I hope that's not in response to me saying 8th gated gai was given explicit instructions to just ignore everything and was traveling at full speed against madara.
Lol and so what? He was given an instruction not to touch the black spheres. He was in the position to land the final punch directly and had no other way to destroy them or get past them. Next time take into consideration what what Minato said about the black spheres.
Not to mention Gai already reacted to them as shown with Kakashi.
That proves that Madara knew Minato was about to attack him from right in front with something and therefore was ready to counterattack minato while Madara didn't know Gai would be using a line-drive shunshin and therefore would have been unprepared.
It also shows that Gai isn't reacting to minato if minato is coming at him from any angle other than the front and if Gai doesn't already know minato is going to warp to the kunai directly in front of him.
Lol he knew despite having no intel on the FTG kunai? He has never encountered it before. He was ready to counter attack.
It doesn't prove anything at all. His vision was blocked by Gaara's sand as a matter of fact and he still reacted despite seeing Minato appear infront of him.
Lol and so what? He was given an instruction not to touch the black spheres. He was in the position to land the final punch directly and had no other way to destroy them or get past them. Next time take into consideration what what Minato said about the black spheres.
Not to mention Gai already reacted to them as shown with Kakashi.
I did take what minato said about the black spheres into consideration. It's you who's completely ignoring Minato explicitly telling Gai to keep going forward no matter what when 8th gated Gai was attempting to attack Madara:
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So Minato tells Gai not to touch the black stuff because it will kill Gai. Then later, Minato tells Gai to just ignore the black stuff and focus on attacking madara since Minato is going to get rid of the black stuff. Therefore Gai is moving at his top speed while ignoring the black stuff, yet he's still barely able to even move before armless Minato can use hirashin 2 times:
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7th gated Gai has no chance of tagging base Minato.
Because Madara doesn't have a mental link with black zetsu who's been fighting minato this entire time.
Because madara didn't know about Minato when he purposefully kept the yellow flash away in order to kill Rin.
Because Tobirama didn't use FTG on a kunai just like Minato did, and Madara never fought Tobirama.
Because Madara wasn't on the battlefield when Minato warped away the juubi's bijuudama, ftg'd the hokages, ftg'd to Obito, and ftg'd naruto, gamakichi and sasuke away.
It doesn't prove anything at all. His vision was blocked by Gaara's sand as a matter of fact and he still reacted despite seeing Minato appear infront of him.
Is that all you can say lol. Basically you have no argument to this. Accept the fact that kishi can bend all logic in order to suit whatever he's trying to show, even if he contradicts himself.
Ok keep hyping his past record when feats say clearly it's different. The 7G showed no feat at all except Hirudora before Juubi Jin. The so called fastest man wasn't fast enough to make contact with Juubi Madara and you're bringing inconsistency to it? The fact that Gai did better clearly shows he's above Ay. KCM Naruto evaded his super fast punch at full speed. I have no reason to believe he's faster than someone who surprised a Juubi Jin twice with his speed. If you choose to ignore this and use past statements with recent feats debunking it, then do as you please.
Pretty sure things change and can be judged by feats
V2 Ay faster than 7th Gate Guy. Guy didn't surprise Madara because of his speed, go read the panels again. All the steam and smoke guy was generating was interfering with his concentration and vision, Madara had to cover his face in order to shield himself. In fact guy was no longer visible in all that smoke.
Get me the scan where someone mentions Guys speed in 7 gates. Minato was even there, he's witnessed Ay's fastest speed, yet said nothing about guys speed at all. They complemented his power and ability but not his speed.
I did take what minato said about the black spheres into consideration. It's you who's completely ignoring Minato explicitly telling Gai to keep going forward no matter what when 8th gated Gai was attempting to attack Madara:
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So Minato tells Gai not to touch the black stuff because it will kill Gai. Then later, Minato tells Gai to just ignore the black stuff and focus on attacking madara since Minato is going to get rid of the black stuff. Therefore Gai is moving at his top speed while ignoring the black stuff, yet he's still barely able to even move before armless Minato can use hirashin 2 times:
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7th gated Gai has no chance of tagging base Minato.
Oh boy. Should Gai attack Minato before you know he can react? 8G Gai is faster than Minato shown with when Juubi Madara acknowledged him to be fast. That doesn't show anything. Gai had no way of getting around does sphere since he uses taijutsu strictly and couldn't even touch them. Doesn't matter whether he was told to go straight ahead when he was prepared to land his last attack directly and he kicked up the air once again. Gai doesn't show any sign of being surprised or fazed with Minato infront of him when he's aim is to hit Madara directly and has been told not worry about it. Gai reacted to them before Kakashi was hit already. Rock Lee picked up Gai before the black spheres and FTG kunai could get to his position. This doesn't show anything.
Is that all you can say lol. Basically you have no argument to this. Accept the fact that kishi can bend all logic in order to suit whatever he's trying to show, even if he contradicts himself.
Kishi>your speculation
V2 Ay faster than 7th Gate Guy. Guy didn't surprise Madara because of his speed, go read the panels again. All the steam and smoke guy was generating was interfering with his concentration and vision, Madara had to cover his face in order to shield himself. In fact guy was no longer visible in all that smoke.
Get me the scan where someone mentions Guys speed in 7 gates. Minato was even there, he's witnessed Ay's fastest speed, yet said nothing about guys speed at all. They complemented his power and ability but not his speed.
I won't bother to take you seriously. Ay>>> Sasuke and Naruto since nothing was said about them being faster than him. Kishi>> your nonsense. Gaara didn't say Ay's movements were not human. So enough with this nonsense.
"Accept the fact that kishi can bend all logic in order to suit whatever he's trying to show, even if he contradicts himself." Boy don't bother replying me with your nonsense anymore.
Because Madara doesn't have a mental link with black zetsu who's been fighting minato this entire time.
Because madara didn't know about Minato when he purposefully kept the yellow flash away in order to kill Rin.
Because Tobirama didn't use FTG on a kunai just like Minato did, and Madara never fought Tobirama.
Because Madara wasn't on the battlefield when Minato warped away the juubi's bijuudama, ftg'd the hokages, ftg'd to Obito, and ftg'd naruto, gamakichi and sasuke away.
Madara's vision of a kunai 5 feet in front of him was blocked by a sand wall that was 30 feet in front of him. Yep, seems legit.
Ok Tobirama uses FTG kunai? Lol enough already. Show a scan of him encountering the FTG Kunai or this is pointless.
Madara's vision was blocked so he couldn't see Minato teleporting. This excuse is ridiculous. The point is he reacted to Minato's teleportation. Nothing else.
Oh boy. Should Gai attack Minato before you know he can react? 8G Gai is faster than Minato shown with when Juubi Madara acknowledged him to be fast. That doesn't show anything. Gai had no way of getting around does sphere since he uses taijutsu strictly and couldn't even touch them. Doesn't matter whether he was told to go straight ahead when he was prepared to land his last attack directly and he kicked up the air once again. Gai doesn't show any sign of being surprised or fazed with Minato infront of him when he's aim is to hit Madara directly and has been told not worry about it. Gai reacted to them before Kakashi was hit already. Rock Lee picked up Gai before the black spheres and FTG kunai could get to his position. This doesn't show anything.
So nothing you've just typed had anything to do with refuting Gai using his full speed with the 8th gate only being able to travel a couple of feet before Minato could use 2 hirashins. Well then if you can't refute that, then the rest of your post is irrelevant as Minato had the reactions to come out of hirashin, perceive the gudoudamas and use another before 8th gated Gai could move a couple of feet and therefore unless 7th gated Gai is way faster than 8th gated Gai, none of his attacks are going to hit Minato.
Sure 8th gated gai is 'faster than minato' in the context madara is using 'faster'. However, he's not literally faster than minato as we've explicitly been shown that he's not.
I don't need to show you a scan of Madara 'encountering' an FTG kunai. That's like telling me madara has zero knowledge on the substitution no jutsu because there's no scan of madara 'encountering' the jutsu. Therefore you have conceded this argument as you've left the fact that madara has a mental link with black zetsu, someone who not only has full intel on the hokage, but has been fighting minato for a while, madara had intel about minato since he kept him away in order to kill Rin in front of Obito and Minato used hirashin multiple times while on the same battlefield as a Madara who was just standing/sitting around and observing what was going on.
Madara's vision was blocked so he couldn't see Minato teleporting. This excuse is ridiculous. The point is he reacted to Minato's teleportation. Nothing else.
Why in the world does madara not being able to see minato before he teleports mean anything when minato teleports right in front of him? Madara sees the kunai thrown in front of him and knows minato is going to teleport to that kunai, minato's position before that happens means absolutely nothing about madara reacting to it.
Madara did not react to minato's teleportation, he reacted to minato's bodily speed after coming out of teleport.
So nothing you've just typed had anything to do with refuting Gai using his full speed with the 8th gate only being able to travel a couple of feet before Minato could use 2 hirashins. Well then if you can't refute that, then the rest of your post is irrelevant as Minato had the reactions to come out of hirashin, perceive the gudoudamas and use another before 8th gated Gai could move a couple of feet and therefore unless 7th gated Gai is way faster than 8th gated Gai, none of his attacks are going to hit Minato.
Sure 8th gated gai is 'faster than minato' in the context madara is using 'faster'. However, he's not literally faster than minato as we've explicitly been shown that he's not.
Is that the point? I didn't say 7G Gai would hit him. I corrected the fact that you said Madara reacted because he saw the FTG kunai. Nothing else. Meanwhile the point is he reacted to Mianto's teleportation. Sure Minato can react to 7G Gai by teleporting away from him
You also keep saying that 8G Gai isn't faster than Minato from what we've seen when what you're using doesn't show it. Gai's full speed distorts space.
Is that the point? I didn't say 7G Gai would hit him. I corrected the fact that you said Madara reacted because he saw the FTG kunai. Nothing else. Meanwhile the point is he reacted to Mianto's teleportation. Sure Minato can react to 7G Gai by teleporting away from him
You also keep saying that 8G Gai isn't faster than Minato from what we've seen when what you're using doesn't show it. Gai's full speed distorts space.
How does what i've shown not without a doubt prove that Minato is faster than 8th gated Gai? I've shown minato using hirashin 2 times before Gai can cross a couple of feet. One of those hirashins took minato from lee all the way to Gai, the next one took minato from gai all the way to konoha. How does that not prove Minato is faster?
Next, why does 8th gated Gai distorting space with his speed make him faster than minato w/ FTG?
- Tobirama attacked Madara from his blind spot(behind) but because he could sense, he reacted.
- Madara didn't see the kunai. He pushed it from Tobirama's hand and tobirama teleported behind him and he still reacted
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. That means he has full intel on it?
- That doesn't show he has intel on the kunai especially when Minato is a different opponent. Not to mention against Obito he didn't teleport but used raw speed and obito said he sees why he's called the yellow flash so the hype about him knowing Minato was the yellow flash because of teleportation is not necessarily true.
I don't need to show you a scan of Madara 'encountering' an FTG kunai. That's like telling me madara has zero knowledge on the substitution no jutsu because there's no scan of madara 'encountering' the jutsu. Therefore you have conceded this argument as you've left the fact that madara has a mental link with black zetsu, someone who not only has full intel on the hokage, but has been fighting minato for a while, madara had intel about minato since he kept him away in order to kill Rin in front of Obito and Minato used hirashin multiple times while on the same battlefield as a Madara who was just standing/sitting around and observing what was going on.
- No. That's just like saying Madara has intel on everyone using a jutsu because has seen one person using it.
- You mention Madara having knowledge on it but was surprised when Tobirama teleported
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- So? You're assuming he saw this with no proof. The rin part with BZ seeing Minato and all that is pointless here.Can't remember him seeing Minato teleporting. He kept Minato away because he had intel of his FTG? Or the fact that an old man couldn't challenge him at that point. Ridiculous.
Madara was fighting his own fight while Minato was fighting his own. Madara was watching Minato as well because they were on the same battle field depite him fighting Hashirama?
Why in the world does madara not being able to see minato before he teleports mean anything when minato teleports right in front of him? Madara sees the kunai thrown in front of him and knows minato is going to teleport to that kunai, minato's position before that happens means absolutely nothing about madara reacting to it.
Madara did not react to minato's teleportation, he reacted to minato's bodily speed after coming out of teleport.
Doesn't mean a thing. He reacted to it. Gosh this is just ridiculous. He reacted because he could. Not because he saw or whatever you're talking about. He had the speed to do so. As simple as that. B also reacted to him teleporting as well. Does that mean it's also because of this bodily nonsense you're talking about it. He has what it takes to react to Minato's speed.
Uhmm he reacted to his speed or whatever you may see it as. The point is he reacted to Minato. That is all there is to it.
How does what i've shown not without a doubt prove that Minato is faster than 8th gated Gai? I've shown minato using hirashin 2 times before Gai can cross a couple of feet. One of those hirashins took minato from lee all the way to Gai, the next one took minato from gai all the way to konoha. How does that not prove Minato is faster
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Minato can teleport to places he has marked already. If not, he would have teleported to save Gai before Lee could or he could have saved Kakashi before Gai could. You're just referring to the fact that he can teleport to a far distance than Gai can since he has marked it already. If not, he could have teleported to Madara faster than Gai could and attacked him faster than Gai could. Gai surprised Madara twice with his movements twice and made contact. If he hasn't marked a place yet, the speed in which he gets there while throwing his kunai is not as fast as 8G Gai's movements.
Next, why does 8th gated Gai distorting space with his speed make him faster than minato w/ FTG?
armless minato was able to hirashin 2 times before 8th gated gai (who's given explicit instructions to just ignore everything and traveling at full speed against Madara) could barely even move. The only reason SM Minato was countered by Madara was because madara was expecting minato to attack him as he saw the kunai, and Minato's attack was a desperation attempt to stop Obito from going to madara's side. If that had not been the situation, minato wouldn't have attacked Madara like that. Gai can do whatever he wants to attack minato, it doesn't matter minato simply dodges it all and uses clones or sets up an opportunity to blindside the non-sensor Gai with an attack that Obito's couldn't even react to with kamui.
Lmao, Gai was not going at full speed in his Fifth Step against Madara. Christ, I thought that was obvious. 8G Gai stomps Minato, and 7G Gai's striking speed is at least equal to Rikudou Madara which is why 7G Gai beats base Minato.
Lmao, Gai was not going at full speed in his Fifth Step against Madara. Christ, I thought that was obvious. 8G Gai stomps Minato, and 7G Gai's striking speed is at least equal to Rikudou Madara which is why 7G Gai beats base Minato.
Well to be fair, MLB players can throw a baseball over 100mph but can't even run 10... So it's not outlandish. Plus, Gai wasn't even moving on his foot speed, I don't think.
OT: With full understanding on the versatality of FTG; Gai can defeat base Minato high-difficulty imo. BM Minato? Not a chance in hell.
Lmao, Gai was not going at full speed in his Fifth Step against Madara. Christ, I thought that was obvious. 8G Gai stomps Minato, and 7G Gai's striking speed is at least equal to Rikudou Madara which is why 7G Gai beats base Minato.
Well to be fair, MLB players can throw a baseball over 100mph but can't even run 10... So it's not outlandish. Plus, Gai wasn't even moving on his foot speed, I don't think.
OT: With full understanding on the versatality of FTG; Gai can defeat base Minato high-difficulty imo. BM Minato? Not a chance in hell.
I believe so as well. Madara was completely clueless here and couldn't defend himself with the orbs
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but he could when Gai kicked up the air again to land the final step. Probably cuz he had to hit him directly. Especially when the steps are supposed to be faster that the previous ones.
I won't bother to take you seriously. Ay>>> Sasuke and Naruto since nothing was said about them being faster than him. Kishi>> your nonsense. Gaara didn't say Ay's movements were not human. So enough with this nonsense.
"Accept the fact that kishi can bend all logic in order to suit whatever he's trying to show, even if he contradicts himself." Boy don't bother replying me with your nonsense anymore.
Naruto already surpassed Ay by dodging his top speed, so why you're mentioning naruto is completely pointless. Kishi already made clear that Naruto was the fastest.
I won't stop replying because you tell me to if you have no argument then you stop replying. 7th gate guy was already a thing and existed before kishi made his statement about Ay. He said his movements are inhuman, not his speed. Keep fighting against it, I can do this all day because I have a kishi's words while you have speculation.
if you have no argument then you stop replying. 7th gate guy was already a thing and existed before kishi made his statement about Ay. He said his movements are inhuman, not his speed. Keep fighting against it, I can do this all day because I have a kishi's words while you have speculation.