Minato vs Ay (Speed)

[LuckyMan]

Some people believe Minato is faster than V2 Ay because Cee said Ays reflexes were on the same level of Minatos.

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Data book says Raiton Armor is still inferior to Minatos speed. Some believe that was because FTG but the data book also says Ays speed rivals the Yellow Flash. On the end, some think Ays speed can't possibly rival FTG because its instant, an infinite speed and nothing can rival or is even close to instant except instant, thats how infinitely large it is.

All Minatos speed feats occurred off panel or were against people like Teen Obito so he's lacking in the sheer feats category however hype and portrayal throughout the series puts him above Ay. Sheer feats goes to Ay, dudes reflexes dodged point blank Amaterasu.

Who do you hold superior and why?

 

[KCN]

Pointless thread is pointless [

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]. Not to mention Minato blitzed Ay in their encounter only to have Bee intervene.

 

[V h o]

Minato is faster, feats and portrayal make him faster.

 

[Great Master Minato]

1)Striking Speed
Stationary Minato was able to flick a Kunai to Ay's blind spot before Ay can land a hit even though his punch was like a millimeter away from Minato's face & he was using Shunshin which increase striking speed.
With Hiraishin Minato was able to blitz Ay & Killer Bee had to save him, so Striking speed definitely goes to Minato with or without Hiraishin.

2)Reaction Speed
It depends whether C was referring to base Ay being on par with Minato or Raiton enhanced Ay.

3)Foot Speed
Feat wise Ay is superior due to Minato's feats being off-panel but DB4 statement implies that their foot speed is on par considering Ay can't rival FTG.

So I think it goes like this : Hiraishin Minato >> V2 Ay >= Base Minato > V1 Ay >> Base Ay.
Also Ay already admitted inferiority.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Why was this thread made? Minato being faster is fact.

 

[KCN]

1)Striking Speed
Stationary Minato was able to flick a Kunai to Ay's blind spot before Ay can land a hit even though his punch was like a millimeter away from Minato's face & he was using Shunshin which increase striking speed.
With Hiraishin Minato was able to blitz Ay & Killer Bee had to save him, so Striking speed definitely goes to Minato with or without Hiraishin.

2)Reaction Speed
It depends whether C was referring to base Ay being on par with Minato or Raiton enhanced Ay.

3)Foot Speed
Feat wise Ay is superior due to Minato's feats being off-panel but DB4 statement implies that their foot speed is on par considering Ay can't rival FTG.

So I think it goes like this : Hiraishin Minato >> V2 Ay >= Base Minato > V1 Ay >> Base Ay.
Also Ay already admitted inferiority

Where can I see the databook entry where it said Minato's foot speed rivalled Ay's?

 

[Great Master Minato]

Where can I see the databook entry where it said Minato's foot speed rivalled Ay's?

DB4 Ay's Raiton Armor page. (I don't know the number of the page)

 

[Narutimate Storm]

I made thread on this before. I re-post from that thread databook fact

Translated from this page:

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“尾獣チャクラモードのナルトにも追いつけ、”黄色い閃光”にも劣らない神速を誇る。”
A god-like speed that also catches up with Naruto in Tailed—Beast chakra mode, and even praised to be as fast as the “Yellow Flash”.



Alternative wording:
劣らない means “not inferior/below/lower”
A god-like speed that can also keep up with Naruto in Tailed-Beast chakra mode, and even praised to be in no way inferior to the “Yellow Flash”.

No more saying Foruth Raikage is faster than Minato without FTG

^^
Correct translation

 

[Gold Lightning]

Full translation from Narutoforums

Spoiler

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A ninjutsu that clads/armours the body in Raiton Chakra, and lets the body be revitalised (activated, energised).
The Lighting that gushes into the body (internally) raises the speed of the nerve transmission (transmission between nerves, neuraltransmission), and the lightning that covers (envelops) the body becomes a strong (firm) armour that can even withstand (endure) any jutsu.
It is a mode that the Raikage uses to raise his battle power remarkably (at a remarkable rate, greatly).

A god-like speed that also catches up with Naruto in Tailed—Beast chakra mode, and even praised to be as fast as the “Yellow Flash”.”

Feat wise he only showed shunshin feats that involved intercepting or saving, never actually striking (to be fair you can still class interception/catching something as striking speed). Kinda goes against minatos character anyway, he's the one that told Kakashi not to run full speed into an opponent, so makes sense. Ay can do it because he has reinforced armour, so less risk for him, he can just blitz straight into the enemy without consequence. The other argument is kcm Minato, people naturally say he's faster than bm Naruto and v2 Ay, yet his feats were the same as his base. Which makes sense to me, he was incredibly fast in base, so either people just making assumptions on kcm or accept that base Minato is that fast.

The kcm Naruto comparisons to the yellow flash from Yamato, Bee and supposedly Kakashi, hint towards minatos body flicker being one of the fastest

Conclusion: believe whatever the heck you want.

 

[NarutoX28]

The Raikage has superior speed and reflexes, but Hiraishin allows Minato to react and move faster than the Raikage. In pure movement speed, the Raikage should be superior.

 

[Masked man]

Raikage is faster in Shunshin but Minato is faster overall because of Hiraishin which is superior than ordinary speed.

 

[EZQ]

In sunshin V2 Ay is superior. When Minato and Ay clashed, Ay was still a jonnin and we can't know if he got any faster before that, but there's evidence what his v2 wasn't used against Minato since he probably developed it after their encounter. V2 puts his hair like a super saiyan and against Minato that didn't happen.

Anyways, if we stick to manga and are a lil bit logical:

FTG Minato > V2 Ay > Sunshin minato > V1 Ay

Edit: Minato's reflexes and hand speed are above Ay's

 

[Gold Lightning]

In sunshin V2 Ay is superior. When Minato and Ay clashed, Ay was still a jonnin and we can't know if he got any faster before that, but there's evidence what his v2 wasn't used against Minato since he probably developed it after their encounter. V2 puts his hair like a super saiyan and against Minato that didn't happen.

Anyways, if we stick to manga and are a lil bit logical:

FTG Minato > V2 Ay > Sunshin minato > V1 Ay

Edit: Minato's reflexes and hand speed are above Ay's

Look closely. A is in v2. You can clearly see his hair frizzing. That doesn't happen in v1, it's clearly v2, the headband is just keeping the hair down.

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And A said it was his top speed and told Naruto that only he and Minato dodged his fastest punch.

 

[EZQ]

Look closely. A is in v2. You can clearly see his hair frizzing. That doesn't happen in v1, it's clearly v2, the headband is just keeping the hair down.

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And A said it was his top speed and told Naruto that only he and Minato dodged his fastest punch.

Well it seems you're right. It still doesn't change my claim tough

V2 Ay> Sunshin Minato

 

[NarutoX28]

Look closely. A is in v2. You can clearly see his hair frizzing. That doesn't happen in v1, it's clearly v2, the headband is just keeping the hair down.

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And A said it was his top speed and told Naruto that only he and Minato dodged his fastest punch.

Ei doesn't have Bijuu Levels of Chakra here.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Well it seems you're right. It still doesn't change my claim tough

V2 Ay> Sunshin Minato

Based on what? You said if we stick to manga and logic then we come to that conclusion. Yet from what I've seen, there's no manga feat that puts A's shunshin above any of minatos.

 

[EZQ]

Based on what? You said if we stick to manga and logic then we come to that conclusion. Yet from what I've seen, there's no manga feat that puts A's shunshin above any of minatos.

Minato needed FTG to escape from Ay's fastest punch, if he could do it with sunshin then why would he have bothered to use FTG? There's the evidence.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato needed FTG to escape from Ay's fastest punch, if he could do it with sunshin then why would he have bothered to use FTG? There's the evidence.

I remember Minator explaining this ages ago. He didn't need FTG to escape, he needed it to counter attack. If he used shunshin, he wouldn't have been able to get above A and strike him. It wasn't a cat and mouse chase, it was a fight to win. If you had the option of both FTG and shunshin, honestly tell me, which would you use in that situation (especially if you're trying to defeat your opponent)?

 

[EZQ]

I remember Minator explaining this ages ago. He didn't need FTG to escape, he needed it to counter attack. If he used shunshin, he wouldn't have been able to get above A and strike him. It wasn't a cat and mouse chase, it was a fight to win. If you had the option of both FTG and shunshin, honestly tell me, which would you use in that situation (especially if you're trying to defeat your opponent)?

Okay that's right, that's where its confirmed that minato's sunshin is not superior to Ay's. And then the "use a little logic" thing that i mentioned in my previous post shows up. Minato's sunshin being as fast as KCM Naruto's sunshin without any kind of cloak or chakra power up is highly doubtful, specially when Minato's sunshin has no feats that can put him on Ay's level.

Minato's lack of feats is the reason why we don't know how fast he is without FTG, and when he became an edo he was facing opponents too powerful for just using sunshin, so we'll never know, but as i already mentioned, you can't put a featless sunshin on the same level of a sunshin that dodged Amaterasu. I honestly don't think a normal person without any kind of chakra cloak can dodge amaterasu, since the fastest (no rikudo) character's we've seen are KCM Naruto and Minato, Gai and Ay, and all of them use cloaks for super speed (Gai's isn't exactly a cloak). That's why Minato's almost featless sunshin should not be put on the same level V2 Ay's is.

Minato was hailed as the fastest shinobi due to his FTG and his quick reactions, he did have a good sunshin yes (we have some feats of it) but they're not enough to put him on the top tiers just with sunshin.

Also, i don't like to bring the databook but that guy from above just gave the real translation of Ay's sunshin and it says he was not under Minato.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Okay that's right, that's where its confirmed that minato's sunshin is not superior to Ay's. And then the "use a little logic" thing that i mentioned in my previous post shows up. Minato's sunshin being as fast as KCM Naruto's sunshin without any kind of cloak or chakra power up is highly doubtful, specially when Minato's sunshin has no feats that can put him on Ay's level.

Minato's lack of feats is the reason why we don't know how fast he is without FTG, and when he became an edo he was facing opponents too powerful for just using sunshin, so we'll never know, but as i already mentioned, you can't put a featless sunshin on the same level of a sunshin that dodged Amaterasu. I honestly don't think a normal person without any kind of chakra cloak can dodge amaterasu, since the fastest (no rikudo) character's we've seen are KCM Naruto and Minato, Gai and Ay, and all of them use cloaks for super speed (Gai's isn't exactly a cloak). That's why Minato's almost featless sunshin should not be put on the same level V2 Ay's is.

Minato was hailed as the fastest shinobi due to his FTG and his quick reactions, he did have a good sunshin yes (we have some feats of it) but they're not enough to put him on the top tiers just with sunshin.

Also, i don't like to bring the databook but that guy from above just gave the real translation of Ay's sunshin and it says he was not under Minato.

Except he's not featless, he just doesn't have as many feats. But he still has feats, and hype to go with it. When he saved kushina from kurama said claw, he swooped in and avoided getting crushed by shunshin. We know how fast kurama said claw is, because sage mode Naruto couldn't dodge it and was surprised how fast it was

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, yet look at the distance Minato evaded it with, see how far away he moved from kurama to the top of that cliff in an instant

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. There's also Minato blitzing kurama from the hokage stone faces from several hundred meters away, his best fest by far. Better than anything A has shown (doesn't mean Minato is faster, I'm just saying less feats doesn't equate to inferior).

I posted the same thing the databook said. Their shunshin is said to be on par with one another. Hence why I'm wondering how you can put A above Minato. Also Minato was never hailed as the fastest shinobi due to FTG, no where does it say that, feel free to get a scan though. Killer bee, the brother of A, saw kcm narutos shunshin and immediately compared it to minatos shunshin, to which Yamato said it was inferior. So there's the major proof that minatos shunshin was on kcm narutos level, and if it was kcm narutos level at least, then that means he's capable of competing with A.

Question, is kcm Minato faster than A?