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war is not necessary. people are just too stupid to think that killing and fighting is the right answer.
marines are the good guys
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wat imma guessing since Luffy is the main character we consider the Marines and the World Government bad guys
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No, Luffy is the MAIN character of the story. He is the protagonist. Even though he doesn't do bad things, he is either the main cause and/or the indirect cause of it. Being a pirate already makes you a criminal. So yes, he is a bad guy. In verse he is a bad guy. There's nothing in the manga that can say otherwise.
The Marines and the WG are the GOOD guys in the story. They're the ones vowing to keep the peace even though some of their methods are extreme. They're the antagonists generally, and that's what makes US readers consider them bad.
In response to some other poster (not in this thread), this is what I meant by OP being complex. In Naruto we can easily differentiate who is good and who is evil. In Bleach and Fairy Tail same goes. But OP? Nah.
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actually i know the Pirates are supposed to be the bad guys and Luffy is supposed to be the bad guy and Ace owns and stuff....... just my hatred for Akainu mixing my words up on purpose
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Lets take this a simpler way. The Straw Hats are like vigilantes, almost like superheros(More Geared toward Batman as he's easier to explain) even though both Batman and The Straw Hats are doing right by the people and themselves they are still looked at as the bad guys because they go about serving justice in the wrong way. O_O Okay. If a street gang and another street gang begin to fight in the middle of your town and then the police come to break it up pepper spraying and arresting them. You'd see the Street Gangs as the bad guys and the police as the Good Guys wouldn't you? Now what if I told you the only reason the street gangs were fighting was because the one had threatened the other's family and they were only defending the women and children of their part of the city things might be reversed? Just because most of the story is shown from the prospective of the Straw Hats doesn't mean what they are doing is justified...
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These were your words.... right? Your way of arguing that the marines were the bad guys my argument was that even though the Marines seem as the bad guys the situation could be easily reversed? O_O My argument was directed at you no one else... .-. Would you like me to tell you how slavery and torture are wrong cause just about every government on this planet had both at one time or another.... Not saying they're good cause obviously we know they're not... Just trying to show another side to the story you're trying to tell...
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umm how is batman and gang wars related to slavery and torture? its doesnt..i.e ur argument is redundant.
now ur gona compare the past? seriously? have u heard of United Nations?
from the top of my head there is only a handful of navy they showed a sense of 'good' garp, aokiji and coby, smokers 50-50
pirates..theres quite a few
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RH
...i cud extend these argument further but seems like a waste of time
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O_O I was trying to show that given proper information and background knowledge things can be reversed rather quickly. If you didn't notice which I'm guessing you didn't Gangs was a way of relating pirates to the real world this being you. I mean would you rather I say what if two groups of pirates where fighting in your village and the marines came and killed off some and took the rest away. :| would that sound better to you I didn't think so cause honestly you aren't in the anime/manga are you?
I'm trying to point out that one group can't literally be labeled as good and one can't be labeled as bad cause both have corrupt and honorable men... but just like you said it seems we're both wasting our time...
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again that has nothing to do with the original statement that u quoted.
but for arguments sake lets look at ur example
two gangs, one does good, one does evil..cops come and hunt down both where is the good in that. if they really were god they'd team up with the good gang and remove the bad one
as for the batman reference..go back n chek why he took the title of dark knight
the marines are good but not the world government .I am not sure how many marines know of the slave trade among the celestial dragons .the revolutionary army is good , straw hats are good ,few of the pirate allies of straw hats are good ,few marines are good .The rest are all evil.