Minato vs Bee and Ay

[A v i]

@Jimmie:

I have discussed this with a friend of mine in NB and he agreed with me and he gave me new arguments to support my point:

As I have already pointed out the

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.See,Regardless of whether it is a tree or EDO tensei their

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.Despite of clearly being inside of the impact of the jutsu u can clearly see some trees (others are sent away from that location)whose bodies are intact around Bee and not even EDO bodies were effected/destroyed by that attack and the fact that we can't see any signs of EDO bodies regenarating clearly proves this.

You might ask me that why Bee managed to seperate trees from the ground? Yes, Bee seperated them from ground because trees would try to witstand the impact of justu since they can't move/they are connected to the ground so due to strong force of wind they'll get seperated from ground.You can see trees were forcefully pulled out from ground along with roots &

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which proves that this attack is similar to wind stroms.Once they are seperated from ground they'll fly along with the wind so they have no need to go against/withstand the attack hence their bodies (trunk,branchs etc) are intact.As you already know a wind storm won't do anything to small objects as they won't oppose its flow.They'll follow the path of wind and here Kunai'll do the same.That wind force is strong enough to make trees fly like a bird so same thing will happen to kunai as they are too small and they can't withstand the impact like trees.Last but not the least Yagura's staff was was clearly intact as you can see

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[RustledJimmies]

Well,Iam talking practically it is not like Iam saying your biased and not smart.It won't take years to say someone is smart or not.Your definitely smart, I can say that just by looking at your posts but you being smarter than any other member of base is a different story & it is more practical to say that there are people that are smarter than you than to say that your smarter than everyone else which is why I said somthing like that,that's it.I have never implied that you were not smart so plz don't misunderstand my point.Sorry for any missunderstandings.

No problem bro .

@Jimmie:

I have discussed this with a friend of mine in NB and he agreed with me and he gave me new arguments to support my point:

As I have already pointed out the trees and Jinchuriki's were sent away/pulled backwards due to aircurrents.See,Regardless of whether it is a tree or EDO tensei their actual bodies are intact .Despite of clearly being inside of the impact of the jutsu u can clearly see some trees (others are sent away from that location)whose bodies are intact around Bee and not even EDO bodies were effected/destroyed by that attack and the fact that we can't see any signs of EDO bodies regenarating clearly proves this.

You might ask me that why Bee managed to seperate trees from the ground? Yes, Bee seperated them from ground because trees would try to witstand the impact of justu since they can't move/they are connected to the ground so due to strong force of wind they'll get seperated from ground.You can see trees were forcefully pulled out from ground along with roots & whole body of tree being intact which proves that this attack is similar to wind stroms.Once they are seperated from ground they'll fly along with the wind so they have no need to go against/withstand the attack hence their bodies (trunk,branchs etc) are intact.As you already know a wind storm won't do anything to small objects as they won't oppose its flow.They'll follow the path of wind and here Kunai'll do the same.That wind force is strong enough to make trees fly like a bird so same thing will happen to kunai as they are too small and they can't withstand the impact like trees.Last but not the least Yagura's staff was was clearly intact as you can see here.

I thought that you didn't want to waste any more time in this , well whatever

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as you can see there's only two fallen trees here , the others are completely absent in the scan , either they magically disappeared or they were obliterated , the Edo's were only been shown sent away during the impact , we didn't see whether they regenerated or not , that happened off-panel , as you can see the same panel that I linked you to the blast has already stopped and still the Edo's are knocked unconscious , as Edo's don't feel pain and the only times we're shown Edo's unconscious is when they are regenerating , so it's suggested that they regenerated though it happened off-panel .

In the scan shown above the trees are completely absent with the exception of two trees , and like I said before , either they magically disappeared or they were obliterated , Yagura's staff is summoned by Edo just like his clothes , etc. so ofc it will look intact .

 

[Sennin of Logic]

A said no one could Touch Minato and that he didn't think there was any shinobi who could surpass him. So it's obvious that by Ay's assessment, Minato's superior to both him and Bee.

 

[A v i]

I thought that you didn't want to waste any more time in this , well whatever

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as you can see there's only two fallen trees here , the others are completely absent in the scan , either they magically disappeared or they were obliterated , the Edo's were only been shown sent away during the impact , we didn't see whether they regenerated or not , that happened off-panel , as you can see the same panel that I linked you to the blast has already stopped and still the Edo's are knocked unconscious , as Edo's don't feel pain and the only times we're shown Edo's unconscious is when they are regenerating , so it's suggested that they regenerated though it happened off-panel .

In the scan shown above the trees are completely absent with the exception of two trees , and like I said before , either they magically disappeared or they were obliterated , Yagura's staff is summoned by Edo just like his clothes , etc. so ofc it will look intact .

I said that because if we argue with eachother then it would be nothing more than time waste of time but this time I have gathred opinion of someone else.

I have already mentioned it in my post,Those trees were sent away from the battle field which is why .If the all those trees are really destroyed by Bee then we should be able to see the remains such are branches,leaves of those trees as there is noway in hell for a vortex of wind to turn trees into dust like a bomb. And not that staff wasn't summoned by EDO tensei it was the original deal.Regardless of whether it is a human or a thing,everything summoned by

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.As you can see in that post even Tobirama's headband has cracks on it but we can't find any on Yagura's staff{

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}.Kabuto not only collected the DNA's of his EDO's but their

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Yes,EDO bodies whould feel pain as you

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.Hachimaki's effect is more like a sensation than a physical attack for EDO's for example when we revolve around our self or someone did it to you like

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then you'll lose control over your body for a while due to strange sensation(I don't know the name) and that is what happend to EDO's and no that's wasn't off panel it was right after the attack and there are no signs of EDO's being regenarated.Even if we assume EDO's were regenerated off panel EDO's would only remain unconscious while they were being regenerated and they'll wake up right after the completion of regeneration but there are no signs of regenaration but they are still not conscious which proves that they suffering the effect of vortex and there is noway in hell for EDO's to regenerate that quickly if Bee attack really strong enough to turn trees into dust as u were implying.

 

[RustledJimmies]

I said that because if we argue with eachother then it would be nothing more than time waste of time but this time I have gathred opinion of someone else.

I have already mentioned it in my post,Those trees were sent away from the battle field which is why .If the all those trees are really destroyed by Bee then we should be able to see the remains such are branches,leaves of those trees as there is noway in hell for a vortex of wind to turn trees into dust like a bomb. And not that staff wasn't summoned by EDO tensei it was the original deal.Regardless of whether it is a human or a thing, everything summoned by

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. As you can see in that post even Tobirama's headband has cracks on it but we can't find any on Yagura's staff{

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}{

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}.Kabuto not only collected the DNA's of his EDO's but their

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.
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Yes,EDO bodies whould feel pain as you

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.Hachimaki's effect is more like a sensation than a physical attack for EDO's for example when we revolve around our self or someone did it to you like

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then you'll lose control over your body for a while due to strange sensation(I don't know the name) and that is what happend to EDO's and no that's wasn't off panel it was right after the attack and there are no signs of EDO's being regenarated.Even if we assume EDO's were regenerated off panel EDO's would only remain unconscious while they were being regenerated and they'll wake up right after the completion of regeneration but there are no signs of regenaration but they are still not conscious which proves that they suffering the effect of vortex and there is noway in hell for EDO's to regenerate that quickly if Bee attack really strong enough to turn trees into dust as u were implying.

Then where were they sent ?? to nothingness ?? the fact that we don't see branches , etc. just means that they were completely obliterated , it doesn't mean that they weren't destroyed .
Bold is false

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in one of those scans Roshi doesn't have any cracks as well , does that mean he wasn't summoned by Edo ?? weapons have been shown to be summoned along with the user unless they are already in someone else's possession , which explains why Zabuza ( whose weapon was previously in Suigetsu's possession ) had his Kubikiribocho before the other Swordsmen ( because Kabuto had already collected Suigetsu's blade ) , who needed to summon it in battle , this also explains why Minato had his Kunai's when he was revived , as his Kunai are special , I doubt he would find them in the way to the battlefield , we didn't see Oro collecting anything either .

That means nothing , the only thing that's happening there is that he is being blinded by the light from Hakugeki and his hearing was disturbed by the sound , he is not in pain or anything . Edo's try to regenerate even while taking damage

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, so yeah they can regenerate while still taking damage , but slower , once the attack stops taking effect they can quickly regenerate like you can also see in the latest scan that i've shown .

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato made then look like clowns the last time. He even told the rest of his team to back off while he handled those 2, then showed mercy to Bee. Ay should have died though, luckily for him his bro had his back.

Minato dances round them with FTG.

 

[KidGamer65]

Just waiting on anyone to actually tell us how Minato actually wins this.....

 

[KCN]

Just waiting on anyone to actually tell us how Minato actually wins this.....

ay's useless. minato's outmaneuvered him already and that was with no knowledge. after the initial blitz minato was as cool as cucumber. i dont see what ay can do here.

if bee enters bm and fires off damas hes a fool. minato redirects that right back at him. sure bee has already tanked one, but he was seriously hurt and as far as memory serves he was out of commission for a while

v1 and v2 modes are useless as minato has the ability to seal chakra. if bee stays base, he gets merked.

 

[KidGamer65]

ay's useless. minato's outmaneuvered him already and that was with no knowledge. after the initial blitz minato was as cool as cucumber. i dont see what ay can do here.

if bee enters bm and fires off damas hes a fool. minato redirects that right back at him. sure bee has already tanked one, but he was seriously hurt and as far as memory serves he was out of commission for a while

v1 and v2 modes are useless as minato has the ability to seal chakra. if bee stays base, he gets merked.

B knows Minato can redirect Bijuu Dama without contact, so there is no way he'd fire a Bijuu Dama at him carelessly. Even if intel is set to what it was during his manga encounter with Minato, redirecting Bijuu Dama at B would only lead to him getting caught in the blast.

Minato hasn't shown the ability to cancel a Perfect Jin's transformation via a seal. Minato's only chance is to hit B with his own Bijuu Dama, and that can only happen in a non intel situation.

 

[KCN]

B knows Minato can redirect Bijuu Dama without contact, so there is no way he'd fire a Bijuu Dama at him carelessly. Even if intel is set to what it was during his manga encounter with Minato, redirecting Bijuu Dama at B would only lead to him getting caught in the blast.

Minato hasn't shown the ability to cancel a Perfect Jin's transformation via a seal. Minato's only chance is to hit B with his own Bijuu Dama, and that can only happen in a non intel situation.

lets be serious here bro. minato's wife was a jinchuriki. hes battled bee numerous times. he created rasengan based on the bijuudama. hes battled kurama. hes experienced juubidamas. minato knows its detonation range enough to know a safe place away from the hidden leaf. he will spread markings before anything. whether that be through clones, himself, or his summons.

- chiyo says if a equally powerful seal or stronger is used the seal is disturbed

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. minatos is stronger.

this could one shot.

he also sealed kushinas and his own chakra in naruto. he has the ability to seal chakra so i fail to see why it wouldnt work on bee when even samehada was able to absorb bee's hachibi chakra.

 

[KidGamer65]

lets be serious here bro. minato's wife was a jinchuriki. hes battled bee numerous times. he created rasengan based on the bijuudama. hes battled kurama. hes experienced juubidamas. minato knows its detonation range enough to know a safe place away from the hidden leaf. he will spread markings before anything. whether that be through clones, himself, or his summons.

Then I guess he could escape it.

- chiyo says if a equally powerful seal or stronger is used the seal is disturbed

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. minatos is stronger.

this could one shot.

Except Minato can't use his Four Symbols or Eight Trigrams unless he is actually sealing something away, and he has nothing to seal. So the seal can't even be used.

he also sealed kushinas and his own chakra in naruto. he has the ability to seal chakra so i fail to see why it wouldnt work on bee when even samehada was able to absorb bee's hachibi chakra.

Taking his own chakra and Kushina's chakra (through unknown means, not to mention it was willing) isn't the same as completely sealing the Hachibi's chakra so that he can't access it or use it.

 

[KCN]

Then I guess he could escape it.



Except Minato can't use his Four Symbols or Eight Trigrams unless he is actually sealing something away, and he has nothing to seal. So the seal can't even be used.




Taking his own chakra and Kushina's chakra (through unknown means, not to mention it was willing) isn't the same as completely sealing the Hachibi's chakra so that he can't access it or use it.

that isnt the point. the seal can still be utilized

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As the result of a fuuinjutsu, a sealing formula is carved into, for instance, a human body or an object. The "Four Images Seal" is one of these. This sealing formula is mainly used when a giant enemy or evil spirit needs to be sealed. To use it, it is necessary for the user to have great ability. In Naruto, two of these "Four Images Seals" have been carved. This is called an "Eight Trigrams Sealing-style"*.

all hed have to do is carve the image and it will be disturbed. sure its unorthodox but i fail to see why it wont work.

why is it not the same? chakra is chakra. samehada could absorb it. so why cant minato seal it?

you also tell me how minato loses.

 

[KidGamer65]

that isnt the point. the seal can still be utilized

Spoiler

As the result of a fuuinjutsu, a sealing formula is carved into, for instance, a human body or an object. The "Four Images Seal" is one of these. This sealing formula is mainly used when a giant enemy or evil spirit needs to be sealed. To use it, it is necessary for the user to have great ability. In Naruto, two of these "Four Images Seals" have been carved. This is called an "Eight Trigrams Sealing-style"*.

all hed have to do is carve the image and it will be disturbed. sure its unorthodox but i fail to see why it wont work.

Wrong. The forumla is carved as the result of the Fuinjutsu as stated in your spoiler tag. If the fuinjutsu can't be resolved, then the marking won't be formed.

why is it not the same? chakra is chakra. samehada could absorb it. so why cant minato seal it?

Samehada has nothing to do with Minato's or anyone's sealing jutsu. What do you mean why? Sealing a part of Kushina's chakra in Naruto (Along with his own) doesn't mean that he can seal Hachibi's chakra so that B can't access it at all. These two things aren't even related at all besides the fact that they are chakra. What he is doing in both cases isn't the same, not even close.

you also tell me how minato loses.

I'm on the fence here.

 

[Latios]

that isnt the point. the seal can still be utilized

Spoiler

As the result of a fuuinjutsu, a sealing formula is carved into, for instance, a human body or an object. The "Four Images Seal" is one of these. This sealing formula is mainly used when a giant enemy or evil spirit needs to be sealed. To use it, it is necessary for the user to have great ability. In Naruto, two of these "Four Images Seals" have been carved. This is called an "Eight Trigrams Sealing-style"*.

all hed have to do is carve the image and it will be disturbed. sure its unorthodox but i fail to see why it wont work.

why is it not the same? chakra is chakra. samehada could absorb it. so why cant minato seal it?

you also tell me how minato loses.

He can't seal it right off the bat. He needs time...

 

[Beans2]

Uh, guys, just clarifying, Bee does not have Samehada...

 

[KCN]

Wrong. The forumla is carved as the result of the Fuinjutsu as stated in your spoiler tag. If the fuinjutsu can't be resolved, then the marking won't be formed.


Samehada has nothing to do with Minato's or anyone's sealing jutsu. What do you mean why? Sealing a part of Kushina's chakra in Naruto (Along with his own) doesn't mean that he can seal Hachibi's chakra so that B can't access it at all. These two things aren't even related at all besides the fact that they are chakra. What he is doing in both cases isn't the same, not even close.



I'm on the fence here.

i guess you are correct on the matter. minato may not be able to seal bees chakra or disturb his seal (if he enters full 8 though it can happen). minatos going to have to either tag him in base or destroy him in full 8. ay cant do shit.

He can't seal it right off the bat. He needs time...

im not saying minato seals him im saying he can disturb his seal

 

[Latios]

i guess you are correct on the matter. minato may not be able to seal bees chakra or disturb his seal (if he enters full 8 though it can happen). minatos going to have to either tag him in base or destroy him in full 8. ay cant do shit.



im not saying minato seals him im saying he can disturb his seal

He can't seal him while in Initial Transformation

Even if it disrupts the seal it won't do anything.

 

[KCN]

He can't seal him while in Initial Transformation

Even if it disrupts the seal it won't do anything.

im aware now

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Just waiting on anyone to actually tell us how Minato actually wins this.....

Well Bee isn't all that durable in biju mode and Minato's cut through his tentacles and so has Obito with ninja tools.

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So Bee's flesh is by no means impenetrable. Minato could slash at Bee's neck. Anything weaker gets giant ransenganed or sage art: ransenganed once Ay's out of the way. There's also that "other" jutsu Mianto mentioned which he thought could create an opening against Obito.

 

[eagle8]

Minato Wins