Manga-Canon Snobs Irritate Me

[sG Taka]

Semi-related to this thread, something I hate much more than canon-snobs is people who disregard what was said in the manga. Things like Itachi saying the best he could do vs Jiraiya is a tie is simply disregarded. And on that same topic, people say Kisame could take on Jiraiya despite the fact that Kisame stated Jiraiya is on a completely different level.

They'll use the manga when it backs up their facts, but when the manga states a fact that defeats their argument, they make up an excuse for why it was said.

I agree up to a certain extent. People tend to analyze certain character quotes and either misinterpret them or exaggerate them.

Like the famous: "HO HO HO, You were called the Professor for knowing every jutsu in the Leaf" or something like that..

 

[Tartarus]

Eh, I only consider "filler" if it appears during a canon story arc, anything that happens in a filler arc doesn't exist to me.

 

[sunnex]

This much I agree. As long as it's logical there shouldn't be a problem.



BUT the problem with this is, what "makes sense" is relative. It can be tweaked by anyone to what they want it to mean. That's why people strictly reject any non-manga material. Because if you don't draw the line somewhere then people are going to use nothing but assumptions.

What's "logical" can range anywhere from being absolutely sound in a reasonable person's argument, to being completely idiotic and absurd in a moron's argument. See what I mean? We need to draw the line somewhere.





Well, Kakashi said that high level Jounins are able to use 2 or 3 elements. Even if we were to assume Kakashi could use low D rank techniques fir Fire it would still mean he has that element, which is where the problem comes in.

Bare and simple, we haven't seen any hint that Kakashi can use Fire or Wind in the manga, so in that case we'd be giving him an entire skillset based on no evidence.





lol...*sigh*

See what I mean? Above I mentioned how morons can bring up completely ridiculous points? You just proved it right there with that ShinobiX guy. The scenario is reversed, but my general point is the same.

If we don't draw the line somewhere, then it'd get even worse than this. People would be saying things like, "Sasuke could use the Rasengan because...uhh...he's a genius".



If we strictly hold back on anime exclusive material, then it only makes debates and arguments better because it forces us to work with what's already been presented - the facts

If we allowed anime material to influence our manga-related discussions then it only opens the door for people to barge in guns blazing full of assumptions of what they think "logical" means

Good point. +rep

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Well I count everything in the storyline in the manga even if it's extra from the manga. But as far as the fillers and movies go...I mean remember in the bonds movie when Naruto and Sasuke worked together and Sasuke took the scroll back to Oro to perfect an immortality jutsu? Well we never saw the results of that in the anime and it was never mentioned like it never happened. Does that mean it never happened? Idk...I'm more accepting of fillers, but the movies seem to always come out of left field you know what I mean?

I get were you coming from but for my self I take in every peice of information

like i said if they never show up in manga it can't be considered canon since that's how it goes that's the rule,

or the OP want to make a new rule based on his personal opinion ? since when fans decided what canon and non canon ?

but well at least u are being polite and considerable unlike the OP:noc:

I don't think the OP ment it as to be unpolite I think he's just frustrated with people only being one sided on the issue for example you said when do fans decided what canon and non canon.

In anime it showed that Gaara's sand is weak against water in two different events then after his fight with the 2nd Mizukage it stated it again so alot of people who watch fillers would have know that so that was fair game we all know good logic and bad ones it's just when you use them in the right cases soar loser wanna act like babies because there were proven wrong happened to me a couple of times

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Or Naruto Episode 216 When we found out that gaara sand is weak against water

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[kaka96]

I get were you coming from but for my self I take in every peice of information



I don't think the OP ment it as to be unpolite I think he's just frustrated with people only being one sided on the issue for example you said when do fans decided what canon and non canon.

In anime it showed that Gaara's sand is weak against water in two different events then after his fight with the 2nd Mizukage it stated it again so alot of people who watch fillers would have know that so that was fair game we all know good logic and bad ones it's just when you use them in the right cases soar loser wanna act like babies because there were proven wrong happened to me a couple of times

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Or Naruto Episode 216 When we found out that gaara sand is weak against water

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Any kind of idiot can figure out that sand is weak to water >.>

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Any kind of idiot can figure out that sand is weak to water >.>

this LOL

 

[Better]

Excite -_- thats oil not water

Sand is weak against oil

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Any kind of idiot can figure out that sand is weak to water >.>

Truth be told alot of people would have not know lol reason being sand is made of earth and earth beats water.

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Excite -_- thats oil not water

Sand is weak against oil

Exbit A I rest my case lol

 

[Melizzle]

Any kind of idiot can figure out that sand is weak to water >.>

To me it doesn't make sense that Gaara is weak to water. Btw its only been mentioned once that a user was using liquid resembling oil not all of them. Even so....the way that Gaara's sand control works he should be able to squeeze the water or oil (water more easily) out of his sand. We've seen him compact sand before with that eyeball he makes and his sand armor, ultimate defense, all that s***.

 

[kaka96]

To me it doesn't make sense that Gaara is weak to water. Btw its only been mentioned once that a user was using liquid resembling oil not all of them. Even so....the way that Gaara's sand control works he should be able to squeeze the water or oil (water more easily) out of his sand. We've seen him compact sand before with that eyeball he makes and his sand armor, ultimate defense, all that s***.

I realized sand was weak to water the very first time I went to the beach

Water > Sand castle

 

[Melizzle]

I realized sand was weak to water the very first time I went to the beach

Water > Sand castle

yes but when you squeeze the water out of the sand you can structure it again. In fact you have to get the sand wet to be able to build a sand castle at all lol

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

yes but when you squeeze the water out of the sand you can structure it again. In fact you have to get the sand wet to be able to build a sand castle at all lol

Yes that's exactly what he did actually in anime but it still took time and it leaves you like a sitting duck to a disadvantage and it makes the sand heavier so it's much more harder to move but he still can move it and squeeze water out of it.

I realized sand was weak to water the very first time I went to the beach

Water > Sand castle

See told you , if you didn't have filler information to back it up???

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

See told you , if you didn't have filler information to back it up???

that just information not character or character jutsu and yet in the manga they stated sand is weak against oil

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

that just information not character or character jutsu and yet in the manga they stated sand is weak against oil

RRRRRRIIIIIGGGHHT xd

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[Vasto Lordé]

Yeah, they have some agreement about copyrights, Kishi has some cash from Pierrot for using his characters, but thats that.

How did you know that??? Is Kishi your friend or do you stalk him, You can never know what really happens between them. Use logic, and I agree with the thread.

 

[-The Agent-]

I actually went through and read this whole thread and I will say a lot of you are missing the point. You point out characters in movies and fillers showing up in the manga and claim it's kishimoto's doing. You know what it probably is, BUT that still does not affect the Naruto story he is writing through the Manga.

Kakashi knows 1000 jutsus but nobody would have just assumed he knew Rasengan until Kishimoto stated it. Same goes for Fire element, we cant just assume he knows it unless it's in the Manga, and that goes for everything. There may be non cannon references, and foreshadowing, but until he writes it in the Manga then we can't use it for debate.

That's just my opinion

 

[UnrealSoul]

I actually went through and read this whole thread and I will say a lot of you are missing the point. You point out characters in movies and fillers showing up in the manga and claim it's kishimoto's doing. You know what it probably is, BUT that still does not affect the Naruto story he is writing through the Manga.

Kakashi knows 1000 jutsus but nobody would have just assumed he knew Rasengan until Kishimoto stated it. Same goes for Fire element, we cant just assume he knows it unless it's in the Manga, and that goes for everything. There may be non cannon references, and foreshadowing, but until he writes it in the Manga then we can't use it for debate.

That's just my opinion

Well it's about time someone started makeing sense.I agree couldn't of said it better.

 

[siyo]

"Manga-canon snubs" ? Really? You mean people who actually support their claim using the evidence Kishi himself provided?Yup, sounds really snobby...

Kishi holds all the power and just because non-canonical elements later became canonical doesn't mean the anime dictates the manga.Quite the opposite, it's Kishi who can decide to like a certain element and incorporate it into his manga- not the other way around.

 

[BigTDogg220]

Seriously, things that happen in only-Anime episodes should count for discussions and VS threads as long as they follow the Narutoverse logic.

I hate how people disregard jutsus, events and people that are not in the Manga. Jutsus are usually directly related to the user's abilities and capacities and are completely logical and reasonable within Narutoverse. Same goes for events and people.

For example, Kakashi.

Kakashi has a couple of jutsus like Fire Ball: Great Fireball Technique and the Front Lotus, which are Anime-only. Why can't they be taken into account when having a VS thread or any type of discussion regarding Kakashi's character?

Kakashi has a sharingan, he is said to know over 1000 techniques.
Kakashi is an elite-jounin and also a genius who reached Jonin at age 12.

Why can't we attribute these skills to Kakashi? His affinity is lightning, but he has two other "canon" elements of Earth and Water. Kakashi being able to use D and C rank techniques for another elements is not unrealistic or highly unlikely.Also, anybody can learn the Eight Gates with the correct amount of training and determination. So, why can't an exceptionally skilled ninja like Kakashi not be able to learn how to release the First Gate?

It's not like we see Ten Ten using the Byakugan.

People tend to take the "Manga-only" thing to an extreme and use it only when it favors them.

For example, ShinobiX.

He said that Itachi never killed any children or old, crippled men because the manga didn't show it. In fact, he said Sasuke was the only child in the whole Uchiha clan.

Are you kidding me? Seriously? Kishi doesn't have time to explain these things.

People need to think outside the box. Humph..

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Excite:

Gari and Pakura have totally different techniques than those used by Hiraku in the film. Same goes for Storm Release its completely different than Darui's attack. The reason I don't take fillers and films as Canon is because of things like that which don't line up. If Hiraku had Gari and Pakura's kekkei genkai then I would be more likely to agree. If his Storm Release resembled Darui's in the slightest I might respond differently, but they don't. The fillers just don't match up with the anime most of the time. There are a few that do like Tales of a Gutsy Ninja which is about Jiraiya but outside of those few its just off.

In terms of disagreements between anime and fillers its only natural for it to happen when things don't agree. For example in Dragonball manga Piccolo only has 4 fingers not five. If I had only read the manga and you had only watched the anime we are going to disagree even though both happened just in different forms like anime and manga. It's the same with people who read books and people who watch movies. Movies often change the work that was done in the book or comic. While they have the author's permission it doesn't make it the author's work. To me anime fillers are to manga what movies are to the book or comic...slightly different than the author's original work.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

"Manga-canon snubs" ? Really? You mean people who actually support their claim using the evidence Kishi himself provided?Yup, sounds really snobby...

Kishi holds all the power and just because non-canonical elements later became canonical doesn't mean the anime dictates the manga.Quite the opposite, it's Kishi who can decide to like a certain element and incorporate it into his manga- not the other way around.

if u don't agree with the OP he will call u simple minded LOL