Most underrated 3-man trio

[Bogard]

@Prince Charles Sasuke puting Deidara in genjutsu was an asspull since they never made eye contact during that moment. Not only that, but the range of Sharingan genjutsu was never given. Only tsukuyomi's range was, so using a sharingan genjutsu feat to take a comparison with tsukuyomi is ridiculous. Another ridiculous thing is your pic where you draw a seemingly "eye contact" with 2images from different panels. How can you judge it from that angle? Trying to fabricate the manga? The only one doing that here is you, as always

Jiraya defeats Itachi

Ninjutsu

- Self explanatory. Rare are the people capable to compete with Jiraya in the category(high level katons, doton, sealing scrolls, hair offensive and defensive techniques, powerful summons with sennin techniques, and so on)

Genjutsu

While it's true Itachi is greater in the category, Jiraya already managed to counter Itachi's genjutsu in part1. He already knows the pre-requist to counter genjutsu(he is the one who taught it to Naruto, only that Naruto lacked skills back then. Genjutsu is also useless on clone and with his high chakra reserves, using clones are a piece of cake for him. He is also a adept summoning user and thus with the partner method, he is virtually immune to Itachi's genjutsus

In sennin mode, it's even easier since he receives sennin chakra continuously from an external source(Pa and Ma) and thus making the use of genjutsu useless

Also in SM, he has the strongest genjutsu in the manga(databook), so GG

Amaterasu

Due to Itachi's chakra, it takes more time for him to prepare the jutsu, given the opponent some type of awareness when the jutsu is cast. Not only that, but Jiraya can protect himself and even use it as a weapon against Itachi with these following jutsus:

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(protection)
Repulsion

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(Launch it back at Itachi)

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(If prepared)
Like he can use clones, or kawarimi

Taijutsu

Itachi is superior in taijutsu, but it won't do much because of Jiraya's close, mid-long range ninjutsu versatility, his attack-defensive hair and so on. And in SM, he is clearly superior to Itachi with the increased power and speed boast to the point he is capable to reach the floor 20meters a way from him before his sandal touches him while taking his time preparing Chou Odama rasengan before, and with frog katas it's the game ender

Susanoo

It's useless against Yomi Numa since it can't protect from underground, not only that but even the yata mirror is useless against him because he uses senjutsu attacks, which is different from ninjutsu(yata's hype covers ninjutsu only). Frog song would also render Itachi uncapable to maintain Susanoo like Sasuke wasn't against Kabuto(Itachi had a Edo body). Jiraya can also stay far from Itachi to use his long range frog genjutsu, which will ultimately defeat Itachi

Stamina

I think it's pretty clear Jiraya shits on Itachi in the category

Side effects

Itachi can only use his most powerful moves(MS techniques) 3 or 4 times a day while alive when Jiraya can spam his moves without even breaking a sweat

For me Jiraya has this in his bag

 

[Prince Charles]

-sigh-, so you have been talkin crap, without even researching on the character? Pathetic.....

I never stated Gaara won't win in a fight if he was in a desert.... but point of the thread was about overall power, in which Gaara is not on their level.

Tsunade's starting point: all the way on that tree.....

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Finishing point: Madara's chest....and Madara was trying to go back.

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I'll be happy to post the orochimaru and Kabuto scans also if you need em.. but i would expect you to know that fight..

To be fair his automatic sand that reacts to attacks can probably stop tsunade in her tracks.

 

[KingHashirama]

To be fair his automatic sand that reacts to attacks can probably stop tsunade in her tracks.

Possibly, only problem is that, it probably won't be strong enough to restrain her.....

 

[Murasame]

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@Debate between Bogard and Prince.
I want to believe Itachi can beat Jiraiya but you're too good of a debater Bogard.. U_U I might jump in if Prince backs out to test myself against you (._.)

 

[Crossroads]

-sigh-, so you have been talkin crap, without even researching on the character? Pathetic.....

I never stated Gaara won't win in a fight if he was in a desert.... but point of the thread was about overall power, in which Gaara is not on their level.

Tsunade's starting point: all the way on that tree.....

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Finishing point: Madara's chest....and Madara was trying to go back.

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I'll be happy to post the orochimaru and Kabuto scans also if you need em.. but i would expect you to know that fight..

I've read the Manga at least 15 times, I'm well brushed up on my Naruto.

Her "high" level speed wouldn't be considered Shunshin. Shunshin is usually portrayed in the Manga Cause right into effect.
What Tsunade showed in the scan you provided was Cause into process into effect, not Shunshin. For example.. Tsunade's "high" speed movement:

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Naruto's Shunshin:

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All examples of causes right into effects, no Manga scan of Naruto in the process of him moving, like it showed with Tsunade.

Here's another example with Bee's Shunshin, cause right into effect.. no process of the effect showed in the Manga.. this is how Kishimoto shows high level speed in the Manga:

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And no need to show me Kabuto and Orochimaru's speed. Their speed is irrelevant in a fight Vs. Gaara.. they lack fire power to strike his absolute defense and do something about it.

Conclusion: Tsunade isn't as fast as you think she is, you'll see when people like you who can't interpret what Kishimoto writes in the Manga, in the Anime. It helps you understand what you can't in reading the Manga. ^_^

 

[Draphsin]

Damn this thread is getting solod U_U

 

[Bogard]

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@Debate between Bogard and Prince.
I want to believe Itachi can beat Jiraiya but you're too good of a debater Bogard.. U_U I might jump in if Prince backs out to test myself against you (._.)

Thanks. I try my best Waiting for u Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

I've read the Manga at least 15 times, I'm well brushed up on my Naruto.

Her "high" level speed wouldn't be considered Shunshin. Shunshin is usually portrayed in the Manga Cause right into effect.
What Tsunade showed in the scan you provided was Cause into process into effect, not Shunshin. For example.. Tsunade's "high" speed movement:

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Naruto's Shunshin:

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All examples of causes right into effects, no Manga scan of Naruto in the process of him moving, like it showed with Tsunade.

Here's another example with Bee's Shunshin, cause right into effect.. no process of the effect showed in the Manga.. this is how Kishimoto shows high level speed in the Manga:

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And no need to show me Kabuto and Orochimaru's speed. Their speed is irrelevant in a fight Vs. Gaara.. they lack fire power to strike his absolute defense and do something about it.

Conclusion: Tsunade isn't as fast as you think she is, you'll see when people like you who can't interpret what Kishimoto writes in the Manga, in the Anime. It helps you understand what you can't in reading the Manga. ^_^

Only in the Desert is she not able to take Gaara on.....

And also.. how would her punch not be enough? are you claiming gaara's ultimate defense > susanoo? O-o.

she would rip that sand apart.. As for the cause and effect.. where is cause? all we saw was Madara backing up and the only person there close to him was Tsunade.. meaning she was the only one who blitzed.

Also, as I said, she can choose to increase her speed, what part of that do you not understand?

 

[Prince Charles]

@Bogard

Prince Charles Sasuke puting Deidara in genjutsu was an asspull since they never made eye contact during that moment. Not only that, but the range of Sharingan genjutsu was never given. Only tsukuyomi's range was, so using a sharingan genjutsu feat to take a comparison with tsukuyomi is ridiculous. Another ridiculous thing is your pic where you draw a seemingly "eye contact" with 2images from different panels. How can you judge it from that angle? Trying to fabricate the manga? The only one doing that here is you, as always

Lol really? Disregarding the manga to make Jiraiya seem stronger? Petty Bogard, even for you U_U. The level of tysukuyomi and a regular sharigan genjutsu is obviously different but they both originate from the basic principle of eye contact which is needed to capture the victim. But whatever, I'll play your game just for the fun of it.

Self explanatory. Rare are the people capable to compete with Jiraya in the category(high level katons, doton, sealing scrolls, hair offensive and defensive techniques, powerful summons with sennin techniques, and so on)

Cool story bro, But don't tell me more, Tysukuyomi or Amaterasu one shots. Manga Fact.

While it's true Itachi is greater in the category, Jiraya already managed to counter Itachi's genjutsu in part1. He already knows the pre-requist to counter genjutsu(he is the one who taught it to Naruto, only that Naruto lacked skills back then. Genjutsu is also useless on clone and with his high chakra reserves, using clones are a piece of cake for him. He is also a adept summoning user and thus with the partner method, he is virtually immune to Itachi's genjutsus

In sennin mode, it's even easier since he receives sennin chakra continuously from an external source(Pa and Ma) and thus making the use of genjutsu useless

Also in SM, he has the strongest genjutsu in the manga(databook), so GG

He countered Itachi's genjutsu in part 1? Are you referring to the genjutsu that itachi placed on that woman to trick jiraiya and keep him at Bay? Lol Can't tell if serious because that one little feat will not help Jiraiya from Tysukuoymi nor the after effect's of it. Itachi already explains you cannot break his genjutsu from normal means. Virtually immune due to summoning's? Don't think, Unless gamabunta or ma and Pa has some form of medical ninjutsu like tsunade than Jiraiya is sadly falling victim to the after effects of tysukuyumi. As for clones, they are a liable option here but Jiriaya's fighting style does not revolve around the use of clones compared to someone like kakashi who uses clones his battle strategies and ETC, saying jiraiya can simply counter with clones is easy but one first needs to take into the matter of that characters style.

Due to Itachi's chakra, it takes more time for him to prepare the jutsu, given the opponent some type of awareness when the jutsu is cast. Not only that, but Jiraya can protect himself and even use it as a weapon against Itachi with these following jutsus:

No matter, a simple feint crow clone gives Itachi more than enough time to use amaterasu and after it's cast Itachi is free to manipulate the flow of direction to the target which means fried Gamabunta for dinner and that goes for the rest of his boss summons, Ma and PA as well, thats assuming he even makes it to SM.

Regarding The counters for amaterasu it's flawed in some aspects, Jiraiya may have knowledge that Itachi possesses a dangerous technique like that but in no way shape or form does he know how the jutsu is executed or performed nor prepped, saying he can wrap himself around in needle jazo to counter Amaterasu is fan fiction at best when he doesnt even know how the jutsu is executed by Itachi. Even than it doesnt make him 100% safe because at the end of the day the jazo is still simply Hair. Amaterasu has it's downside when it comes to the burning process but Itachi's amaterasu has been shown to burn incredibly fast in some regards so needle jazo can only last him so long when the heat will put him at danger, saying jiraiya will launch amaterasu back at him is funny enough when he can easily counter that by simply putting it out or using a low level form of sussano. Fire sealing method can be a threat with the use of clones, that I won't deny burn the sealing takes

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, via hand seals, and writing the inscription, assuming he doesnt have it ready.

Itachi is superior in taijutsu, but it won't do much because of Jiraya's close, mid-long range ninjutsu versatility, his attack-defensive hair and so on. And in SM, he is clearly superior to Itachi with the increased power and speed boast to the point he is capable to reach the floor 20meters a way from him before his sandal touches him while taking his time preparing Chou Odama rasengan before, and with frog katas it's the game ender

Fan fiction at best. The sharigan's prog should be more than capable of keeping up with Jiraiya's speed. And itachi's reflexes are more than enough to react to Jiraiya's jutsu execution since the sharigan can read hand seals and help the user predict the move, and as stated by kabuto, can't remember the exact words but it goes something like, itachi reading his opponents intentions and using them against them.

It's useless against Yomi Numa since it can't protect from underground, not only that but even the yata mirror is useless against him because he uses senjutsu attacks, which is different from ninjutsu(yata's hype covers ninjutsu only). Frog song would also render Itachi uncapable to maintain Susanoo like Sasuke wasn't against Kabuto(Itachi had a Edo body). Jiraya can also stay far from Itachi to use his long range frog genjutsu, which will ultimately defeat Itachi

Not really.. The Db scan for the YM clearly saids All attacks. Anyway's regarding Yomi Numa it's quite possible that sussano can stand on the mud since it's simply chakra, the user of sussano has been shown to be capable of moving upper levels in sussano to the head area, keeping that in mind the Yomi Numa won't reach itachi, if Im wrong theirs till the fact that sussano's arm length can extend possibly gripping onto part of the surface that isnt covered in mud. Frog genjutsu has too many dangerous flaws to use against some one like Itachi. Frog song, counter possibly by YM, having a edo body could had played a role in white rage or not?

The rest of your post almost gave my laptop a virus, due to the stupidity.

EDIT - gotta log off and get some sleep, any counter you make, ill have to shit on another time since I have school in a few hours.

- charles out

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

They got soloed by Hanzo.

That's because Hanzo is a badass... Not because they are weak XD! Prime Hanzo anyhow.



OT: I notice you didn't make any argument for Kakuzu despite saying they are put above the likes of him ! I'd say you are also underrating many in Akatsuki quite considerably. Any of them are a match for the Sannin except current Orochimaru w/Edo Tensei.

Still they definitely get underrated.



But as far as the most underrated team... By far Team Kurenai due to their lack of panel time with fights.



1. You can't virtually ambush them. They have the Byakugan, scent tracking, and insects (plus Shino's hearing). They will know where you are before you know they are.

2. They can thus set up ambushes.

3. Their combos are completely sadistic...

Kiba spins in with Cerberus and cuts off your legs, Hinata swoops down and hits your chakra network (also causing organ failure). So as you sit there losing blood with maybe your lungs not working, you are slowly eaten alive by Shino's New insects.


Team Sadistic AKA: Team Kurenai .



*Note: Obviously the top tiers aren't going to be killed off so easily with ambushes in stuff. I'm just saying in theory or on average, Team Kurenai is far more dangerous than many let on*.

 

[KingHashirama]

That's because Hanzo is a badass... Not because they are weak XD! Prime Hanzo anyhow.



OT: I notice you didn't make any argument for Kakuzu despite saying they are put above the likes of him ! I'd say you are also underrating many in Akatsuki quite considerably. Any of them are a match for the Sannin except current Orochimaru w/Edo Tensei.

Still they definitely get underrated.



But as far as the most underrated team... By far Team Kurenai due to their lack of panel time with fights.



1. You can't virtually ambush them. They have the Byakugan, scent tracking, and insects (plus Shino's hearing). They will know where you are before you know they are.

2. They can thus set up ambushes.

3. Their combos are completely sadistic...

Kiba spins in with Cerberus and cuts off your legs, Hinata swoops down and hits your chakra network (also causing organ failure). So as you sit there losing blood with maybe your lungs not working, you are slowly eaten alive by Shino's New insects.


Team Sadistic AKA: Team Kurenai .



*Note: Obviously the top tiers aren't going to be killed off so easily with ambushes in stuff. I'm just saying in theory or on average, Team Kurenai is far more dangerous than many let on*.

Oh sh*t forgot about Kakuzu. He still has nothing on the Sanin actually..... Their base skills, outclass him.

 

[Bogard]

Lol really? Disregarding the manga to make Jiraiya seem stronger? Petty Bogard, even for you U_U. The level of tysukuyomi and a regular sharigan genjutsu is obviously different but they both originate from the basic principle of eye contact which is needed to capture the victim. But whatever, I'll play your game just for the fun of it.

Simply using logic on a panel where Kishi clearly didn't Lol. It's not the first asspull anyway. In that fight alone, the number of asspull he used to keep Sasuke alive were too much, like the other one where barely having any chakra, he managed to summon Manda(Bijuu size), use Sharingan genjutsu to control him and reverse summoning all that an instant when the explosion was already close to him. Yeah Kishi, your asspull was great in that fight

Cool story bro, But don't tell me more, Tysukuyomi or Amaterasu one shots. Manga Fact.

Lmao at least you know Itachi's place in the category, dead last Lol

He countered Itachi's genjutsu in part 1? Are you referring to the genjutsu that itachi placed on that woman to trick jiraiya and keep him at Bay? Lol Can't tell if serious because that one little feat will not help Jiraiya from Tysukuoymi nor the after effect's of it. Itachi already explains you cannot break his genjutsu from normal means. Virtually immune due to summoning's? Don't think, Unless gamabunta or ma and Pa has some form of medical ninjutsu like tsunade than Jiraiya is sadly falling victim to the after effects of tysukuyumi. As for clones, they are a liable option here but Jiriaya's fighting style does not revolve around the use of clones compared to someone like kakashi who uses clones his battle strategies and ETC, saying jiraiya can simply counter with clones is easy but one first needs to take into the matter of that characters style.

Yes i was referring to the genjutsu he cancelled on the woman. Never said he could break tsukuyomi, but he could definitely break sharingan genjutsu, but Itachi isn't catching him in it if he stays out of the range, and clones are viable counters like i've said, same goes for Jiraya in SM. Tsukuyomi takes a few seconds in the real life, but in SM, Pa and Ma continuously give him chakra, so tsukuyomi won't even have time to take effect. And what do you know about Jiraya's fighting style? He only fought seriously once in the manga since most of the time it was skirmich or he wasn't hundred procent fit

No matter, a simple feint crow clone gives Itachi more than enough time to use amaterasu and after it's cast Itachi is free to manipulate the flow of direction to the target which means fried Gamabunta for dinner and that goes for the rest of his boss summons, Ma and PA as well, thats assuming he even makes it to SM.

Naruto knew the workings of Amaterasu without having seen the jutsu getting execute before when he warned Bee against it. Jiraya said he would study the jutsu and Jiraya was the only one who actually saw the jutsu in part1. He was also Naruto's teacher, who taught him how to counter Itachi's genjutsus, so it's safe to assume that Jiraya did know the workings of Amaterasu since he is probably the one who gave the info to Naruto

As for burning Gamabunta with it, yes it may burn him, but because it burns slowly, it gives Jiraya more than enough time to seal it away with his fire sealing scroll. On the other hand, Itachi would get tired for using this jutsu to burn a summon

Regarding The counters for amaterasu it's flawed in some aspects, Jiraiya may have knowledge that Itachi possesses a dangerous technique like that but in no way shape or form does he know how the jutsu is executed or performed nor prepped, saying he can wrap himself around in needle jazo to counter Amaterasu is fan fiction at best when he doesnt even know how the jutsu is executed by Itachi. Even than it doesnt make him 100% safe because at the end of the day the jazo is still simply Hair. Amaterasu has it's downside when it comes to the burning process but Itachi's amaterasu has been shown to burn incredibly fast in some regards so needle jazo can only last him so long when the heat will put him at danger, saying jiraiya will launch amaterasu back at him is funny enough when he can easily counter that by simply putting it out or using a low level form of sussano. Fire sealing method can be a threat with the use of clones, that I won't deny burn the sealing takes

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Seems you didn't read the link.

Chakra grants the strands of hair the hardness and shape of needles

The needle jizo is like the name says as hard as needle. It's not normal hair. It's durable enough to protect even against arrows

Amaterasu isn't bypassing that especially with his slow burning rate. And like i've said, Jiraya could even use it as a weapon to fire it back with his

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Fan fiction at best. The sharigan's prog should be more than capable of keeping up with Jiraiya's speed. And itachi's reflexes are more than enough to react to Jiraiya's jutsu execution since the sharigan can read hand seals and help the user predict the move, and as stated by kabuto, can't remember the exact words but it goes something like, itachi reading his opponents intentions and using them against them.

I would like to see how Sharingan would protect against invisible frog katas. And the Sage sensing has been shown to have superior precognition than Sharingan. Add that to the fact Jiraya possess more power and speed in this mode than Itachi and he would get demolished in close range

Not really.. The Db scan for the YM clearly saids All attacks. Anyway's regarding Yomi Numa it's quite possible that sussano can stand on the mud since it's simply chakra, the user of sussano has been shown to be capable of moving upper levels in sussano to the head area, keeping that in mind the Yomi Numa won't reach itachi, if Im wrong theirs till the fact that sussano's arm length can extend possibly gripping onto part of the surface that isnt covered in mud. Frog genjutsu has too many dangerous flaws to use against some one like Itachi. Frog song, counter possibly by YM, having a edo body could had played a role in white rage or not?

You clearly misread the databook. It gave the reason why it's said to protect against any attack on the same sentence. Because it's said to have all nature transformations, and thus make it possible for the mirror to change its characteristics in accordance to the opponent's attack. Senjutsu isn't a nature transformation, reason why yata's hype doesn't cover it. What's the relationship between chakra and yomi numa? Chakra or not, it would sink in. Not even as if it needs to sink in anyway when sinking Itachi is the main goal and underground being Susanoo's weakness, it doesn't protect against it

How is Frog Song countered by yata mirror? Fanfiction? It's sound, not a physical attack, unless you think Itachi doesn't hear when he is protected by Yata. Not even mentioning the fact yata only covers the front and sound covers a whole area

The rest of your post almost gave my laptop a virus, due to the stupidity.

EDIT - gotta log off and get some sleep, any counter you make, ill have to shit on another time since I have school in a few hours.

- charles out

Talking about yourself Lol. Anyway ok. Made my post. Waiting for your own

 

[H a n]

When we see Itachi, he is usually sick.. He was sick back when he first came back to the Hidden Leaf village. Kakashi even pointed it out when they came for Gaara capture arc. If he had more stamina, he would be able to beat all of the sannin.

Kisame.. We didn't really get a good look at what all he could do to tell the truth. Most of the akatsuki only had one fight to show off.

Sasori..Slightest cut from his poison could end it for any of them if it comes in contact. Just saying, if they were going in without knowing what this dude could do, they could easily get wounded. Without a cure? Gameover. They have to go in knowing exactly what antidote they need just in case they do need it. No one can fight a S rank ninja and not get hit at least once. Oro can put up a fight and win but J-Man and Tsunade are too clumsy not to get scraped.

Deidara.. If he came in just to nuke the village... Small chance that they could hop all the way into the sky to kill him before it goes off and I don't think they have much to block it with like Gaara. In a full blown fight.. I don't see him defeating the Sannin.

Hidan ...He wouldn't last long at all.

Kakashi just need more stamina but he can hold his own in a 1 vs 1.

Gaara ...J-Man stomps him almost like Naruto did back in chunnin exam. Oro with his edo's will do just fine..Not so sure about Tsunade though...

Onoki..He too old for this shiz.

Most of these guys had to be put down in odd matchups so they would have to die.

 

[Zebstrika]

Most people will like to say Itachi is superior to the Sannin, simply because of Orochimaru. Now why is that? Orochimaru's weakness is Genjutsu.....is it for the others? no.

Huge misconception.

Orochimaru is not bad at genjutsu, Itachi is just abnormally good at genjutsu.

No, Kisame is not near Jman's level as he said


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Kisame:
「アナタならどうにかこうにかやれる相手でも私じゃあ 分かりませんよ…」
「次元が違う」
"You might be able to somehow defeat him, but me, well I don't know..."
"Our levels are too far apart"

Itachi:
「ああ…やり合えは二人共殺されるか良くて相打ちというところ」
「…たとえ人数を増やしたとしても変わらないだろう」
"Yeah... If we fought him, we might both be killed. If it goes well, we might take him with us."
"Even if the number of people were to increase, this probably wouldn't change"

Kisame
「ラーメン屋で　やっと見付けたはいいが…お守りが　あの゛伝説の三忍゛とは」
「彼が相手では゛木ノ葉のうちは一族゛も゛霧の忍刀七人衆゛の名もかすんでしまう」
"It was good we finally found them by the ramen store, but... his guardian is of those 'Legendary Three Ninja' "
"He, as an opponent, makes 'Konoha's Uchiha clan' and the 'Seven Shinobi Swordmen of the Mist' seem like nothing."

Itachi:
「ああ…しかし……」
「どんな強者にも弱点というのがあるものだ……」
"Yes... However......"
"No matter how strong a person is, he is bound to have a weakness..."

Kisame wasn't talking about Jiraiya. He was talking about the Nine-tails host.

Read Itachi's response again:

"Yeah... If we fought him, we might both be killed. If it goes well, we might take him with us."

Why on earth would they take Jiraiya with them? Itachi and Kisame were sent to capture the Kyuubi and they assumed they'd being taking on someone around BM Naruto level (turns out Naruto was still a noob at the time).

 

[TheEvilOne]

By hype Jiraiya is on Nagato's level, Tsunade and Orochimaru are slightly under Itachi's level. But by feats Jiraiya loses to Itachi, Nagato and probably even to Deidara. Tsunade loses to Nagato, Itachi, Kisame and Deidara ( probably ). Orochimaru loses to Nagato and Itachi.

 

[biswa112]

The wonderful trio next to team 7..

 

[Bantos]

The sannin and Itachi + other akatsuki are actually in the same tier. Jiraiya vs Itachi and Tsunade vs Itachi could go either way. And after Orochimaru lost against Itachi I'm sure he came up with some techniques and tactics against him.

 

[Multiply]

Jiariaya shits on Itachi med-high difficulty IMO. Ameterasu really isn't a factor in this fight when you can block ameterasu with another flame(SM can sense ameterasu forming in the eye). The only problem with this is genjutsu which might not even be a factor in this fight. Jiraiya showed he can control his chakra even while under a poison that most would not even be conscious from. He was on like 20%(If that) chakra levels and still held his own against a hand-less Orochimaru.

Itachi > Tsunade high difficulty. The only way he wins is with ameterasu/totsuka. Genjutsu was proven by KingHashirama to not really even be a factor(Chakra control). Tsunade has no counter to ameterasu if used, and obviously not totsuka.

Orochimaru is probably fodderized by Itachi IMO.

 

[Xlad]

Sorry, I still don't see how Itachi<Sannin. Maybe not by much, but still.

 

[Multiply]

Sorry, I still don't see how Itachi<Sannin. Maybe not by much, but still.

You think in a 3v1 Itachi > 3 Sannin... Say it ain't so...

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