speed. How does Sasuke being able to react to the Raikage mean that he can't evade Susanoo's hand? KCM Naruto is the fastest out of the three and still failed to land FRS without using the first two strikes as decoys for the third. So I don't see how the logic you are using works here.

Nukite hand can be restrained, since he has full intel. As you can see, Susano'O's hand is much bigger than human's body even in V1 [

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]. He can also equip his Susano'O with Enton, making it instant win as soon as Sandaime is grabbed. Amaterasu would be joking on him.

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It'll have to grab his arm before it can restrain him, and Nukite's spear at its strongest gives the Raikage a

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. If Susanoo's hand comes at him (again, depending on the level) he'd simply cut off the hand just like

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. And no I'm not making any comparisons here, just giving a visual description.

Hachibi is on another physical level than Susanoo and his tentacles are far bigger than humans, yet the Raikage chopped all his tails off at once with the One Fingered Nukite. Susanoo's hand suffers the same fate.

Bro who was guy in ur old Ava ? From what anime ?

Kagami from Kuroko's Basketball.

 

[Strict]

Susanoo is activated instant as shown in the Manga. Even the Shinobi alliance kept up with his speed.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Bro who was guy in ur old Ava ? From what anime ?

Taiga Kagami, Kuroko no Basuke.

OT : Sasuke can win.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Susanoo is activated instant as shown in the Manga. Even the Shinobi alliance kept up with his speed.

He plowed through alliance and Susanno or not Ay was able ton real full Susannos he is stated to be physically weaker but faster then his dad 3rd still pierces the susanno

 

[KidGamer65]

Susanoo is activated instant as shown in the Manga. Even the Shinobi alliance kept up with his speed.

Its activation is. Doesn't mean it'll instantly grab the Raikage.

 

[LuckyMan]

Susanoo is activated instant as shown in the Manga. Even the Shinobi alliance kept up with his speed.

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I would have to disagree.

 

[Rιver]

Not how it works. You are talking about Sasuke's movement speed, the topic here is the Susanoo's hand's speed. Not Sasuke's movement speed. How does Sasuke being able to react to the Raikage mean that he can't evade Susanoo's hand? KCM Naruto is the fastest out of the three and still failed to land FRS without using the first two strikes as decoys for the third. So I don't see how the logic you are using works here.

Not talking entirely about speed, but also precognition. Sharingan is able to deduce actions from long distance [

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]. From there he can calculate when to grab him. I highly doubt Sasuke does not know how fast his Susano'O can move.

Rasen Shuriken flies and doesn't use KCM Naruto's footspeed as a medium. This is exactly what you just said. Jutsu =/= person in terms of speed. KCM Naruto is undoubtedly the fastest (with Shunshin at least), but has the worst precognition just as I said, hence why he could land the hit.​

It'll have to grab his arm before it can restrain him, and Nukite's spear at its strongest gives the Raikage a

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. If Susanoo's hand comes at him (again, depending on the level) he'd simply cut off the hand just like

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. And no I'm not making any comparisons here, just giving a visual description.

That is, if he lands a hit. We all know he won't [

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]. This was also as long as against Hachibi.​

Hachibi is on another physical level than Susanoo and his tentacles are far bigger than humans, yet the Raikage chopped all his tails off at once with the One Fingered Nukite. Susanoo's hand suffers the same fate.

'Physical level...'? What do you mean? Strength? Speed? Because his tentacles are not quite strong nor fast, and are much bigger than Susano'O's hands. Which ultimately means that it's easier to damage, as well as much weaker. Why would you compare?​

 

[lanakui8]

Ridiculous. The Raikage can't win. Even the SA alliance could keep up with Sandaime's speed, let alone a Sharingan user.

no they couldn't

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naruto even said

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So who will caught who off guard, the Raikage or a user of the Sharingan? You know that Sasuke can instantly activate Susanoo, as shown against Danzo? Once it grabs him, he will be completely immobilized and then crushed. He has no counter against Genjutsu as well.

Did I just read that Sasuke's MS Susanoo is going to grab and then CRUSH the same man who can withstand FRS? Heck, Madara's legged susanoos weren't even able to crush Ei. Susanoo isn't grabbing him considering it

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When SM Kabuto who is physically slower than sandaime can

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to sasuke's blindside attempts at grabbing him, no, Sandaime raikage is not getting grabbed.

Sasuke's Iatsu Sharingan affected Deidara when he did not even locate Sasuke [

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] (despite Deidara trained his eye and that was explicitly emphasized at this moment). The Iatsu Sharingan used at the Kage Summit against Shee was already strong enough to let Shee collapse (it already let the emotionless Sai fall in the very beginning). In these shown scans, you can replace Sasuke's punch with anything you want, maybe an Amaterasu, or Susanoo punching the Raikage into the ground.

That wasn't genjutsu sasuke used on deidara, he merely shed part of the snakes that he had previously grown out of his body. He required a distraction to get shee to look at his eye in order to cast the genjutsu, yet

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when he tried to do the same thing to V1 Ei. Madara himself had to fight Ei for hours with 5 legged susanoos before getting him into a genjutsu with the aid of tsunade distracting Ei. Sasuke is not getting Sandaime raikage with a sharingan genjutsu.

Sandaime has no chance. That's it. Dense forest isn't helping, lol.

Sandaime wins more than not.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not talking entirely about speed, but also precognition. Sharingan is able to deduce actions from long distance [

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]. From there he can calculate when to grab him. I highly doubt Sasuke does not know how fast his Susano'O can move.​

That doesn't always mean he'll get his opponent, otherwise no hit Sasuke threw would ever miss because of Sharingan. If his Susanoo is too slow/Raikage is too fast, then despite his pre cog he won't be able to ensnare him.

Rasen Shuriken flies and doesn't use KCM Naruto's footspeed as a medium. This is exactly what you just said. Jutsu =/= person in terms of speed. KCM Naruto is undoubtedly the fastest (with Shunshin at least), but has the worst precognition just as I said, hence why he could land the hit.

I know, that was my point. Sasuke's foot speed is irrelevant when it comes to how fast his Susanoo can move.

That is, if he lands a hit. We all know he won't [

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]. This was also as long as against Hachibi.​

If Sasuke's Susanoo's hand is lunging at him attempting to grab him, he's going to land a counter attack. That was Naruto evading the Raikage's attack, completely different scenario. His aim was to get away from the Raikage. Your scenario has him going right toward him.

'Physical level...'? What do you mean? Strength? Speed? Because his tentacles are not quite strong nor fast, and are much bigger than Susano'O's hands. Which ultimately means that it's easier to damage, as well as much weaker. Why would you compare?​

I meant strength, and no they are physically powerful. Its 1/9th the power of a combined tail swipe that completely obliterated Madara's V3 Susanoo. His tentacles let him

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a rolling

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, and it allowed him to

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back to where the other Bijuu were.

Susanoo has no strength feats that put it on the level of the Bijuu.

 

[LuckyMan]

'Physical level...'? What do you mean? Strength? Speed? Because his tentacles are not quite strong nor fast, and are much bigger than Susano'O's hands. Which ultimately means that it's easier to damage, as well as much weaker. Why would you compare?​

The fact that his tails (and yang Kurama tails though he has nothing to do with this) were able to protect him from being obliterated by a jubi laserdama, is evidence that they are on another physical level than Susanoo. The thing to note here is that a juubidama was in a laser from and had more concentrated penetrating power yet still failed to harm Gyuki (besides losing one of its tails before KaKakshi warped him) and couldn't destroy a yang half of Kurama. Susanoo would be obliterated by an attack like that.

 

[Strict]

Its activation is. Doesn't mean it'll instantly grab the Raikage.

Susanoo stikes lightning fast [

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]. Didn't Itachi even form Susanoo's hand around Sasuke instantly? :b Let Sasuke do the same with the Sandaime and then grab and crush him. Didn't Sasuke affect Deidara by his Iatsu Sharingan despite Deidara did not even locate him? Didn't the Iatsu Sharingan let the emotionless Sai fall down? Didn't the Iatsu Sharingan at the Kage summit let Shee collapse? Doesn't Sasuke's MS Jutsu let his victims lose consciousness? Can't Sasuke use Amaterasu, against which Ay need his maximum speed, which is >>> his dad's speed? Can't he shot Susanoo arrows which are so fast that Kabuto needed his immense reflexes of Sage Mode to dodge (I speak about the reflexes Naruto used in Sage Mode to precisely dodge Sandaime's attack in close range and hit him with the Rasengan)? Probably he tanks, but what if the arrow is covered in the black flames? How is a dense forest an advantage for the Raikage?

This is ridiculous, Sasuke wins. p.s. it's enough for me to debate with KidGamer, I don't have the desire to debate against 3 persons at once.

 

[Rιver]

That doesn't always mean he'll get his opponent, otherwise no hit Sasuke threw would ever miss because of Sharingan. If his Susanoo is too slow/Raikage is too fast, then despite his pre cog he won't be able to ensnare him.



I know, that was my point. Sasuke's foot speed is irrelevant when it comes to how fast his Susanoo can move.

Shooting a jutsu projectile is different than ensnaring the opponent remotely by yourself. By now, I haven't seen anyone with precognition to dodge Sasuke's attacks after he has matured his Sharingan. So yes, if Sasuke is as least as fast as him as well as has precognition, he would logically have better chances than Sandaime.​

If Sasuke's Susanoo's hand is lunging at him attempting to grab him, he's going to land a counter attack. That was Naruto evading the Raikage's attack, completely different scenario. His aim was to get away from the Raikage. Your scenario has him going right toward him.

'Lunging'? Never said that if I remember correctly. Susano'O can be activated extremely fast [

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]. He can us the same tactic as Naruto had, although using Chidori, dodge him, and grab him. Sandaime has a small opening when he tries to reach his opponent anyway [

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]. After that either Genjutsu paralyzes him or Amaterasu ends it that instant.

There's also the fact that Susano'O has two hands in V2 state. So even if he manages to cut one, the other gets him.​

I meant strength, and no they are physically powerful. Its 1/9th the power of a combined tail swipe that completely obliterated Madara's V3 Susanoo. His tentacles let him

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a rolling

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, and it allowed him to

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back to where the other Bijuu were.

Susanoo has no strength feats that put it on the level of the Bijuu.

Physically powerful, no doubt. But durable? Not. Even if they were, Ei was immobilized by Madara's Susano'O completely. Given that Sandaime isn't physically more powerful, or that significantly, he won't be breaking out with sheer physical force either. Nukite is his only chance.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Susanoo stikes lightning fast [

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]. Didn't Itachi even form Susanoo's hand around Sasuke instantly? :b Let Sasuke do the same with the Sandaime and then grab and crush him. Didn't Sasuke affect Deidara by his Iatsu Sharingan despite Deidara did not even locate him? Didn't the Iatsu Sharingan let the emotionless Sai fall down? Didn't the Iatsu Sharingan at the Kage summit let Shee collapse? Doesn't Sasuke's MS Jutsu let his victims lose consciousness? Can't Sasuke use Amaterasu, against which Ay need his maximum speed, which is >>> his dad's speed? Can't he shot Susanoo arrows which are so fast that Kabuto needed his immense reflexes of Sage Mode to dodge (I speak about the reflexes Naruto used in Sage Mode to precisely dodge Sandaime's attack in close range and hit him with the Rasengan)? Probably he tanks, but what if the arrow is covered in the black flames? How is a dense forest an advantage for the Raikage?

This is ridiculous, Sasuke wins.

Lightning fast is a gross exaggeration. Danzo only got smashed because

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after stabbing Susanoo with a Kunai, only to fail. As Ianakui's post shows, Danzo evaded Susanoo's activation once he had knowledge on the jutsu, and he definitely isn't as fast as the Raikage, so there is no issue there. The term "instantly" is being used way too lightly here. He merely formed it before Kabuto could grab Sasuke, not instantly.

People like C and Sai got knocked out by Genjutsu. Ay got hit by Mangekyo Genjutsu and he was still awake.

And Sasuke can't use Enton Arrows in MS form. His v4 is the only thing that has the Enton Orb and I assumed that it wasn't allowed here since he became blind after using it in the manga. With that he'd win this match.

 

[Phonas]

Amaterasu will extirpate the Third, that's for sure. No, he's not dodging it because his son, who is significantly faster, barely dodged it. Or, Sasuke could cast a paralysis genjutsu that Sandaime will easily get caught in, and in that interval of time of him being in the illusion, Sasuke will follow up with an Amaterasu, which shall result in the Raikage turning into crisp as the latter will indefinitely be engulfed in black scorching flames.

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