More liberal hipocrisy

[ZK]

Until The Americans got involved, western Europe was lost. There's a reason the axis was able to confidently bomb Britain throughout the war.

When the American invasion began, is when the Germans were forced to resupply the western front this making them lose resources in their eastern conquest. The Germans were less then 100 miles from moscow. The Soviets were getting their crap pushed back in.

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Battle of Moscow: 2 October 1941 – 7 January 1942
American declaration of war against Germany: December 11, 1941

I'm not sure where you got this from or why you would believe this is true. The Germans lost the Russian Gamble for several reasons, one of them being that the troops weren't outfitted for winter war, another being that their supply-lines were stretched thin over the enormous territories they briefly conquered during Barbarossa. Then there's the whole Greece-thing; Italy was pushed back by the Hellenic Army, forcing Hitler to divert forces intended for Barbarossa to Greece.
It is correct that until Moscow the Societs were being pushed back and employed scorched earth tactics, but I believe you can largely attribute that to the effectiveness of the German Army and their mastery of Blitzkrieg. Plus, while Stalin certainly didn't trust Hitler I very much doubt he expected a full-scale invasion when it happened. The Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty established a non-aggression pact between the two nations, so there's that to consider as well. Yet, when the Red Army got a bit of room to breathe and mobilize they did a number on the Germans. The Soviets sustained heavy casualties, but to say they were dependent on the Americans? That their victory hinged on their arrival? Nah, man. That's just not true.

Also; the Battle of Britain is a very different topic, but it is the RAF's achievement, not the United States'.

 

[Bronze]

Until The Americans got involved, western Europe was lost. There's a reason the axis was able to confidently bomb Britain throughout the war.

Do you even know what western Europe is? It includes Germany, France, Italy, Spain and UK.

Spain was neutral throughout the war. Germany occupied France. Italy was part of the Axis. All that is left is UK, which Germany tried to invade - Battle Of Britain - through its air force but was completely outclassed. After that, Hitler deployed 70-80% of his military on Eastern Europe to fight the Soviet Union. All that left was France and Italy, which both were later occupied by the Allied. So tell me again, how did you save Western Europe? Majority of the allied troops who fought were British and Canadian, so Americans weren't needed, but you joined as Germany declared war on US.

When the American invasion began, is when the Germans were forced to resupply the western front this making them lose resources in their eastern conquest. The Germans were less then 100 miles from moscow. The Soviets were getting their crap pushed back in.

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Okay, this is just getting ridiculous. About 70-80% of German troops were mascaraed by the Soviets, and the Germans/Italians lost territories in Africa, Middle East and Eastern Europe; Germany could have never been able to resupply Western Europe.


If the United States didn't get involved in the war, the Allies powers would have still beaten Axis, it would just take much longer. Between 1939 to 1941, America did nothing but profiting from the war. They sold equipment and food to Britain. They would have not gotten involved in the war until Pearl Harbor. Britain was fighting Axis since 1939, while America joined 2 years later after it was attacked. But even if you didn't join the war, British Commonwealth and Soviets would have still defeated Axis, it would just take much longer.

Not going to stay here and brag about this. It's clear everything you'll reply will back will be the bullshit they taught you at school. America helped save the world with Britain, its commonwealth and Soviets. America did not singlehandedly save the world. That is the historical truth, I'm afraid.

 

[Unbiased]

Do you even know what western Europe is? It includes Germany, France, Italy, Spain and UK.

Spain was neutral throughout the war. Germany occupied France. Italy was part of the Axis. All that is left is UK, which Germany tried to invade - Battle Of Britain - through its air force but was completely outclassed. After that, Hitler deployed 70-80% of his military on Eastern Europe to fight the Soviet Union. All that left was France and Italy, which both were later occupied by the Allied. So tell me again, how did you save Western Europe? Majority of the allied troops who fought were British and Canadian, so Americans weren't needed, but you joined as Germany declared war on US.

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Okay, this is just getting ridiculous. About 70-80% of German troops were mascaraed by the Soviets, and the Germans/Italians lost territories in Africa, Middle East and Eastern Europe; Germany could have never been able to resupply Western Europe.


If the United States didn't get involved in the war, the Allies powers would have still beaten Axis, it would just take much longer. Between 1939 to 1941, America did nothing but profiting from the war. They sold equipment and food to Britain. They would have not gotten involved in the war until Pearl Harbor. Britain was fighting Axis since 1939, while America joined 2 years later after it was attacked. But even if you didn't join the war, British Commonwealth and Soviets would have still defeated Axis, it would just take much longer.

Not going to stay here and brag about this. It's clear everything you'll reply will back will be the bullshit they taught you at school. America helped save the world with Britain, its commonwealth and Soviets. America did not singlehandedly save the world. That is the historical truth, I'm afraid.

The Germans lost due to the harsh winters against the Soviets. Let's not ignore the fact that Hitler played a stupid move. You seem to forget ww2 was a 2 front war. The Japanese and Germans were relentless and not until 1943 did the Japanese even begin to truly falter. It isn't Soviets and British vs Germany.