Mokuton vs Rinnegan

[HadouKage]

sure water and earth combine makes wood but wood is a KKG and hashirama is the only person to have it without any form of modification.

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And what is a KKG?
It would/could be accessible through the Rinnegan since the Rinnegan gives access to all 5 chakara natures.

 

[KidGamer65]

I never said Hashi's DNA doesn't give you access to Mokuton . It's a manga fact along with the fact that that both water and earth combined creates wood. How is this disproven?

I never said you said the underlined lol. Did you even read the post before you replied? Lol

Earth and Water alone doesn't let you use Mokuton, that is the real manga fact.

Earth.

Water.

AND Hashirama's DNA are all the requirements. The fact you think Earth and Water chakra natures is going to create living trees is hilarious.

-No one has ever gotten Mokuton without his DNA, so there is absolutely no reason why you should even attempt to make an argument that only Earth and Water are necessary.

-Mokuton gets its life from the strong life force of Hashirama's cells. That's why if you can't control the life energy the cells possess,

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Manga has made it pretty clear that Mokuton isn't simply made from two chakra natures, hence his DNA being a requirement despite what element you have.

 

[HadouKage]

I never said you said the underlined lol. Did you even read the post before you replied? Lol

Earth and Water alone doesn't let you use Mokuton, that is the real manga fact.

Earth.

Water.

AND Hashirama's DNA are all the requirements. The fact you think Earth and Water chakra natures is going to create living trees is hilarious.

-No one has ever gotten Mokuton without his DNA, so there is absolutely no reason why you should even attempt to make an argument that only Earth and Water are necessary.

-Mokuton gets its life from the strong life force of Hashirama's cells. That's why if you can't control the life energy the cells possess,

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Manga has made it pretty clear that Mokuton isn't simply made from two chakra natures, hence his DNA being a requirement despite what element you have.

I'm gonna go with the absence of evidence argument

As I said to KH, there is little information from my argument to prove my claim to be right. However, it is also a manga fact that Water and Earth make up Mokuton despite Yamato having Hashi's DNA. And btw, what Mokuton tech did Danzo use?

 

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And what is a KKG?
It would/could be accessible through the Rinnegan since the Rinnegan gives access to all 5 chakara natures.

kekkai genkai is a bloodline limit it cannot be copied by any form of dojutsu. rinnegan gives you mastery over the five basic nature it doesnt give you kekkai genkai natures.

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[KidGamer65]

I'm gonna go with the absence of evidence argument

As I said to KH, there is little information from my argument to prove my claim to be right. However, it is also a manga fact that Water and Earth make up Mokuton despite Yamato having Hashi's DNA. And btw, what Mokuton tech did Danzo use?

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from his body.

Its a manga fact that Hashirama's DNA gives you Mokuton, and its manga fact that you can't use it without his DNA, it being Earth and Water is irrelevant. You don't even have any info that supports your argument.

 

[HadouKage]

kekkai genkai is a bloodline limit it cannot be copied by any form of dojutsu. rinnegan gives you mastery over the five basic nature it doesnt give you kekkai genkai natures.

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Your own scan supports my argument further :|
Hence why Onoki has a KKT because his Jinton is composed of 3 elements

Rinnegan gives you access to 5 chakara natures, which in turn, allows you to combine them to make KKG or KKT

Just like Juubito has done (don't feel like finding the scan)

 

[Booker]

Mokuton is superior to Rinnegan.

Also lol at HadouKage.

 

[HadouKage]

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from his body.

Its a manga fact that Hashirama's DNA gives you Mokuton, and its manga fact that you can't use it without his DNA, it being Earth and Water is irrelevant. You don't even have any info that supports your argument.

Once again the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. This means moot. Maybe Kishi didn't expand on it? However it has been shown and proven in the manga what element Mokuton is composed of. Once again, I'm denying that Hashi's DNA gives you access to Mokuton, however I am stating that there is a possibility to gain it through KKG

But anyways you're right, there's no more expansion on it's explanation from my side, so really I can only rely one that manga page really

 

[BlackFlame44]

Your own scan supports my argument further :|
Hence why Onoki has a KKT because his Jinton is composed of 3 elements

Rinnegan gives you access to 5 chakara natures, which in turn, allows you to combine them to make KKG or KKT

Just like Juubito has done (don't feel like finding the scan)

That's not how KKG works

In that logic Kakashi can use wood jutsu since he can use water and earth

Being able to use more than one elemental jutsu doesn't make you able to use kekkei genkai

 

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Your own scan supports my argument further :|
Hence why Onoki has a KKT because his Jinton is composed of 3 elements

Rinnegan gives you access to 5 chakara natures, which in turn, allows you to combine them to make KKG or KKT

Just like Juubito has done (don't feel like finding the scan)

kakashi has earth and water can he use mokuton as well? yamato has been explain multiple times that he was experimented on by orochimaru thats how he got mokuton. obito has hashirama dna. there isnt one person that use mokuton without hashirama dna. you sir dont know what your talking about.

 

[HadouKage]

That's not how KKG works

In that logic Kakashi can use wood jutsu since he can use water and earth

Being able to use more than one elemental jutsu doesn't make you able to use kekkei genkai

Why tell me what I already know?

In order to do so, you must be able to combine your nature affinities together. I previously stated this in my earlier post

 

[KidGamer65]

Once again the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. This means moot. Maybe Kishi didn't expand on it? However it has been shown and proven in the manga what element Mokuton is composed of. Once again, I'm denying that Hashi's DNA gives you access to Mokuton, however I am stating that there is a possibility to gain it through KKG

Uh no, there isn't. Citing absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence isn't an argument pal.

You know what's been shown in the manga? That no Hashirama's DNA means no Mokuton. Yamato's demonstration means nothing as he had Hashirama's cells in him during his demonstration.

-Mokuton is created with the above and Hashirama's life energy, which resides in his cells, which is why Mokuton is living.

-How is someone with Earth and Water going to create something that needs life energy?

Rinnegan doesn't potentially let you get Mokuton, Yamato's explanation and Madara only using Mokuton while Rinnegan was active don't mean anything.

Manga has time and time again shown that there are more pieces to the puzzle called Mokuton, than Water and Earth chakra natures, which completely destroys the base of your argument.

 

[HadouKage]

Uh no, there isn't. Citing absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence isn't an argument pal.

You know what's been shown in the manga? That no Hashirama's DNA means no Mokuton. Yamato's demonstration means nothing as he had Hashirama's cells in him during his demonstration.

-Mokuton is created with the above and Hashirama's life energy, which resides in his cells, which is why Mokuton is living.

-How is someone with Earth and Water going to create something that needs life energy?

Rinnegan doesn't potentially let you get Mokuton, Yamato's explanation and Madara only using Mokuton while Rinnegan was active don't mean anything.

Manga has time and time again shown that there are more pieces to the puzzle called Mokuton, than Water and Earth chakra natures, which completely destroys the base of your argument.

Welp nothing wrong with thinking outside the box, you're right. I conceive

 

[Booker]

Why tell me what I already know?

In order to do so, you must be able to combine your nature affinities together. I previously stated this in my earlier post

Are you stupid?

That's why it's a KKG, and you need Hashirama's DNA. Not Rinnegan.

 

[HadouKage]

Are you stupid?

That's why it's a KKG, and you need Hashirama's DNA. Not Rinnegan.

Are you dumb? Proof the Muu and Ono share the same DNA
KKG can be genetic. KKG/KKT also can be the ability to combine 2 or more nature affinities. This is evident through Obito

 

[Booker]

Are you dumb? Proof the Muu and Ono share the same DNA
KKG or KKT can be genetic or the ability to combine 2 or more nature affinities. This is also evident through Obito

It's never clarified if they are related or not. The fact they share the same KKG implies they are.

The ability to combine two or more affinities is a KKG moron. That's why Kakashi can't use Mokuton, because he can't combine the two, because he does not have Hashirama's DNA.

 

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Are you dumb? Proof the Muu and Ono share the same DNA
KKG can be genetic. KKG/KKT also can be the ability to combine 2 or more nature affinities. This is evident through Obito

jinton and mokuton isnt the same thing. so you cant apply the logic behind kekkai touta to that of a kekkai genkai especially mokuton.
we dont know how jinton works the only thing onoki said is that muu passed down the secrets to him, and he still dont know if muu and onoki are related.

 

[HadouKage]

It's never clarified if they are related or not. The fact they share the same KKG implies they are.

The ability to combine two or more affinities is a KKG moron. That's why Kakashi can't use Mokuton, because he can't combine the two, because he does not have Hashirama's DNA.

Are you suggesting only those with the Mizukage DNA can only use Boil and Lava Release?
Kakashi can't use KKG because he can't combine his nature affinities. The Mokuton argument is over and done with.

 

[Booker]

Are you suggesting only those with the Mizukage DNA can only use Boil and Lava Release?

Or if another clan shares the same KKG, yes.

Kakashi can't use KKG because he can't combine his nature affinities. The Mokuton argument is over and done with.

^ Exactly. So why are you still arguing? You need Hashirama's DNA.

 

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Are you suggesting only those with the Mizukage DNA can only use Boil and Lava Release?
Kakashi can't use KKG because he can't combine his nature affinities. The Mokuton argument is over and done with.

:vincent::vincent::vincent: only those born with that kekkai genkai can use dude honestly why are you so stubborn? the mizukage has two kekkai genkai, boil and lava, onoki's granddaughter also has the lava release kekkai genkai, deidara has explosive release. follow the term you have to be born with a kekkai genaki to use those advance nature. hell sasuke is the only uchiha so far to use blaze release not even itachi has it.