Well said.Too bad I can't rep you.
Lol, his problem then.Anime is fine in the context of speculation/assumption just not as an actual fact, unless kishi decides to take something from it.
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Manga-Canon Snobs Irritate Me
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well in a filler Ep (i don't think it was a movie), It was Said that Lee and Gai are faster then sound when they are Gated.
Also a recent one with konohamaru vs temari.
his rasengan done far more damage than any rasengan base naruto has done thus far.
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Also a recent one with konohamaru vs temari.
his rasengan done far more damage than any rasengan base naruto has done thus far.
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Naruto3462
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I think that by accepting some things from the anime, and not others, we're opening up the doors to a whole lot of "It's perfectly realistic", "no it isn't n00b!".. you know? It would be too hard to draw the line between what is plausible in the fillers and what isn't, although I do totally agree with you. I just think that it's less of a headache to just not accept anything in the anime only.. but that's just my opinion. But I do totally agree with you about the Uchiha children and old men issue, even if we don't take the facts given outside of the manga.. we have to be logical.
I'm not saying the water has no effect or isn't a burdern. It will slow him down a little bit at most to dry the sand to a point where it's usable easily but I'm saying its not as big of a deal as its made out to be. He compresses sand at such a speed that it breaks bones with sand coffin he cant squeeze out a little water? Especially since if his gourd sand get wet he can just use the sand that hes standing on, or the sand that's next to him or all over the world. It's a nearly limitless supply unless hes fighting underwater so its made out to be more of a hindrance than it actually is.
I know it's not as big as it's made out to be but the same goes for wind and fire :| I mean .... if fire reacted like that to wind, all of earth would have been burned to nothing hundreds of thousands of years ago :|
Wich on it's own explains that apparently no , he can't squeeze it as it get too heavy
FloriGlori
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I totally sign this, along with everything you said benath.
There may be filler stuff that's pretty logical, but on the other hand there's the crazy shit, like Pain using Shinra Tensei without interval, blocking some kind of laser-beam from Naruto with his hand or surviving being smashed into the ground like a nail. If we declare certain filler-contents as valid but others not, where's the border? Who decides which content should be valid and which not? That's the big problem, not only when it comes to Naruto. So the golden rule is 'Manga content is canon, Aime-exclusive content not'.
Very good to both you guys. That's what I've been trying to say but apparently we don't make sense U_U
+rep to both
eyesofthekyuubi44
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When is the last time you've seen Kakashi use fire? When is the last time we even saw Hiruko? They were both one-shots in anime only.
This is the reason I don't count anime or filler. Most of the time it is just one shot stuff. I mean, The Lost Tower kind of implemented the fact that Naruto uses a Rasengan that will never be seen again when he fused Rasengans with his father and made that huge one.
I don't ever agree with ShinobiX, and even took your side in your argument, but I haven't seen other children in the Uchiha clan other than Sasuke either. It seemed that the clan was somewhat small to begin with.
Gari, Pakura, and the Lightning Swords could have just been an idea/ character designs that Kishimoto liked and decided to incorporate into the manga.
I mean a guy that looked like Chuukichi was also seen assimilated inside of Hiruko. Hiruko also never used Gari or Pakura's KG.
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lanakau888
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only manga counts as cannon.
If you want to include anime feats, then you should state it in the opening post of the thread.
And 'narutoverse logic' is based on the manga, if you want to use filler that 'obeys narutoverse logic' then you wouldn't need to use the filler scene since there would be evidence in manga cannon that supports the case you are trying to make.
Plus the whole 'obeys narutoverse logic' arguement is completely opinion-based as well, which adds an entire new dimension to an arguement, a dimension which will never be conclusive.
So in conclusion, only the manga is considered cannon in debates, but if you want to include anime feats as well, all you have to do is specify that anime feats are useable in that specific thread.
If you want to include anime feats, then you should state it in the opening post of the thread.
And 'narutoverse logic' is based on the manga, if you want to use filler that 'obeys narutoverse logic' then you wouldn't need to use the filler scene since there would be evidence in manga cannon that supports the case you are trying to make.
Plus the whole 'obeys narutoverse logic' arguement is completely opinion-based as well, which adds an entire new dimension to an arguement, a dimension which will never be conclusive.
So in conclusion, only the manga is considered cannon in debates, but if you want to include anime feats as well, all you have to do is specify that anime feats are useable in that specific thread.
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Gingka Uzumaki
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I just go on Video Games. :shrug: I agree that Naruto can use the Eight Gates because he's Naruto.
acdcrockgods
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actually filler's irritate me b/c they make no sense at all. it's all a bunch of bull that shouldn't be shown or put on air for newbie's who don't read the manga's like real fan's do. it confuse's them and when you talk to them they would say stuff like "i like the star jutsu and your like what jutsu? the one in the anime." than you're like it doesn't exist and they get confused that quick plz stop that shit just do like the old day's and take a break in the series show repeat's or something but don't make stuff up than it catch's up with the series and you have to make up all sort's of stupid thing's of why that took place. that's what destroyed all marvel movie's especially hulk film's
Sorry if this has already been mentioned in a previous post, but I didn't bother scrolling through 9 pages of comments just to check.
I don't find this topic that interesting either, and thus, only read the first page of it...
What if Kishimoto wrote the story of one of the filler arcs, like he did with the 6 tails filler arc? I find that very confusing as it's a filler, created by the anime developers, but it's Kishi himself who has written the story for it. So can we count that filler arc as canon then?
What's more confusing is that, if you could agree to that as an exception, then why haven't Naruto recognised Utakata in the latest manga chapters yet, while Killerbee recognized one of the Jinjuurikis from his village?
Is it;
A - Kishi didn't bother implanting it because it would confused the "manga only" followers.
B - He didn't see a point as it wouldn't attribute to the ongoing events.
C - He don't care and stamps it as no-cannon, even if he wrote the filler arc's story himself ?
I'll leave this open for debate.
I don't find this topic that interesting either, and thus, only read the first page of it...
I'm not going to say whether or not I'm for or against counting some of the Anime filler stuff as cannon, as I don't really care that much about such discussions, however there was something in your comment that caught my eye (see bold part).
What if Kishimoto wrote the story of one of the filler arcs, like he did with the 6 tails filler arc? I find that very confusing as it's a filler, created by the anime developers, but it's Kishi himself who has written the story for it. So can we count that filler arc as canon then?
What's more confusing is that, if you could agree to that as an exception, then why haven't Naruto recognised Utakata in the latest manga chapters yet, while Killerbee recognized one of the Jinjuurikis from his village?
Is it;
A - Kishi didn't bother implanting it because it would confused the "manga only" followers.
B - He didn't see a point as it wouldn't attribute to the ongoing events.
C - He don't care and stamps it as no-cannon, even if he wrote the filler arc's story himself ?
I'll leave this open for debate.
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BigTDogg220
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Yeah I made a thread a while back regarding Naruto recognizing Utakata. Naruto didn't even bat an eye or get pissed off like he would normally do for someone he considers a friend.
It's like @Exaar said. Konohamaru's rasengan blew a massive hole into the ground while we never saw Naruto's base rasengan do anything along such a line. Even now Naruto's normal rasengan wouldn't do something so massive.
There are too many inconsistencies to look at the anime and movies and say that's absolutely canon. The same is true with most series though like DBZ...not one of the movies lined up with the events of the manga. For example in the Tree of Life, how on earth could Goku know kaioken, but not Super Saiyan and have all the Earth's Special Forces be alive. Earth's Special Forces were all dead when Goku showed up to fight Vegeta and Nappa, for the exception of Gohan and Krillin, and the only one who was resurrected before Goku turn into a Super Saiyan was Piccolo.
It's just how it goes down. I read every Naruto manga, but I don't watch all the anime and since the anime adds things that never occur in the manga, which is made by Kishimoto, it only makes sense to go with the manga as the true canon. I mean unless Gari and Pakura had twins with different kekkai genkai...and some crazy kid Sora had 9 tails chakra sealed inside of him.
chilidogbizkut
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The creator of the anime tends to be very careless with the random crap he throws into the show
-The Agent-
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Most likely C, Kishi might have a hand in fillers and what not since characters are the same, but he still decides what happens in the Manga. Also, when I meant draws and says I meant strictly Manga. Naruto not recognizing Utaka even though they build a bond through fillers. But Killer Bee recognizing the other Jinchu from his village is understandable since they were from the same exact village.
I go by what the Manga says, because according to the Anime Kurama knows wind, and fire elements. But when Naruto gains control of his chakra he only gets super speed, and the ability to sense hate and negativity. The latter is what I would go by.
lanakau888
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Naruto episode 167 is the reason manga is cannon and anime is not.
That episode is so ridiculous I even made a thread about it.
That episode is so ridiculous I even made a thread about it.
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Hydro Spiral
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Well there's filler certain adaptations that I like, such as Sasuke VS Deidara, Hinata/KN6 VS Pain, the recent episodes with Naruto's training, and a few decent fillers for the lulz, but I think it's always better to stick to the substance..[Manga..And Databooks too I suppose, as they're also written by Kishi]..
Kishi knows his own story best afterall.
Kishi knows his own story best afterall.
