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Make it Fair and add Kushina the Red Hot Habenero and The Yellow Flash stomp them. Kushina hair has 9 Tails....
 

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Minato as way to fast for them an he can out smart both of them
 

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How exactly that attack can do anything to a random kunai? Is that a bomb to turn everything into dust?Since when does spinning around can cause explosions? As I already said above the best Bee's spinning can do to Minato's kunai is to send they away.They'll remain intact even after the attack unless u can prove me that spinning can cause explosions.

Not sure if serious ...

If u read those posts carefully u can clearly see the counters.

Let me put everything in a place for u:
Case:1)Bee and Minato with Bunta faces eachother and Bee uses TBB on Minato.

If he uses TBB on bunta then Minato uses S/T Barrier on TBB > Marks bunta> Asks him to return to myoboku > Releases TBB near the kunai nearest to Bee then teleports to myoboku right after releasing the TBB > Bee eats his own TBB.


Note:Bee won't use Hachimaki in this case so Minato has kunai near Bee





Case:2) Bee uses Hachimaki.

Using Hachimaki ain't going to stop Minato from teleporting to his kunais and infact Bee is actually helping Minato by sending kunais over a wide area so that Minato can deal with TBB's without much difficulty and for Minato escaping Hachimaki: Minato obviously summons bunta right after Bee entering BM so he can simply mark Bunta and teleport to myoboku b4 Bee going crazy then return to the battle as he has kunai all over the battle field

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He can just use food cart destroyer on Bee b4 he can use it.

NOTE:Hachimaki ain't going to destroy Kunai unless u can prove me that it was a explosion.





Case:3)Minato returs to the battle field from Myobaku after countering Hachimaki and Bee uses TBB on Minato. *Which means that Minato has marking on one of his toads at myobaku and kunai all over the battle field and they covers super wide range as Bee's Hachimaki sends them towords all directions*



1.I gave u more than one counter for that as well. Since Kunai of Minato were spread all over the battle field thanks to Bee's spinning (according to our previous argument) Minato has no need to teleport TBB's he can simply teleport himself to different kunais in battle field.

2.He can simply teleport to myobaku as he has marking on one of his toads(according to our previous argument).If anything it'll be Bee who is wasting his chkara with TBB's here.

^^^Those two counters are incase Bee uses TBB on Minato even b4 Minato can get near Bee.

3.Since he returned from myobaku to battle field he should reach Bee location to fight him and if he really managed to get near Bee then he'll spam kunais near Bee and now if Bee uses TBB then Minato uses it against Bee then teleports to on his kunai in that battle field.




What can Minato do if Bee uses TBB?
What can Minato do if Bee uses spinning?
What can Minato do if Bee uses TBB after Spinning?

I hope I managed to cover everything.

^^They aren't even that hard to understand.

Case 1 : Because Bee will just sit there and wait for Minato to spread his Kunai and Summon Bunta and mark him , right ??

Case 2 : Since when are explosions necessary to destroy a Kunai ?? :| Kunai's have forest level durability now ?? Kunai's are getting destroyed , why don't you show me Kunai's durability then ??

He'll have to catch Bee by surprise here to use Food cart destroyer , which is not happening since this is a 1v1 fight .

Case 3 : every single one of your counters for Bijuu Hachimaki are assuming that his Kunai's won't be destroyed , because apparently ONLY explosions are capable of destroying a Kunai , even though a Kunai was destroyed by merely making contact with Susano'o

your TBB counter heavily depends if Bee sits there and wait for Minato to prep his Kunai's , markings , etc .
your Bijuu Hachimaki counter is simply you saying that something that wrecked a forest isn't going to destroy a Kunai , even though they were already fodderized by Susano'o .
same as above

You TRIED to cover everything , except the most important part : how is Minato defeating Bee ??
 

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Not sure if serious.
Same here.Insted of talking this,Why don't your bring me proofs that suggests that Bee's spinning can completly destroy Kunai's?

Case 1 : Because Bee will just sit there and wait for Minato to spread his Kunai and Summon Bunta and mark him , right ??

What can he do? Is there any attack from Bee that can stop Minato from spamming kunai? Hachimaki isn't an attack that takes effect instantaneously.Minato summons Bunta the very movement Bee enters BM so everything Minato needs to do after Bee starting his attack is to tag Bunta and get the hell out of the battle field.Bee ain't going to stop it.

Case 2 : Since when are explosions necessary to destroy a Kunai ?? :| Kunai's have forest level durability now ?? Kunai's are getting destroyed , why don't you show me Kunai's durability then ??
Dafaq? How in blue hell can Bee spinning can do anything to something as small as a kunai? It is like saying that Tsunami can destroy screw driver because it can wipeout buildings.All Bee's spinning can do is to send away everything within the radius of the attack. during the attack,the impact of Bee's spinning is sending them away and kunai are no exception.

He'll have to catch Bee by surprise here to use Food cart destroyer , which is not happening since this is a 1v1 fight .
I said Minato uses FCD when Bee gets ready to use Hachimaki which means that which means that Minato can easily use FTD.Hell,this guy used FCD on Kyuubi even b4 it can pull a TBB and your telling me that he can't pull that feat here?

Case 3 : every single one of your counters for Bijuu Hachimaki are assuming that his Kunai's won't be destroyed , because apparently ONLY explosions are capable of destroying a Kunai , even though a Kunai was destroyed by merely making contact with Susano'o

Not sure how this is relevant here and it not just a touch for crying out loud.Danzo was clearly pushing it.We are not debating about how durable those kunais are,here the point is Bee's spinning won't effect something as small as kunai and everything it can do here is sending them away.

your TBB counter heavily depends if Bee sits there and wait for Minato to prep his Kunai's , markings , etc .
your Bijuu Hachimaki counter is simply you saying that something that wrecked a forest isn't going to destroy a Kunai , even though they were already fodderized by Susano'o .
same as above
Minato don't have to prepare kunai as he always carries shit load of prepared kunai and why don't u tell what Bee can do to stop Minato insted of saying that Bee won't sit there? Ok,I know that Bee won't sit there,no one is stupid enough to sit there and let your opponent kill you but what'll Bee do to stop Minato?That is what important here.

You TRIED to cover everything , except the most important part : how is Minato defeating Bee ??
Why should I cover that part? I don't remeber saying that Minato beats Bee,go and read all of my posts again,Everything I have been doing is posting counters for ur arguments that's it.Iam not interested in how Bee beats Minato or how Minato beats Bee.
 
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Same here.Insted of talking this,Why don't your bring me proofs that suggests that Bee's spinning can completly destroy Kunai's?



What can he do? Is there any attack from Bee that can stop Minato from spamming kunai? Hachimaki isn't an attack that takes effect instantaneously.Minato summons Bunta the very movement Bee enters BM so everything Minato needs to do after Bee starting his attack is to tag Bunta and get the hell out of the battle field.Bee ain't going to stop it.


Dafaq? How in blue hell can Bee spinning can do anything to something as small as a kunai? It is like saying that Tsunami can destroy screw driver because it can wipeout buildings.All Bee's spinning can do is to send away everything within the radius of the attack. during the attack,the impact of Bee's spinning is sending them away and kunai are no exception.


I said Minato uses FCD when Bee gets ready to use Hachimaki which means that which means that Minato can easily use FTD.Hell,this guy used FCD on Kyuubi even b4 it can pull a TBB and your telling me that he can't pull that feat here?



Not sure how this is relevant here and it not just a touch for crying out loud.Danzo was clearly pushing it.We are not debating about how durable those kunais are,here the point is Bee's spinning won't effect something as small as kunai and everything it can do here is sending them away.


Minato don't have to prepare kunai as he always carries shit load of prepared kunai and why don't u tell what Bee can do to stop Minato insted of saying that Bee won't sit there? Ok,I know that Bee won't sit there,no one is stupid enough to sit there and let your opponent kill you but what'll Bee do to stop Minato?That is what important here.


Why should I cover that part? I don't remeber saying that Minato beats Bee,go and read all of my posts again,Everything I have been doing is posting counters for ur arguments that's it.Iam not interested in how Bee beats Minato or how Minato beats Bee.

He can obviously go BM and use Continuous BD (which has already been shown to be faster than a charged one) before Minato spreads his Kunai all over the battlefield , summon Bunta and mark him .

Are we really comparing Kunai's to Edo bodies ?? Seriously ??

I'm pretty sure Minato and Bunta will be smart enough to keep the distance instead of walking straight into a hurricane , if he or bunta comes close , they will die . Kyuubi wasn't fighting them 1v1 , in fact Kyuubi wasn't fighting them at all , they attacked Kyuubi by surprise .

It's relevant because Susano'o wan't even being used offensively , it's defense alone was enough to fodderize that Kunai , yet you say that Bijuu Hachimaki won't ...

I didn't say he would have to mark his Kunai's , i said prep them , with prep them , i mean for example spreading them , as for your question , read above .

So you do agree that Bee solo's xd .
 

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I Don't See how Minato Defeats or Kills Killer B. Minato lacks the firepower.Killer B in in my eyes takes this alone but I could be easily swayed with a convincing argument in why it would take the two of them and how Minato ends Killer B.
 

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He can obviously go BM and use Continuous BD (which has already been shown to be faster than a charged one) before Minato spreads his Kunai all over the battlefield , summon Bunta and mark him .

So your thing Minato can't left a bunch of Kunai in battle field and summon bunta b4 Bee can enter SM and shoot multiple TBB?Lmao,like seriously? He can sit on top of Bee even B4 Bee can pull a TBB let alone multiple TBB. He don't have to spread kunai all over the battle field all he needs to do is to leave a bunch of em near Bee.

Are we really comparing Kunai's to Edo bodies ?? Seriously ??
Seriously I have grown sick of this,I have already told you that it is not a matter of durability,Kunai are very small things and it won't effect them.Iam not saying that kunai can tank it coz EDO bodies tanked it,my point is that the attack'll send them away like it did to EDO's and trees within the radius of the attack.Do u even know what kind of attack this spinning is?It just creats hugeass wind currents that can send away everything within it's radius.Have you even seen a wind wave destroying a kunai? A wind strom can destroy homes and shit but leave a screwdriver in same wind strom,what'll happen? Can that wind strong destroy it?

If you still doubt it,find 3 people in our base with good knowlegde on manga and ask them.If they think that this attack effects kunai then I'll definitely admit that Iam wrong.

I'm pretty sure Minato and Bunta will be smart enough to keep the distance instead of walking straight into a hurricane , if he or bunta comes close , they will die . Kyuubi wasn't fighting them 1v1 , in fact Kyuubi wasn't fighting them at all , they attacked Kyuubi by surprise .
FCD,the attack itself is a surprise attack and why are you saying that Bunta'll maintain distance? Here my point is if Bee try to use Hachimaki at the beginning of the battle which means that Minato has no bunta then he'll sit on top of Bee with Bunta as he summons Bunta directly on top of bunta.Bunta appears out of nowhere so there is noway in hell for him to counter that attack.If Minato has Bunta even b4 Bee uses Hachimaki then Minato won't use FCD,he'll simply places a marking on Bunta then teleports away.


It's relevant because Susano'o wan't even being used offensively , it's defense alone was enough to fodderize that Kunai , yet you say that Bijuu Hachimaki won't .

Can't u see Danzo using it as an offence? He is pushing it as hard as he can to damage it & I have already told you that durability of kunai is irrelavent.

I didn't say he would have to mark his Kunai's , i said prep them , with prep them , i mean for example spreading them , as for your questi
on , read above .So you do agree that Bee solo's xd .
Your talking like as if it takes ages for Minato to spam kunai,it takes no time and none of Bee's attacks are fast enough to push him like that.If Minato has no marked kunai then Bee might be able to do something without them Bee ain't going to do anything.

I said Iam not interested that dosen't mean that Iam admitting anything here.Iam only quoting you just to tell you that your arguments won't on Minato.I would have did the same in case of Bee. I have my own opinion on this matter.
 
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Your talking like as if it takes ages for Minato to spam kunai,it takes no time and none of Bee's attacks are fast enough to push him like that.

Lol, yet you were telling me B would do the same exact thing against Tobirama...smh.
 

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Lol, yet you were telling me B would do the same exact thing against Tobirama...smh.

Your talking like as if it takes ages for Minato to spam kunai,it takes no time and none of Bee's attacks are fast enough to push him like that."If Minato has no marked kunai then Bee might be able to do something" without them Bee ain't going to do anything.

Seems like someone forgot to read that bold part.:p

Btw I want you to tell me whether u think Hachimaki can destroy Minato's kunai or not.As far as I know the best it can do is to send them away with the wind or impact(whatever it is)
 
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Minato dominates like in the manga, except this time he will go for the kill

A would have been killed here by Minato during the first exchange if not Bee's intervention(only time during the entire skirmich where he actually intended to kill)

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Still, his attack was able not only to cut Hachibi's tentacle but even creating a crater, indicating the power of the attack. A even himself acknowledge he was almost dead, reason why he says "sorry Bee"

But even in a 1vs2 configuration, Minato still had time to put a marking on a tentacle attack coming from behind. It happened so fast A couldn't even comprehend(just look how he was sweating)

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Bee on the other hand was already winded by that attack alone

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When Minato never even broke a sweat

With a marking on his body, Minato could have killed Bee anytime especially since it never disappears. Minato knew he marked Bee, but still preferred leaving leaving despite knowing he held the advantage

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Another proof he never intended to defeat the duo is instead of stabbing Bee with his hiraishin attack like he did against Obito for example, he did nothing else than just pointing his kunai above Bee's head in order to threaten the duo

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This again indicates that he had no grudge against the duo and found them sympathic more than anything else, reason why he didn't want to harm them

So basically in 2moves, he pressured A and Bee duo to the point that he could have killed them with every moves he made. When he wasn't even sweating, the duo was struggling to the point that they were hardly breathing. He got the best over them without even trying

Portrayal also puts him above the duo with A thinking he is unsurpassable when Bee sweating just by hearing his name decades after his death. According to A, Minato used to fight the duo multiple times when he was alive, yet he was thought as an unsurpassable dude, kind of showing how dominating he was in their confrontations
 

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So your thing Minato can't left a bunch of Kunai in battle field and summon bunta b4 Bee can enter SM and shoot multiple TBB?Lmao,like seriously? He can sit on top of Bee even B4 Bee can pull a TBB let alone multiple TBB. He don't have to spread kunai all over the battle field all he needs to do is to leave a bunch of em near Bee.

It surely takes more time then it takes for Bee to go BM , he doesn't need a charged TBB to kill Bunta , 4 Continuous Bijuu Dama's will do it , and yes 4 continuous TBB's have already been shown to take less time to throw than one charged TBB

Seriously I have grown sick of this,I have already told you that it is not a matter of durability,Kunai are very small things and it won't effect them.Iam not saying that kunai can tank it coz EDO bodies tanked it,my point is that the attack'll send them away like it did to EDO's and trees within the radius of the attack.Do u even know what kind of attack this spinning is?It just creats hugeass wind currents that can send away everything within it's radius.Have you even seen a wind wave destroying a kunai? A wind strom can destroy homes and shit but leave a screwdriver in same wind strom,what'll happen? Can that wind strong destroy it?

If you still doubt it,find 3 people in our base with good knowlegde on manga and ask them.If they think that this attack effects kunai then I'll definitely admit that Iam wrong.

Everything you're saying is that the Kunai are too small to be destroyed by Bijuu Hachimaki , even though manga has shown on multiple occasions that Kunai's durability is fodder level

FCD,the attack itself is a surprise attack and why are you saying that Bunta'll maintain distance? Here my point is if Bee try to use Hachimaki at the beginning of the battle which means that Minato has no bunta then he'll sit on top of Bee with Bunta as he summons Bunta directly on top of bunta.Bunta appears out of nowhere so there is noway in hell for him to counter that attack.If Minato has Bunta even b4 Bee uses Hachimaki then Minato won't use FCD,he'll simply places a marking on Bunta then teleports away.

and how the **** is Minato/Bunta attack him by surprise if this is a 1v1 fight ?? Bunta doesn't appear out of nowhere , he appeared out of nowhere against Kyuubi because Minato warped there , and Kyuubi was distracted fighting Konoha shinobi , he's gonna summon Bunta on top of Bee even though he doesn't start on top of Bee himself ?? because Minato will survive at least 3 seconds if he gets any close from Bee , Correct ??

Can't u see Danzo using it as an offence? He is pushing it as hard as he can to damage it & I have already told you that durability of kunai is irrelavent.

I'm still trying to understand how is the Kunai's durability irrelevant .

Your talking like as if it takes ages for Minato to spam kunai,it takes no time and none of Bee's attacks are fast enough to push him like that.If Minato has no marked kunai then Bee might be able to do something without them Bee ain't going to do anything.

Because that's the only thing he needs to do if he hopes to survive at least 10 seconds in this fight , correct ??
 

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It surely takes more time then it takes for Bee to go BM , he doesn't need a charged TBB to kill Bunta , 4 Continuous Bijuu Dama's will do it , and yes 4 continuous TBB's have already been shown to take less time to throw than one charged TBB



Everything you're saying is that the Kunai are too small to be destroyed by Bijuu Hachimaki , even though manga has shown on multiple occasions that Kunai's durability is fodder level



and how the **** is Minato/Bunta attack him by surprise if this is a 1v1 fight ?? Bunta doesn't appear out of nowhere , he appeared out of nowhere against Kyuubi because Minato warped there , and Kyuubi was distracted fighting Konoha shinobi , he's gonna summon Bunta on top of Bee even though he doesn't start on top of Bee himself ?? because Minato will survive at least 3 seconds if he gets any close from Bee , Correct ??



I'm still trying to understand how is the Kunai's durability irrelevant .



Because that's the only thing he needs to do if he hopes to survive at least 10 seconds in this fight , correct ??

I don't want to waste anymore time of mine with this argument & I won't even read this post.Our whole argument revolves around whether Bee can destroy kunai or not and your not going to agree with me no matter what so plz ask 3 people of base about this if they agree with you then I'll definitely admit that Iam wrong and as a bonus I'll admit that Bee > Minato so plz come back after asking 3 people that you trust the most & they should have good knowledge on manga.

Iam ok with anyone exept Minato haters.
 
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I don't want to waste anymore time of mine with this argument & I won't even read this post.Our whole argument revolves around whether Bee can destroy kunai or not and your not going to agree with me no matter what so plz ask 3 people of base about this if they agree with you then I'll definitely admit that Iam wrong and as a bonus I'll admit that Bee > Minato so plz come back after asking 3 people that you trust the most & they should have good knowledge on manga.

Iam ok with anyone exept Minato haters.

It's ok , It's not like I'm forcing anyone to debate something with me , in fact I wasn't even the one who started this , I don't rely solely on other peope's opinion so I'm not going to ask people around if they agree with me or not , you're free to do it yourself if you want to , I'm not going to bother people with something that they're not even involved .

Nobody is hating anyone here , but Minato has simply no way to win this .
 

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Minato dominates like in the manga, except this time he will go for the kill

A would have been killed here by Minato during the first exchange if not Bee's intervention(only time during the entire skirmich where he actually intended to kill)

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Still, his attack was able not only to cut Hachibi's tentacle but even creating a crater, indicating the power of the attack. A even himself acknowledge he was almost dead, reason why he says "sorry Bee"

But even in a 1vs2 configuration, Minato still had time to put a marking on a tentacle attack coming from behind. It happened so fast A couldn't even comprehend(just look how he was sweating)

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Bee on the other hand was already winded by that attack alone

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When Minato never even broke a sweat

With a marking on his body, Minato could have killed Bee anytime especially since it never disappears. Minato knew he marked Bee, but still preferred leaving leaving despite knowing he held the advantage

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Another proof he never intended to defeat the duo is instead of stabbing Bee with his hiraishin attack like he did against Obito for example, he did nothing else than just pointing his kunai above Bee's head in order to threaten the duo

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This again indicates that he had no grudge against the duo and found them sympathic more than anything else, reason why he didn't want to harm them

So basically in 2moves, he pressured A and Bee duo to the point that he could have killed them with every moves he made. When he wasn't even sweating, the duo was struggling to the point that they were hardly breathing. He got the best over them without even trying

Portrayal also puts him above the duo with A thinking he is unsurpassable when Bee sweating just by hearing his name decades after his death. According to A, Minato used to fight the duo multiple times when he was alive, yet he was thought as an unsurpassable dude, kind of showing how dominating he was in their confrontations

Talk to em
 

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Minato mid diff.. ftg st rasengan sm > bee nd raikage
 

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It's ok , It's not like I'm forcing anyone to debate something with me , in fact I wasn't even the one who started this , I don't rely solely on other peope's opinion so I'm not going to ask people around if they agree with me or not , you're free to do it yourself if you want to , I'm not going to bother people with something that they're not even involved .

Nobody is hating anyone here , but Minato has simply no way to win this .

I didn't said that you were forcing me or anything,if it was the case I would have stopped replying ages ago.It is just we aren't going anywhere if we keep repeating same shit again & again.Onc of us must be wrong but we are not ready to accept the defeat here as both of us are so confident about our argument but that dosen't mean that we both are right so it is not a bad thing to ask others to judge us.I have considerable knowlegde on manga and I don't have to rely on others as well & everyone in base thinks like that, not just you and me but our current sittuation demands it.It is not like we are gods or anything to say that everything we belive is 100% accurate.There are 1000's of people in NB and alot of them are smarter and unbiased than you asw well as me so it is not a bad thing to rely on others.It isn't an insult or anything.

I would have did it but I thought that you won't accept it and thinks that Iam bringing Minato fanboys to support my claims and Ya I can say the same thing even if you bring someone here but I have been a member of base longer than you do so I have good idea of who is a hater and who is not which is why I decided to let you know it on your own.So if you don't mind i'll ask others opinion about this topic.I have already requsted KG65 to tell his opinion on this matter so let us wait for his rep and I'll ask some other members as well.

I wasn't referring to you and I don't even get what exactly made you think that that was directed towords you I was referring to the people that you are going to ask for help.
 
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I didn't said that you were forcing me or anything,if it was the case I would have stopped replying ages ago.It is just we aren't going anywhere if we keep repeating same shit again & again.Onc of us must be wrong but we are not ready to accept the defeat here as both of us are so confident about our argument but that dosen't mean that we both are right so it is not a bad thing to ask others to judge us.I have considerable knowlegde on manga and I don't have to rely on others as well & everyone in base thinks like that, not just you and me but our current sittuation demands it.It is not like we are gods or anything to say that everything we belive is 100% accurate.There are 1000's of people in NB and alot of them are smarter and unbiased than you asw well as me so it is not a bad thing to rely on others.It isn't an insult or anything.

I would have did it but I thought that you won't accept it and thinks that Iam bringing Minato fanboys to support my claims and Ya I can say the same thing even if you bring someone here but I have been a member of base longer than you do so I have good idea of who is a hater and who is not which is why I decided to let you know it on your own.So if you don't mind i'll ask others opinion about this topic.I have already requsted KG65 to tell his opinion on this matter so let us wait for his rep and I'll ask some other members as well.

I wasn't referring to you and I don't even get what exactly made you think that that was directed towords you I was referring to the people that you are going to ask for help.

I'm not saying it is an insult , I just don't see the need to bother someone with this , but if you already requested KG's opinion then it's ok , I trust his opinion , if he is ok with this then I don't see the need for asking anyone else as he is one of the most logical members here .

Another thing that caught my attention is that you said there's a lot of people " smarter and unbiased" than me , for smarter I don't see what makes you say that , as there's not even a month I'm here , so I fail to see how you guys would know so much about me , as for unbiased , I am not a fan or a hater of both characters so I don't see how my arguments would be in anyway biased .

Sorry , I misinterpreted your post here .
 
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Another thing that caught my attention is that you said there's a lot of people " smarter and unbiased" than me , for smarter I don't see what makes you say that , as there's not even a month I'm here , so I fail to see how you guys would know so much about me , as for unbiased , I am not a fan or a hater of both characters so I don't see how my arguments would be in anyway biased .

Well,Iam talking practically it is not like Iam saying your biased and not smart.It won't take years to say someone is smart or not.Your definitely smart, I can say that just by looking at your posts but you being smarter than any other member of base is a different story & it is more practical to say that there are people that are smarter than you than to say that your smarter than everyone else which is why I said somthing like that,that's it.I have never implied that you were not smart so plz don't misunderstand my point.Sorry for any missunderstandings.
 
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