Moktuon abilities ≠ Mokuton Ninjutsu

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You're making my brain hurt, why would you even bring that up then? If a person can summon flames thats a ninjutsu, although it is barebones. Molding it into a ball is a more complex ninjutsu.

Why is your brain hurting, I'm using simple terms.

Yes but can you summon flames out of your hands? No.

 

[Trollasaur]

Why is your brain hurting, I'm using simple terms.

Yes but can you summon flames out of your hands? No.

Your point?

 

[Multiply]

So what is this then? It requries no handsigns.

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That's raw chakra not being molded in your body? While it's interesting you bring that up. The chakra is being pumped out side of the body, so it's hardly necessary to mold chakra inside the body. That's what the hand signs do. :|

 

[KingHashirama]

Bro, Danzo's implantment = Hashirama's dna. Which includes Mokuton. Same for Obito, but Mokuton "ninjutsu" are the techniques That Obito, Yamato,Madara, and Hashirama.

Mokuton is simply a KKG that combines Earth and water to make wood. However due to Hashirama's dna, which enables people to use mokuton and has senju dna in it.. it can power up people or in some cases eyes.


If my post sounded confusing I'm sorry.

But clarify for me the main point of the thread.

 

[Bronze]

I have not denied his feats. he used 1 mokuton ninjutsu in that flashback. I've provided a scan for you. Just because you find a ninjutsu on Naruto Wiki, doesn't mean it's true. If you want to play by Naruto wiki:

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Now stop it.

these have all been stated to be true in the manga, and narutowiki have edited to their website. he used one on naruto.

Definition of ability:
Noun
The capacity to do something.
Talent that enables someone to achieve a great deal.

Definition of Ninjutsu:
is a term referring to almost any technique which allows the user to do something that they otherwise would be incapable of doing.

ability=ninjutsu

mokuton ability= mokuton ninjutsu. so obito can mokuton ninjutsu, end of thread.

 

[Trollasaur]

That's raw chakra not being molded in your body? While it's interesting you bring that up. The chakra is being pumped out side of the body, so it's hardly necessary to mold chakra inside the body. That's what the hand signs do. :|

I do not comprehend what you just said.

 

[Multiply]

Bro, Danzo's implantment = Hashirama's dna. Which includes Mokuton. Same for Obito, but Mokuton "ninjutsu" are the techniques That Obito, Yamato,Madara, and Hashirama.

Mokuton is simply a KKG that combines Earth and water to make wood. However due to Hashirama's dna, which enables people to use mokuton and has senju dna in it.. it can power up people or in some cases eyes.


If my post sounded confusing I'm sorry.

But clarify for me the main point of the thread.

The main point is to outline the difference between Mokuton Abilities and Mokuton Ninjutsu. Mokuton abilities is simply using Hashi's cells to bring forth trees and roots. Mokuton ninjutsu is the use of the kekkei genkai. It's the ability to use hands signs and the ninjutsu it comes with. Rather than just saying, oh I want a tree, and put some hashi cells in your hands. Then grow a tree off of your hands. A mokuton ninjutsu would simply do hand signs and a tree would come out of the designated place.

 

[Trollasaur]

If one has mastery over ninjutsu it no longer requires handsigns.

Obito being able to grow trees is a hand sign less ninjutsu thats all it is and it is very barebones and non complex. Trying to find a way to word this right.

Wood release is the ablity to do wood style ninjutsu anything that has to do with growing a tree out of your booty pipe is a ninjutsu

 

[Multiply]

If one has mastery over ninjutsu it no longer requires handsigns.

Obito being able to grow trees is a hand sign less ninjutsu thats all it is and it is very barebones and non complex. Trying to find a way to word this right.

Listen... Look at this scan.

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Notice Zetsu's remark. Why has he just said that? Obito was using mokuton abilities before. Why make that remark now? Simple, he wasn't using a jutsu before. He was simply bringing vines out of his body. The Sashiki no Jutsu refers to Obito throwing the mokuton into his victim. He then activates his jutsu, which makes the mokuton expand into several spikes. Destroying the victims body. That's a jutsu. Not making vines come out of Hashi's cells.


Edit: Also, to your mastery comment. Notice Zetsu's comment again.

 

[Trollasaur]

Listen... Look at this scan.

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Notice Zetsu's remark. Why has he just said that? Obito was using mokuton abilities before. Why make that remark now? Simple, he wasn't using a jutsu before. He was simply bringing vines out of his body. The Sashiki no Jutsu refers to Obito throwing the mokuton into his victim. He then activates his jutsu, which makes the mokuton expand into several spikes. Destroying the victims body. That's a jutsu. Not making vines come out of Hashi's cells.

He growed vines out of his body the same exact thing he was doing, but this time the vines attacked someone it's still the same tech by the way Im looking at it. He also didnt do a single handsign. Now shoo and stop it *_*

 

[Multiply]

He growed vines out of his body the same exact thing he was doing, but this time the vines attacked someone it's still the same tech by the way Im looking at it. He also didnt do a single handsign. Now shoo and stop it *_*

LMAO. You're delusional.

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Bottom left panel... gg to you my friend

 

[Trollasaur]

LMAO. You're delusional.

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Bottom left panel... gg to you my friend

Oh sheeit, I don't get how I'm delusional if you didn't post that scan earlier. Oh well my still argument stands. It's just a more complex version of the other "ablity" because it's molded. Thus requring him to concetrate more. But if you want to say that the growing a tree out of your ass isn't ninjutsu then go ahead, I simply disagree and many other people disagree too I am sure.

 

[Multiply]

Oh sheeit, didn't see that. Oh well my argument stands.

Ha ha, well debated though. I don't see how it still stands, I've blown a hole the size of the hole in Obito's chest.

 

[Booker]

Wrong.

Mokuton in itself is Ninjutsu. Doesn't matter how it's formed by the shinobi, Mokuton is Ninjutsu.

 

[KingHashirama]

The main point is to outline the difference between Mokuton Abilities and Mokuton Ninjutsu. Mokuton abilities is simply using Hashi's cells to bring forth trees and roots. Mokuton ninjutsu is the use of the kekkei genkai. It's the ability to use hands signs and the ninjutsu it comes with. Rather than just saying, oh I want a tree, and put some hashi cells in your hands. Then grow a tree off of your hands. A mokuton ninjutsu would simply do hand signs and a tree would come out of the designated place.

hmm. But they are one and the same the way you describe them. Ninjutsu is the ability of mokuton. The growing of trees from your hand would be mokuton ninjutsu. Ninjutsu doesn't always require the use of hand seals.

Mokuton is a KKG like the Rinnegan, where a person can use ninjutsu. Though the KKG themselves aren't ninjutsu.

But i think i get what your trying to say. But most of that has to do with Hashirama's cells, not strictly Mokuton.

 

[Multiply]

Wrong.

Mokuton in itself is Ninjutsu. Doesn't matter how it's formed by the shinobi, Mokuton is Ninjutsu.

While that could be true, Danzo doesn't have Earth and Water nature types. He simply activated Hashi's cells to create this pseudo-mokuton ability. Nor does Obito. However it seems, the user of this pseudo-mokuton can create mokuton jutsu if zetsu is attached to them. That is the only explanaton. Otherwise, mokuton can't be a kekkei genkai.

 

[KingHashirama]

While that could be true, Danzo doesn't have Earth and Water nature types. He simply activated Hashi's cells to create this pseudo-mokuton ability. Nor does Obito. However it seems, the user of this pseudo-mokuton can create mokuton jutsu if zetsu is attached to them. That is the only explanaton. Otherwise, mokuton can't be a kekkei genkai.

Obito does have Suiton and earth affinities. Due to Mokuton being part of his body.

 

[Booker]

hmm. But they are one and the same the way you describe them. Ninjutsu is the ability of mokuton. The growing of trees from your hand would be mokuton ninjutsu. Ninjutsu doesn't always require the use of hand seals.

This, so hard.

It completely derails your thread. Not all Ninjutsu requires handseals.

Gaara's sand, Kamui, Amaterasu, Susano'o, Rasengan, all do not require handseals, and neither does Mokuton.

While that could be true, Danzo doesn't have Earth and Water nature types. He simply activated Hashi's cells to create this pseudo-mokuton ability. Nor does Obito. However it seems, the user of this pseudo-mokuton can create mokuton jutsu if zetsu is attached to them. That is the only explanaton. Otherwise, mokuton can't be a kekkei genkai.

You don't understand.

When Danzo/Obito were given the cells of the 1st Hokage, they were given the KKG of Mokuton and wood release.

You realize Yamato only has wood release because of Hashi's cells, right? Hashi's cells give you access to the KKG ninjutsu of Mokuton.

 

[Trollasaur]

This, so hard.

It completely derails your thread. Not all Ninjutsu requires handseals.

Gaara's sand, Kamui, Amaterasu, Susano'o, Rasengan, all do not require handseals, and neither does Mokuton.

I said this so many times

 

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Obito does have Suiton and earth affinities. Due to Mokuton being part of his body.

So you're saying half his body is Doton and Suiton, while the other half is Katon. You can't actually be serious?

This, so hard.

It completely derails your thread. Not all Ninjutsu requires handseals.

Gaara's sand, Kamui, Amaterasu, Susano'o, Rasengan, all do not require handseals, and neither does Mokuton.

Not requiring hand signs has already been addressed. Re-read my posts.