Minato vs Ay (Speed)

[EZQ]

Except he's not featless, he just doesn't have as many feats. But he still has feats, and hype to go with it. When he saved kushina from kurama said claw, he swooped in and avoided getting crushed by shunshin. We know how fast kurama said claw is, because sage mode Naruto couldn't dodge it and was surprised how fast it was

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, yet look at the distance Minato evaded it with, see how far away he moved from kurama to the top of that cliff in an instant

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. There's also Minato blitzing kurama from the hokage stone faces from several hundred meters away, his best fest by far. Better than anything A has shown (doesn't mean Minato is faster, I'm just saying less feats doesn't equate to inferior).

I posted the same thing the databook said. Their shunshin is said to be on par with one another. Hence why I'm wondering how you can put A above Minato. Also Minato was never hailed as the fastest shinobi due to FTG, no where does it say that, feel free to get a scan though. Killer bee, the brother of A, saw kcm narutos shunshin and immediately compared it to minatos shunshin, to which Yamato said it was inferior. So there's the major proof that minatos shunshin was on kcm narutos level, and if it was kcm narutos level at least, then that means he's capable of competing with A.

Question, is kcm Minato faster than A?

It wasn't the same situation with the kiuuby's claw. Against Naruto, it was a 1 o 1 fight were the kiuuby was atacking naruto and knew he was probably gonna dodge, so he kept atacking with fast slashes. In the case of Minato, Kurama was atacking a poor dying young lady and didn't expect Minato to save her, when minato appeared and saved kushina he got of the way of the kiuuby who wasn't expecting that so he stopped atacking, so the speed of those slashes (claws) was probably not the same. Also, you said that's better than anything Ay has shown but that's too wrong, the best feat between Minato and Ay is dodging Amaterasu from a really short distance.

About the databook thing, you didn't put the real translation, that guy posted the real one ^^ An the things written are totally different. Their sunshin is not said to be on par with another, according to the databook Ay's sunshin is "no way inferior to minato's".

I say he was hailed as the fastest shinobi probably due to his FTG, since his teletransportation seems like fast moving. Also his sunshin was amazing, but i'm saying probably not on Ay's level.

Ay compared KCM Naruto dodgins his fastest punch with sunshin as the same as when minato dodged his fastest punch with FTG, meaning that Ay hailed minato for his FTG proficience. Since in a short distance like that, the difference between KCM Naruto's sunshin and Minato's FTG is almost nothing.

Answer: KCM Minato should be faster than KCM Naruto so yes he should be faster than Ay as well

 

[KingHashirama]

idk man, that time he rescued Naruto from freaking Obito, is one of the fastest shunshins in the manga, Ay hasn't shown anything like it so far.

 

[EZQ]

idk man, that time he rescued Naruto from freaking Obito, is one of the fastest shunshins in the manga, Ay hasn't shown anything like it so far.

The fastest sunshin in the manga was dodging Amaterasu from less than 10 mts away.

 

[KingHashirama]

The fastest sunshin in the manga was dodging Amaterasu from less than 10 mts away.

Nope i disagree. Minato and Tobirama can replicate the samething. And Tobirama's already shown superior shunshin than Ay's.

 

[EZQ]

Nope i disagree. Minato and Tobirama can replicate the samething. And Tobirama's already shown superior shunshin than Ay's.

Yes they can, with FTG of course. Without it they can't. Do you want to start another long ass discussion with me or lets agree to disagree? Everything you post has no manga support. (lol at you saying Tobirama's sunshin being better than Ay´s)

 

[Gold Lightning]

It wasn't the same situation with the kiuuby's claw. Against Naruto, it was a 1 o 1 fight were the kiuuby was atacking naruto and knew he was probably gonna dodge, so he kept atacking with fast slashes. In the case of Minato, Kurama was atacking a poor dying young lady and didn't expect Minato to save her, when minato appeared and saved kushina he got of the way of the kiuuby who wasn't expecting that so he stopped atacking, so the speed of those slashes (claws) was probably not the same. Also, you said that's better than anything Ay has shown but that's too wrong, the best feat between Minato and Ay is dodging Amaterasu from a really short distance.

About the databook thing, you didn't put the real translation, that guy posted the real one ^^ An the things written are totally different. Their sunshin is not said to be on par with another, according to the databook Ay's sunshin is "no way inferior to minato's".

I say he was hailed as the fastest shinobi probably due to his FTG, since his teletransportation seems like fast moving. Also his sunshin was amazing, but i'm saying probably not on Ay's level.

Ay compared KCM Naruto dodgins his fastest punch with sunshin as the same as when minato dodged his fastest punch with FTG, meaning that Ay hailed minato for his FTG proficience. Since in a short distance like that, the difference between KCM Naruto's sunshin and Minato's FTG is almost nothing.

Answer: KCM Minato should be faster than KCM Naruto so yes he should be faster than Ay as well

What the heck are you talking about? He wasn't attacking with fast slashes, he slammed Naruto once in the exact same fashion as he did with kushina. It was just one slam, I'm not sure where you got continuous slashes from. It doesn't matter if it was one vs one, minato had to intercept it at the last minute, which makes his feat better than Naruto, because Naruto already knew it was coming and could anticipate it and sense it with sage mode. Minato had to save someone by getting inbetween kuramas claw,picking her up and then using shunshin again to evade, from point blank. It was a fast slam, that even a sage sensor could not react to, there was no difference to the Minato and Naruto one.

You can't read can you? I posted the full and accurate translation, translated by viatorentvenus from tumblr. You can go on tumblr and ask the guy yourself, he's already translated a lot of the databook already. He said they're praised to be on par. I posted the exact same thing as the other guy, in addition to the full translation, he just posted a small portion. So how can you say what I posted isn't real.

A fought Minato several times, so you wouldn't even know which occasion he's talking about. Minato could have dodged his fastest punch in another battle or on multiple different occasions. The fight we saw wasn't there only confrontation. Even tsuande said narutos speed was just like the yellow flash when she saw it. And no teleportation doesn't look like fast movement, databook 3 specially States that teleportation and shunshin aren't comparable. So no one can compare narutos speed to FTG when they aren't alike. I've already mentioned bee and yamatos statement s which you seem to be ignoring.

And you base kcm minatos speed to be superior off nothing. Kcm minatos shunshin feats are inferior to his base feats, so you can't even make at assumption unless you agree Minato is just as fast as he was in base as he is in kcm. Especially feat wise, he moves exactly the same as he did in base.

Edit: and yes kinghashirama is actually right for once. They can replicate the same thing with shunshin. Unless you want to tell me kcm Naruto can't avoid Amaterasu. Sasuke was using normal running speed to evade most of Amaterasu, so why can't Minato and Tobirama when they have survivor speed to him

 

[NarutoX28]

idk man, that time he rescued Naruto from freaking Obito, is one of the fastest shunshins in the manga, Ay hasn't shown anything like it so far.

Yet his Shunshin can't even blitz Young Obito while a more reflexive Obito took a while to register V1 Ei's position during his Shunshin.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yes they can, with FTG of course. Without it they can't. Do you want to start another long ass discussion with me or lets agree to disagree? Everything you post has no manga support. (lol at you saying Tobirama's sunshin being better than Ay´s)

@Bold,

Minato saving Naruto from Obito = Manga event

Tobirama's shunshin feat where he cames and gets the Gojudama and ftgs away = manga event


All i see is manga support.

Yet his Shunshin can't even blitz Young Obito while a more reflexive Obito took a while to register V1 Ei's position during his Shunshin.

Can he show me the shunshin he used against obito?

 

[NarutoX28]

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Obito perceived his Shunshin as shown here.

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While here, Adult Obito took some time to actually register V1 Ei's Shunshin.

 

[Thesaurus]

The most updated and recent DB entry for Raiton shroud says:

Raiton Chakra Mode

Raiton Chakra collects on the body, it's a body invigoration ninjutsu. From inside the body lightning gushes out, the speed of ones nerve transmissions rises. The body is wrapped in lightning, the jutsu durability is like that of armor. The Raikages' application of it causes their combat power to rise considerably.

It managed to chase Naruto's Bijuu Chakra Mode, however it was inferior to the great speed of the Yellow-Flash.

Still inferior to the speed of the Yellow Flash meaning FTG. VIZ also says that merely the reaction speed of Ay and Minato are on par (while Ay is using his nerve transmission to augment reaction speed). So until some feat of Minato comes out, he'll be slower than Ay's shunshin.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

This was already clear in the manga.

Raikage is faster in foot speed.

Minato only outspeeds him when he uses FTG. You can't be faster than someone with FTG unless you have a better teleportation method.

 

[Gold Lightning]

The most updated and recent DB entry for Raiton shroud says:


Still inferior to the speed of the Yellow Flash meaning FTG. VIZ also says that merely the reaction speed of Ay and Minato are on par (while Ay is using his nerve transmission to augment reaction speed). So until some feat of Minato comes out, he'll be slower than Ay's shunshin.

Get with the times slowpoke. That translation is incorrect.

The translation I posted is the correct one. Rcm=yellow flash ie minatos natural speed.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Get with the times slowpoke. That translation is incorrect.

Your cousin has better translation i guess

 

[KingHashirama]

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There was also this event.

But now thattt i look at Minato carefully, he hasn't really used "Shunshin" in fights.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Your cousin has better translation i guess

No idea what you're saying

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There was also this event.

But now thattt i look at Minato carefully, he hasn't really used "Shunshin" in fights.

You mean he hasn't used it to strike opponents. There's a reason for that, Minato explained this way back:

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[Thesaurus]

Get with the times slowpoke. That translation is incorrect.

The translation I posted is the correct one. Rcm=yellow flash ie minatos natural speed.

And how exactly do you know that your translation is the correct one? Both were translated by someone who can speak the language. Foh son

 

[EZQ]

@Bold,

Minato saving Naruto from Obito = Manga event

Tobirama's shunshin feat where he cames and gets the Gojudama and ftgs away = manga event


All i see is manga support.

Supporting what you say with manga scans is no the same as taking a manga scan and interpretate it the way you want. That's not how you support arguments.

Are you suggesting Obito's hand moves faster than Amaterasu? Also, Minato was really close to Obito when he tried to kill naruto.

Tobirama's feat was impressive but not better than Ay's feat of dodging amaterasu. We don't know how far tobirama was from there when he made that sunshin. Besides, Ay could replicate that feat also, the difference is that after grabbing the gujodama he wouldn't be able to return it to Obito.

 

[NarutoX28]

No idea what you're saying



You mean he hasn't used it to strike opponents. There's a reason for that, Minato explained this way back:

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Which proves that Ei is far more reflexive.

 

[Gold Lightning]

And how exactly do you know that your translation is the correct one? Both were translated by someone who can speak the language. Foh son

Your one was translated by turrin of narutoforums. Ask him yourself and he will tell you it's wrong. I keep a close eye on narutoforums, despite its crappy website. He mistranslated.

 

[Bogard]

Using Shunshin to evade Ay was a stupid idea since he would have lost the possibility to counter him. FTG as an instant teleportative jutsu allowed him that maneuver however. That's why using hiraishin was a better option than shunshining away. Doesn't mean however that it proves anything shunshin-wise between Ay and Minato. They clashed multiple times and Ay decades later admitted inferiority, databook suggest it as well and he even outsped all the Hokages including the fastest in the previous era(another Hiraishin user) on the way to the battlefield and no, he had no markings on the battlefield, so it was a shunshin comparison with Tobirama even admitting inferiority in the era and Hiruzen complimenting his shunshin to be as fast as always.

There is also the Obito statement you live up to your yellow flash moniker after Minato's shunshin suggesting that his body flicker is part of the reason behind his reputation, not saying Hiraishin didn't matter though since i believe Kishi wanted to portray Minato as someone who was fast in everything, body flicker, reaction speed, striking speed, teleportative speed, etc hence why he kept up hyping his teleportative, reaction or striking speed by guys like Tobirama and showing actual incredible feats(like when he save Naruto or Kushina). There the multiple shunshin comparisons with KCM/BM Naruto that tend to go that way or also the feat of stopping Kakashi(in killing Obito) with a shunshin from kilometers away in an instant, although he was arguably in KCM, but it was the real message behind Kishi's portrayal

Basically, Hiraishin is better in combat, hence why Minato relies more on it, but his speed reputation came down from the fact he was fast in everything

Base Ay's fastest shunshin speed is when he blitzed a weak sauce like White Zetsu

Even with lightning shroud enhancing his reflexive speed and shunshin, he was reacted to by the likes of Suigetsu or Jugo(well in V1 i mean). Obito dodged him rather casually like in a slow down motion, same Obito, Minato outsped when saving infant Naruto. Not to mention, Half Kyubi's striking speed was judged too fast by SM Naruto, who couldn't react to it, same SM Naruto who outmaneuvered Sandaime Raikage who possess the same level of speed as V1 Ay. Yet Minato evaded Full Kyubi's striking speed when it was inches away to kill Kushina when he wasn't even there an instant before(so perception time after hiraishin teleportation) and shunshining a kilometer away

It's V2 that he managed to blitz Sharingan Sasuke