Mangetsu is NOT the strongest Seven Ninja Swordsmen

[Lightbringer]

But we don't know if the other members even attempted to try to learn and master the 6 other swords. We don't know if Mangetsu can do that move or not, Suigetsu may have only been able to expand his body that far because of an experiment by Orochimaru, that's why it's unsafe to assume these things.

I didn't underestimate his high chakra reserves, it is an incredible feat, but knowing Fuguki got it, Mangetsu didn't have the highest amount of chakra.

This kid actually -rep me.....what a fanboy

 

[TheBrightSide]

Zabuza IS the strongest, simply because he is. And are you really calling me retarded? For some reason, your stupid ass keeps bringing up Kisame, when if you could ****ing read i said EXCLUDING Kisame. haha your really ignorant. And everything you say, especially how you talk implies thats who you probably are though haha.

You're saying I look like a baby face 14 year old on my profile? Dude....I'm 16, play on the JV baseball team for one of the schools in Ohio, oh and one of the only girls on here, "Jazzy" commented on my profile saying I looked cool in the pic, so sack it.

Here, how about you post a pic of you on here, and lets see how funny looking you are.

Haha hardly matters since Mangetsu and any of the swordsmen shown in the anime would beat him decently easy. Although im sure you will come back saying that isnt canon. I cant believe you are attempting to incite a **** measuring contest over the internet ahaha but im game. I cant even explain how hard i laughed at you mentioning one of the girls on here commented on your pic saying you look "cool." Congratulations. A girl on a Naruto forum said you look cool. I cant tell you how little bearing that should have on any one heres life. Fantastic on baseball pal. Requires some real athleticism huh? My first year of wrestling i was second in my region and play on my varsity lacrosse team which has been in the state championship two years in a row. Even though im not, i could simply be bullshitting anything i say right now. As far as a picture goes i dont know how to upload one i get them all off the internet. If youre so curious to the kind of life i live go ahead and read my thread on my New Years.

 

[TheBrightSide]

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Haha ive repped you too many times recently so it wont let me but take some imaginary rep

 

[Draphsin]

And no thats not by my logic.........................................the SNWOM was mainly feared because of the hidden mist and silent killing, so thats why i think it puts Zabuza above the other members because he was the best at those techs

you dont need hidden mist for silent killing, thats just what made zabuza the best, they were all exceptional at it but he just had an advantage. That doesnt mean hes stronger than them in fact that could mean the opposite. maybe zabuza needed to silent kill because he couldnt face regular s-class nin (like kakashi) in direct confrontation?

But we don't know if the other members even attempted to try to learn and master the 6 other swords. We don't know if Mangetsu can do that move or not, Suigetsu may have only been able to expand his body that far because of an experiment by Orochimaru, that's why it's unsafe to assume these things.

I didn't underestimate his high chakra reserves, it is an incredible feat, but knowing Fuguki got it, Mangetsu didn't have the highest amount of chakra.

No but it wouldve been mentioned, or they wouldnt've mentioned it in the first place about mangetsu. he's obviously the only one capable just as zabuza is the only one capable of using hidden mist jutsu, the manga stated both of these as facts so dont look for any loophole that might mean otherwise about the swords. He can only do it /debate

Now, as for the body expansion, suigetsu tanking a tbb automatically makes him tough stuff, so why would he still have aspirations to surpass his brother? With that body expansion jutsu alone he should be able to take him due to sheer force but the fact that he still praises his brother as stronger than him clearly means mangetsu can match that kind of power. And if you think about it, how else would mangetsu be able to take on his brother with such a jutsu? he simply cant and so he would need to be able to expand just as large or maybe even larger to be able to even stand a chance. Hence, the reason he does have body expansion

 

[ShaneEyyy]

This kid actually -rep me.....what a fanboy

Oh you sound cool, calling me a kid on a naruto forum, you must feel like a stud.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

He connected himself to an already existing source of water.

The fact remains, he's got immunity to Taijutsu, Kenjutsu, and Suiton.
A lot of shinobi rely on those skills to overcome their adversaries.

Also, don't negative rep someone who is merely disagreeing.

I didn't, its the rude pic that made me. And no he doesnt. Mangetsu can be beaten out on Tai and Kenjutsu if theres a lightning enhanced blade, so he isnt immune to it

 

[Pekoms]

I didn't, its the rude pic that made me. And no he doesnt. Mangetsu can be beaten out on Tai and Kenjutsu if theres a lightning enhanced blade, so he isnt immune to it

I know, that's why I didn't say anything about Raiton.
Still, Raiton streaming isn't something that is common (aside from some Kumo-nin and Sasuke).

At the end of the day, neither of them want to deal with Raiton.

I still stand by what I said, almost all ninja tools are meaningless.
Any Taijutsu or Kenjutsu without Raiton is meaningless.
Population: Non-Raiton users > Raiton users

I'm not attempting to belittle Zabuza or his skills.
Mangetsu has the potential to negate entire fighting styles.
If shinobi can't use what they know, their likely going to fear Mangetsu more.


P.S.- Waiting for a response.

 

[TheBrightSide]

Oh you sound cool, calling me a kid on a naruto forum, you must feel like a stud.

Haha did you not do the exact same thing with me earlier? Even though im older than you

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Haha did you not do the exact same thing with me earlier? Even though im older than you

How old exactly are you......

 

[TheBrightSide]

How old exactly are you......

17 my friend

 

[Klad]

For me,Kisame is the strongest swrodsmen!!

 

[SoulKiller]

Why everyone is mad the guys stated his opinion and gives with explanation unlike other people who post useless threads I respect your opinion and good job on details and I agree Zabuza is one of the strongest 7sword of most but not the strongest .

 

[ShaneEyyy]

17 my friend

only a year older i see

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Why everyone is mad the guys stated his opinion and gives with explanation unlike other people who post useless threads I respect your opinion and good job on details and I agree Zabuza is one of the strongest 7sword of most but not the strongest .

Exactly, I provided well thought out explanations and minor evidence. I don't understand a majority of the people on here which is why I'm starting to just VM the logical guys.

But since you replied in a very logical and non-irrational manner, *****

 

[Pekoms]

Waiting for a response to my last post.

 

[Draphsin]

Waiting for a response to my last post.

so am i

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Waiting for a response to my last post.

Mangetsu can only change his body into water....that's it. his SK is useless because he doesnt have the mist for a surprise attack

He has the Hiramekarei, high chakra levels, and hydrification tech, thasts it.

Zabuza has Kubikiribocho, good chakra levels, hidden mist tech, large scale suitons, and 2 supplementary suitons, and the BEST silent killing. He's overall more stronger in general if pinned against other characters.

Basically, Mangetsu is too 1 dimensional, yea I agree he is immune to most tai/kenjutsu, but to chakra absorbers, lightning, possible advanced Katon style(if a Katon is powerful enough and used against a Suiton, sometimes it can cancel the Suiton out and create steam, this may be possible to put Mangetsu is a special form), and even regular genjutus. Becuase really, Mangetsu has nothing to get out of Genjutsu or avoid it, Zabuza has mist though to avoid it

 

[Pekoms]

Mangetsu can only change his body into water....that's it. his SK is useless because he doesnt have the mist for a surprise attack

He has the Hiramekarei, high chakra levels, and hydrification tech, thasts it.

Zabuza has Kubikiribocho, good chakra levels, hidden mist tech, large scale suitons, and 2 supplementary suitons, and the BEST silent killing. He's overall more stronger in general if pinned against other characters.

Basically, Mangetsu is too 1 dimensional, yea I agree he is immune to most tai/kenjutsu, but to chakra absorbers, lightning, possible advanced Katon style(if a Katon is powerful enough and used against a Suiton, sometimes it can cancel the Suiton out and create steam, this may be possible to put Mangetsu is a special form), and even regular genjutus. Becuase really, Mangetsu has nothing to get out of Genjutsu or avoid it, Zabuza has mist though to avoid it

Having Hiramekarei is a significant advantage though, it's reach and speed are incredibly dangerous.

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Zabuza can't afford to be hit by high level Katon or Raiton either.

Having to rely on the Hidden Mist Technique does make Zabuza one-dimensional.

Mangetsu may be unable to avoid Genjtsu.
He can certainly endure things that Zabuza can't.

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From what I've read here, weaknesses must be taken advantage of to defeat Mangetsu.
No one has to focus on any specific weakness that Zabuza possesses.

You've focused extensively on Mangetsu's weaknesses.
The same cannot be said for the limitations that Zabuza has.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Having Hiramekarei is a significant advantage though, it's reach and speed are incredibly dangerous.

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Zabuza can't afford to be hit by high level Katon or Raiton either.

From what we've seen, weaknesses must be taken advantage of to defeat Mangetsu.
No one has to focus on any specific weakness that Zabuza possesses.

Having to rely on the Hidden Mist Technique does make Zabuza one-dimensional.

Mangetsu may be unable to avoid Genjtsu.
He can certainly endure things that Zabuza can't.

Yea but Zabuza doesnt have to worry about Katon or Raiton because of the mist, you cant use Katon or Raiton at someone you cant see.

Zabuza doesnt just have to rely on mist, he still has very great suiton techs and very high level taijutsu with incredible strength and hes fast.

So Mangetsu is weak against 2/5 main elements, these elements making his jutsu useless, if he uses Hydrification tech he loses by steaming of some sort (katon) or paralyzes (raiton)

So, overall Mangetsu is weak against 40% ninjutsu, strong for taijutsu, and completely weak against genjutsu......Zabuza is very strong with Ninjutsu, Taijutsu/Ken, and has the mist to protect him from all Genjutsu besides sound.

Zabuza is overall stronger

 

[Pekoms]

Yea but Zabuza doesnt have to worry about Katon or Raiton because of the mist, you cant use Katon or Raiton at someone you cant see.

Zabuza doesnt just have to rely on mist, he still has very great suiton techs and very high level taijutsu with incredible strength and hes fast.

So Mangetsu is weak against 2/5 main elements, these elements making his jutsu useless, if he uses Hydrification tech he loses by steaming of some sort (katon) or paralyzes (raiton)

So, overall Mangetsu is weak against 40% ninjutsu, strong for taijutsu, and completely weak against genjutsu......Zabuza is very strong with Ninjutsu, Taijutsu/Ken, and has the mist to protect him from all Genjutsu besides sound.

Zabuza is overall stronger

Your just speculating about Mangetsu's weakness to Katon.
He is still immune to Taijutsu and Kenjtutsu that don't involve Raiton.
Suiton and Ninja Tools are also meaningless.

Hiramekarei > Kubikiribocho
It's rather important.

Anyone with Fuuton can just blow the mist away.
Anyone with Katon can cause it to evaporate.
Anyone with good hearing/smelling can overcome the disadvantage of the mist.
Any sensor can pinpoint him, summonings can also do it.

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There's a lot of things for Zabuza to be concerned about.