Minato vs Ay (Speed)

[Gold Lightning]

. Yet Minato evaded Full Kyubi's striking speed when it was inches away to kill Kushina when he wasn't even there an instant before(so perception time after hiraishin teleportation) and shunshining a kilometer away

Was shunshin he used to reach kushina. After having kyuubi extracted, the seal disappears.

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Was shunshin he used to reach kushina. After having kyuubi extracted, the seal disappears.

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Nice catch. Didn't even think of this. Wonder how he managed to locate Kushina's position though. Maybe with his sensing ability

 

[Gold Lightning]

Nice catch. Didn't even think of this. Wonder how he managed to locate Kushina's position though. Maybe with his sensing ability

I'd assume sensing as well.

 

[EZQ]

What the heck are you talking about? He wasn't attacking with fast slashes, he slammed Naruto once in the exact same fashion as he did with kushina. It was just one slam, I'm not sure where you got continuous slashes from. It doesn't matter if it was one vs one, minato had to intercept it at the last minute, which makes his feat better than Naruto, because Naruto already knew it was coming and could anticipate it and sense it with sage mode. Minato had to save someone by getting inbetween kuramas claw,picking her up and then using shunshin again to evade, from point blank. It was a fast slam, that even a sage sensor could not react to, there was no difference to the Minato and Naruto one.

You can't read can you? I posted the full and accurate translation, translated by viatorentvenus from tumblr. You can go on tumblr and ask the guy yourself, he's already translated a lot of the databook already. He said they're praised to be on par. I posted the exact same thing as the other guy, in addition to the full translation, he just posted a small portion. So how can you say what I posted isn't real.

A fought Minato several times, so you wouldn't even know which occasion he's talking about. Minato could have dodged his fastest punch in another battle or on multiple different occasions. The fight we saw wasn't there only confrontation. Even tsuande said narutos speed was just like the yellow flash when she saw it. And no teleportation doesn't look like fast movement, databook 3 specially States that teleportation and shunshin aren't comparable. So no one can compare narutos speed to FTG when they aren't alike. I've already mentioned bee and yamatos statement s which you seem to be ignoring.

And you base kcm minatos speed to be superior off nothing. Kcm minatos shunshin feats are inferior to his base feats, so you can't even make at assumption unless you agree Minato is just as fast as he was in base as he is in kcm. Especially feat wise, he moves exactly the same as he did in base.

Edit: and yes kinghashirama is actually right for once. They can replicate the same thing with shunshin. Unless you want to tell me kcm Naruto can't avoid Amaterasu. Sasuke was using normal running speed to evade most of Amaterasu, so why can't Minato and Tobirama when they have survivor speed to him

-Read the scan again, kishi drew a movement there, kurama actually made a lof of slashes. Also, Naruto perfectly reacted to them, but his foot speed just wasn't enough to dodge, and being faster than SM Naruto isn't that much of a feat, SM Naruto's speed is not top tier, and kurama's atack wasn't either.
-Totally wrong, intercepting is a lot easier than dodging in 1v1, Gaara could intercept v2 Ay's movements to prevent him from killing sasuke, since he knew where Ay was going to atack, its the same on minato's case, he knew kurama was atacking Kushina (with an atack that is not that fast, already explained above) and he knew exactly where the claw was going to be (and since Kurama wasn't aware of minato's presence, he didn't change the direction of the atack, it happened the same when Gaara saved sasuke). In the other hand, on 1v1 you don't know where the atack is coming from and it makes it a lot harder to dodge.

We've seen a lot of interceptings in the manga, Kakashi saving Sakura, Naruto saving Sakura, Gaara saving Sasuke... Intercept is a lot easier than dodge.

-Why are you assuming you got the right translation? There are a lot of translation and none of them is "viz" so none of them is correct. That's why we've gotta stay sticked to the manga and not the databook.

Minato's best feat with sunshin: Saving naruto
Ay's best feat with sunshin: Dodging amaterasu

- Yes Ay confronted minato several times, but he's obviously reffering to the time Minato dodged his fastest punch with FTG since is the ****ing scan Kishi showed. So Ay was comparing Naruto's sunshin to Minato's FTG, not to minato's sunshin. Because from short distances the difference between FTG and Naruto's sunshin is almost nothing. Could you tell the difference between 0,0001 seconds and 0 seconds? the answer is no. And Yamato was refering to Minato's FTG as well.

- KCM Minato's sunshin speed is a lot higher than his base speed. They didn't look impresive because he was fighting JJ Obito then, so his base speed looked more impressive just because it was used against weaker oponents. So in the end, KCM Minato's sunshin >> Base minato's sunshin, since if you put base minato against Juubito he gets wrecked, while KCM Minato was at least capable of surviving.

KingHashirama is not right. Why do you Minato fanboys say things without feats support? Ay dodged amaterasu from a really short distance like it was nothing, Tobirama's and Minato's feats cant compare, use hype if you want, but we're talking about feats here. When we say "Ay dodged amaterasu" we're not refering to just dodging, he dodged it and countered it (going to Sasuke's back), so Ay's speed is not > Amaterasu's, is >>>> Amaterasu. Minato dodges Amaterasu via throwing a kunai away and using FTG and the same with tobirama, they can't do it with sunshin and there's no manga support to back it up. Also, Sasuke was a lot further from itachi than Ay was from sasuke, so Sasuke could at least make half step to try to dodge it but he still failed bad (and sasuke's speed by that time was already stated to be really high).

So Ay>>> Amaterasu, and Minato and Tobirama as well, but they need FTG to do so, maybe with sunshin they could dodge it, but not the way Ay did it (actually making a counter atack almost instantly). And if you don't agree, you better show some manga support.

 

[Gold Lightning]

-Read the scan again, kishi drew a movement there, kurama actually made a lof of slashes. Also, Naruto perfectly reacted to them, but his foot speed just wasn't enough to dodge, and being faster than SM Naruto isn't that much of a feat, SM Naruto's speed is not top tier, and kurama's atack wasn't either.
-Totally wrong, intercepting is a lot easier than dodging in 1v1, Gaara could intercept v2 Ay's movements to prevent him from killing sasuke, since he knew where Ay was going to atack, its the same on minato's case, he knew kurama was atacking Kushina (with an atack that is not that fast, already explained above) and he knew exactly where the claw was going to be (and since Kurama wasn't aware of minato's presence, he didn't change the direction of the atack, it happened the same when Gaara saved sasuke). In the other hand, on 1v1 you don't know where the atack is coming from and it makes it a lot harder to dodge.

We've seen a lot of interceptings in the manga, Kakashi saving Sakura, Naruto saving Sakura, Gaara saving Sasuke... Intercept is a lot easier than dodge.

-Why are you assuming you got the right translation? There are a lot of translation and none of them is "viz" so none of them is correct. That's why we've gotta stay sticked to the manga and not the databook.

Minato's best feat with sunshin: Saving naruto
Ay's best feat with sunshin: Dodging amaterasu

- Yes Ay confronted minato several times, but he's obviously reffering to the time Minato dodged his fastest punch with FTG since is the ****ing scan Kishi showed. So Ay was comparing Naruto's sunshin to Minato's FTG, not to minato's sunshin. Because from short distances the difference between FTG and Naruto's sunshin is almost nothing. Could you tell the difference between 0,0001 seconds and 0 seconds? the answer is no. And Yamato was refering to Minato's FTG as well.

- KCM Minato's sunshin speed is a lot higher than his base speed. They didn't look impresive because he was fighting JJ Obito then, so his base speed looked more impressive just because it was used against weaker oponents. So in the end, KCM Minato's sunshin >> Base minato's sunshin, since if you put base minato against Juubito he gets wrecked, while KCM Minato was at least capable of surviving.

KingHashirama is not right. Why do you Minato fanboys say things without feats support? Ay dodged amaterasu from a really short distance like it was nothing, Tobirama's and Minato's feats cant compare, use hype if you want, but we're talking about feats here. When we say "Ay dodged amaterasu" we're not refering to just dodging, he dodged it and countered it (going to Sasuke's back), so Ay's speed is not > Amaterasu's, is >>>> Amaterasu. Minato dodges Amaterasu via throwing a kunai away and using FTG and the same with tobirama, they can't do it with sunshin and there's no manga support to back it up. Also, Sasuke was a lot further from itachi than Ay was from sasuke, so Sasuke could at least make half step to try to dodge it but he still failed bad (and sasuke's speed by that time was already stated to be really high).

So Ay>>> Amaterasu, and Minato and Tobirama as well, but they need FTG to do so, maybe with sunshin they could dodge it, but not the way Ay did it (actually making a counter atack almost instantly). And if you don't agree, you better show some manga support.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. Half of what you said is total nonsense, doesn't even warrant a response. Kurama slashes I don't know what the hell you are talking about. You've twisted simple manga panels into something else. A simple slam from kurama is what he did against both Naruto and kushina yet you're saying eyre different.

Yamato referring to FTG... Are you insane. Did you not read the manga. How can Yamato say narutos shunshin isn't on minatos level yet, and then you call it FTG. Shunshin can never reach FTG level, so obviously it was shunshin he and Bee (bee even says shunshin). Honestly most of your post is laughable, such as your time comparison. Obito saw minatos shunshin yet called him the yellow flash for it because he moved in an instant. So kcm Naruto moving at ridiculous speeds isn't exclusive to him.

Your logic is terrible. So putting base Minato gets him rekt against juubito but kcm doesn't? Are you hearing yourself? I guess hashirama is weaker than Minato then because he too would get wrecked whether it's in base or sage mode. Minato used FTG to escape juubito, FTG doesn't improve FTG so your silly claim is baseless.

Why don't you show me feats of kcm Minato shunshin being greater an base shunshin. I'll wait. It's none existent, you know why? Because kcm didn't change minatos shunshin ability, he already had maxed out shunshin.

I'm not gonna reply to half the things you said becuase it's utter horse shite, the fact that bee would rather compliment minatos shunshin rather than his own brothers tells you how fast he was without FTG.

 

[EZQ]

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. Half of what you said is total nonsense, doesn't even warrant a response. Kurama slashes I don't know what the hell you are talking about. You've twisted simple manga panels into something else. A simple slam from kurama is what he did against both Naruto and kushina yet you're saying eyre different.

Yamato referring to FTG... Are you insane. Did you not read the manga. How can Yamato say narutos shunshin isn't on minatos level yet, and then you call it FTG. Shunshin can never reach FTG level, so obviously it was shunshin he and Bee (bee even says shunshin). Honestly most of your post is laughable, such as your time comparison. Obito saw minatos shunshin yet called him the yellow flash for it because he moved in an instant. So kcm Naruto moving at ridiculous speeds isn't exclusive to him.

Your logic is terrible. So putting base Minato gets him rekt against juubito but kcm doesn't? Are you hearing yourself? I guess hashirama is weaker than Minato then because he too would get wrecked whether it's in base or sage mode. Minato used FTG to escape juubito, FTG doesn't improve FTG so your silly claim is baseless.

Why don't you show me feats of kcm Minato shunshin being greater an base shunshin. I'll wait. It's none existent, you know why? Because kcm didn't change minatos shunshin ability, he already had maxed out shunshin.

I'm not gonna reply to half the things you said becuase it's utter horse shite, the fact that bee would rather compliment minatos shunshin rather than his own brothers tells you how fast he was without FTG.

Okay mr fanboy its time to use manga scans.

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The first panel on the right, Kurama atacked 4 times and naruto was jumping back and dodging, the 5th one was the one that got him. Also already explained that SM Naruto perfectly reacted to this atack, but just wasn't fast enough to dodge, and SM Naruto's foot speed is not that special, so Minato intercepting this kind of atack is not impressive at all, since intercepting an atack that is not coming towards you is a lot easier than dodging an atack on 1v1.

2- Ay compared Naruto with Minato because of this:

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Ay compares Naruto's sunshin to Minato's FTG since in short distances its almost the same, he doesn't compare it to his sunshin.

3- Minato used FTG to escape juubito yet his foot speed was involved constantly in the battle, KCM was a power up for his speed, you're the one with a terrible logic here. And no, the example you gave about hashirama is laughable, like every fanboy on this base.

4- Obvously couldn't counter what i mentioned about amaterasu. Well, i'm letting you read the manga scans i gave and then leave, have a good time reading the manga again (instead of reading the databook, which leads you to ridiculouss conclusions about minato's speed).