Most tactical battle in Naruto?

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I feel ya. Sometimes you gotta "charm". I don't do it myself but for someone in your position, it's a blessing.

You want them scans tho?
Premium and ... economic status? Don't be such an NB stereotype. You don't sound cool. You don't sound smart ... you just sound dull. I mean, seriously ... premium and poverty. I don't even ...

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Premium and ... economic status? Don't be such an NB stereotype. You don't sound cool. You don't sound smart ... you just sound dull. I mean, seriously ... premium and poverty. I don't even ...

No. You know what that means? If not, then google is just a click away.
Bro. You're a NB stereotype yourself.

Relax. I guess that dataplan situation is a bit touchy..
 

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Most tactical battle in Naruto is Kin VS Shikamaru, that's not really subjective, it's a simple match-up where both combatants are tacticians with no movement made or punch thrown loosely.

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If this thread means most impressive tactical battle? Well then that's Shukaku & The Leaf VS Kurama (Game) and Shika/Shukaku VS The Juubi in my opinion. Great use of resources thought up instantly to combat an unlikely, unexpected opponent.
 

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Most tactical battle in Naruto is Kin VS Shikamaru, that's not really subjective, it's a simple match-up where both combatants are tacticians with no movement made or punch thrown loosely.

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If this thread means most impressive tactical battle? Well then that's Shukaku & The Leaf VS Kurama (Game) and Shika/Shukaku VS The Juubi in my opinion. Great use of resources thought up instantly to combat an unlikely, unexpected opponent.
Be careful. Shelke is bound to disagree over what you think.
 

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Bro. You're a NB stereotype yourself.

Relax. I guess that data plan situation is a bit touchy..
I am surprised you can spell 'touchy' and 'stereotype'.

Yeah, when all arguments are out ... "dude, relax. Why so touchiii?"

Lol @ This base.

P.s: It should be AN NB stereotype. Don't you just fit that 'bad grammar' bill like a glove?
 
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Orchestrates a sure kill ambush. Leading team Asuma.
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Figures out the secret behind Hidan's ritual. Asuma someone who is quite smart himself has no idea
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Thinks of 200 different possible moves in an instant
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Just from looking at his weapon he was able to deduce his fighting style.
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Kakuzu a veteran and highly intelligent himself gives him praise
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Now its time for him to lead Kakashi.
Kakashi was a late addition to the group and he had already altered all his tactics from this. Kakashi himself is amazed.
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Another successful ambush. He manages to get rid of Hidan's range (rope) with this first attack, making him much easier to deal with than last time (something that gave Asuma trouble).
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Made them look like fools
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Applying his shogi tactics to S rank ninjas.
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Kakuzu breaking down Shikamarus ambush which was a complex step by step process.
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Shikamaru accounted for one of them breaking out of his shadow possession (especially Kakuzu since he wasn't aware of his abilities) You can tell that's why he had Chouji waiting there. This is showing he's thinking many steps ahead. Accounting for any possible scenario.
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This one shows just how far he's thinking ahead, no one in this entire show has a feat entailing this many steps ahead. He had Kakashi use a tube to gather Kakuzu's blood. Most people die when they are struck through the heart, so why would he need to take even extra measures? Because nothing escapes Shikamaru's ability to think ahead, he had setup because Kakuzu was a ? mark. And he used Hidans own against them.

Kakashi placed his life in Shikamaru's .

Look how they all are when Kakuzu gets back up and yet Shikamaru still had this in his realm of possibilities.

Manages to capture Hidan again with Shadow . He accounted for Hidan's cocky personality and knew if he went in himself he would be shocked, but he didn't just run in like an idiot first he had Hidan in , he even accounted for Hidan which is crazy in itself most people would have been caught by this in midair since you cant control gravity or your shadow but he was already IN CASE Hidan did avoid it. You see he leaves no openings in his calculations. He always assumes worst case scenarios and takes into accounts all variables including personality into account.

Also take into account Shikamaru doesn't even have close to the arsenal Sasuke has in battle, he has like 1 jutsu yet he makes the most out of the least.

So again show me feats of Sasuke's so I can laugh at them.
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Asuma had made Shikamaru take an IQ test.
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Look at his fight against Temari, and look at how far he was thinking ahead.

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He was even drawing out time to make sure the Sun had set lower
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Even Temari had predicted his range from the distance of the wall and the shadows from his first use of the Shadow Possession early in that fight:

Despite this, Shikamaru had used her own knowledge of his technique range against her, and what's worse ... He had already calculated this steps ahead (look at the scans I posted originally that had Shikamaru taking off his jacket and preparing something):

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However, Temari was still capable herself.
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... Or so she thought.
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Even the Jonin leveled shinobi were surprised by how FAR Shikamaru was thinking ahead of time.
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What truly makes Shikamaru such a Genius, is that he had this entire plan out from the start. Every movement she had, every tactic he played, every thing was all according to his overall plan. He even forced her, Temari, to move closer to that hole, on his whim. He was playing her like a chess piece, and she didn't even realize it.

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Yet you'll have people saying this guy, isn't a tacitician. And at the same time, you'll have people push back his feats and praise a character like, Sakura for instance, for her battle intellect when Shikamaru squashes her to the Moon and back.

But I'm not surprised though.
 
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I am surprised you can spell 'touchy' and 'stereotype'.

Yeah, when all arguments are out ... "dude, relax. Why so touchiii?"

Lol @ This base.
What are you talking about? I told you waaaay back that we have opinions. You took that as, "Sasuke must be stupid if he isn't as tactical or smart as Shikamaru". As if the margin is that wide to begin with.

I then asked for scans and you couldn't spare Kbs to do so.
 

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What are you talking about? I told you waaaay back that we have opinions. You took that as, "Sasuke must be stupid if he isn't as tactical or smart as Shikamaru". As if the margin is that wide to begin with.

I then asked for scans and you couldn't spare Kbs to do so.
Then, are we done? Finally, because you don't sound that cute in this thread.

Based on what? I just don't have time for a boring, self-indulging poster, who pulls every damned stop he can find to downplay characters' feats that are other than Hinata's or Naruto's.
 

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Then, are we done? Finally, because you don't sound that cute in this thread.

Based on what? I just don't have time for a boring, self-indulging poster, who pulls every damned stop he can find to downplay characters' feats that are other than Hinata's or Naruto's.
I guess all you can do is talk instead of showing scans. I've dismissed you already and you know your situation can't handle it. I don't downplay Sasuke, he just isn't as tactical as Shikamaru.
 

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I guess all you can do is talk instead of showing scans. I've dismissed you already and you know your situation can't handle it. I don't downplay Sasuke, he just isn't as tactical as Shikamaru.
Feel free to go back and read the fights. Still, no one is really converting you. It seems to be a sad, self-imposed assumption.
 

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Both are tacitcal, both are smart, both can deduce how people work quickly.

Shikamaru's intelligence is canonically higher than Sasuke as referenced in the Manga and in the databook.

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This is my opinion fyi:

With prep-time. Shikamaru walks circles around Sasuke. Sasuke roughly had years and years of potential planning in order to fight his brother and it came down to Itachi letting him win in the end. Shikamaru had roughly a day or so and was able to formulate a plan that resulted in the defeat of two akatsuki members.





In a random occurrence I'd say Sasuke has a tactical edge in terms of resources. Sasuke just has the arsenal and resources to enact his plans faster and use them perfectly (Danzo & Deidara fight). Being smart can only get you so far when your chakra is limited and you have few jutsu. Even if he has a plan it's impossible without the resources.

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That doesn't prevent Shikamaru from using each move efficiently as he did in the temari fight and tayuya fight where he was out matched despite controlling the pace of the fight.

This was one of the things that earned him chuunin rank so early iirc, his planning and potential leadership.




Shikamaru takes this. The few instances of Sasuke leading a team were either failures or him not actually leading them in a formation at all. This involves abandoning his team, withholding information, or blatantly not utilizing their skills or the things they excel in.

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Keep in mind that even Kakashi suggested that Sasuke led the team which had bad results.



Shikamaru has executed many successful plans throughout the series when leading his team. The war arc and immortal arc to be specific.



I believe that overall, Shikamaru is a better tactician due to his ability in a team oriented scenario where prior planning, on-the-fly planning, teamwork and Intel (or lack of) is required for success.

People such as Shikamaru and Kakashi are great for this. Kakashi's planning is what led to Kaguya's defeat after he played to Team 7's strengths, the same with Hidan and Kakazu.


The only aspect Sasuke has over Shikamaru are his options. Sasuke isn't limited due to his arsenal and can afford to make mistakes and take risks. Shikamaru is only as good a tactician as what he has to work with (himself or his team). Sasuke simply has more to work with.


My opinion is supported by this:

Orchestrates a sure kill ambush. Leading team Asuma.
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Figures out the secret behind Hidan's ritual. Asuma someone who is quite smart himself has no idea
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Thinks of 200 different possible moves in an instant
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Just from looking at his weapon he was able to deduce his fighting style.
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Kakuzu a veteran and highly intelligent himself gives him praise
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Now its time for him to lead Kakashi.
Kakashi was a late addition to the group and he had already altered all his tactics from this. Kakashi himself is amazed.
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Another successful ambush. He manages to get rid of Hidan's range (rope) with this first attack, making him much easier to deal with than last time (something that gave Asuma trouble).
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Made them look like fools
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Applying his shogi tactics to S rank ninjas.
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Kakuzu breaking down Shikamarus ambush which was a complex step by step process.
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Shikamaru accounted for one of them breaking out of his shadow possession (especially Kakuzu since he wasn't aware of his abilities) You can tell that's why he had Chouji waiting there. This is showing he's thinking many steps ahead. Accounting for any possible scenario.
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This one shows just how far he's thinking ahead, no one in this entire show has a feat entailing this many steps ahead. He had Kakashi use a tube to gather Kakuzu's blood. Most people die when they are struck through the heart, so why would he need to take even extra measures? Because nothing escapes Shikamaru's ability to think ahead, he had setup because Kakuzu was a ? mark. And he used Hidans own against them.

Kakashi placed his life in Shikamaru's .

Look how they all are when Kakuzu gets back up and yet Shikamaru still had this in his realm of possibilities.

Manages to capture Hidan again with Shadow . He accounted for Hidan's cocky personality and knew if he went in himself he would be shocked, but he didn't just run in like an idiot first he had Hidan in , he even accounted for Hidan which is crazy in itself most people would have been caught by this in midair since you cant control gravity or your shadow but he was already IN CASE Hidan did avoid it. You see he leaves no openings in his calculations. He always assumes worst case scenarios and takes into accounts all variables including personality into account.

Also take into account Shikamaru doesn't even have close to the arsenal Sasuke has in battle, he has like 1 jutsu yet he makes the most out of the least.

So again show me feats of Sasuke's so I can laugh at them.
I wasn't talking about you bro.

Anyway, I just wanted to drop these scans ~

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It's thanks to Shikamaru's plan, and the combined work of the SA, that Minato had enough time to teleport the Bijuudama away.
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Asuma had made Shikamaru take an IQ test.
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Look at his fight against Temari, and look at how far he was thinking ahead.

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He was even drawing out time to make sure the Sun had set lower
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Even Temari had predicted his range from the distance of the wall and the shadows from his first use of the Shadow Possession early in that fight:

Despite this, Shikamaru had used her own knowledge of his technique range against her, and what's worse ... He had already calculated this steps ahead (look at the scans I posted originally that had Shikamaru taking off his jacket and preparing something):

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However, Temari was still capable herself.
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... Or so she thought.
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Even the Jonin leveled shinobi were surprised by how FAR Shikamaru was thinking ahead of time.
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What truly makes Shikamaru such a Genius, is that he had this entire plan out from the start. Every movement she had, every tactic he played, every thing was all according to his overall plan. He even forced her, Temari, to move closer to that hole, on his whim. He was playing her like a chess piece, and she didn't even realize it.

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Yet you'll have people saying this guy, isn't a tacitician. And at the same time, you'll have people push back his feats and praise a character like, Sakura for instance, for her battle intellect when Shikamaru squashes her to the Moon and back.

But I'm not surprised though.





Feel free to go back and read the fights. Still, no one is really converting you. It seems to be a sad, self-imposed assumption.
I understand. There really should just be a poll on who is a better tactian. Although if it's one sided i'm sure you'd somehow spin it that everyone is is wrong or doesn't understand.

Kind of like what happened a few days ago where you had to hold that "L"

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No fight in the series touches Team 10/ Kakashi vs Hidan and Kakuzu.

And am I really seeing Sasuke being compared to Shikamaru?

Shikamaru had Kakashi defer to him. Kakashi........that feat alone makes any argument irrelevant. I can't name you any other character in this series whom Kakashi would take a backseat to, and let them handle all the planning/ tactics.
Kakashi took the back seat to minato when fighting madara.

I'd say he did the same with sasuke when fighting kaguya but nothing sasuke did worked... and the one plan kakashi employed went through with colors flying..
 

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Kakashi took the back seat to minato when fighting madara.

I'd say he did the same with sasuke when fighting kaguya but nothing sasuke did worked... and the one plan kakashi employed went through with colors flying..
The bold is really the /thread. That's a direct comparison if I've ever seen one.

Only reason Kakashi did so to begin with was because it was forced, he was outclassed and he was damn near irrelevant. And throughout the war he has shown a couple glimpses here and there with listening to others ideas because he is outclassed in the first place, but nothing on the scale of the immortal duo, especially since Shikamaru is levels below Kakashi yet he still didn't utter a word with Shika making all the decisions in a battle against S ranks.

Also the war was on the spot deals, where anyone takes over at any given time given the situation.....this was a team setting out for battle knowing their roles, with Shikamaru playing leader.
 
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Whilst Sasuke has always been very impressive (prior to relying on Susanoo anyway) I personally feel his planning capabilities seem exaggerated by his huge movepool and his very impressive way of using it in all manner of situations. He's a quick thinker but not faster than Shikamaru (as proven by his instant plan against the Juubi and adapting to sudden opponents like Kin Tsuchi & Tayuya who require deduction)

Sure, Sasuke can get more done with his intelligence but that's because of his moveset to back it up, having more options means your brain has less work to do. Shikamaru takes what little he has and makes it go miles, he is at his absolute best when leading others. Formations of entire battalions just like his father did against Kurama and the Battlefields. Sasuke is a tactical genius, who should be in everyone's Top 5- But it IS silly to not consider Shikamaru a tactician, that's all i'm saying.
 

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Most tactical battle in Naruto is Kin VS Shikamaru, that's not really subjective, it's a simple match-up where both combatants are tacticians with no movement made or punch thrown loosely.

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If this thread means most impressive tactical battle? Well then that's Shukaku & The Leaf VS Kurama (Game) and Shika/Shukaku VS The Juubi in my opinion. Great use of resources thought up instantly to combat an unlikely, unexpected opponent.
Honestly, there were far better performances such as Ino's usage of her hair to restrain Sakura or Naruto's impressive jutsu timing against Kiba. That was more tactical than Shikamaru just streaming his shadow through Kin's string.
 
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