Madara vs Minato
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Totsuka No Tsurugi
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DigitalMonster
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Madara wins with moderate difficulty.He has counter for Hiraishin: Asura path. The mechanicals in Asura's path abdomen are perfect counter for Kunai-slash;since it is harder than normal human skin.While Rasengan is hillariously made into a bitch.
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Tobi, who's sharingan was powerful enough to control the 9 tails and put the mizukage under genjutsu, did'nt even see that coming, so its a fair assertion.
Totsuka No Tsurugi
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actually tobi know that minato will manage to catch baby naruto that's why he put the paper bomb
Well, honestly, we haven't seen all of their abilities, have we? So based on what we (I) know I think Minato will win. Minato is a genius who figured out Tobi and how to actually hit him. He thinks rapidly and comes up with a plan fast, besides he's Konoha's Yellow Flash and the 4th Hokage. Madara couldn't defeat the 1st Hokage, so why would he beat the 4th one? True, they have different abilities, but I think Minato is stronger than the 1st. I would bet on Minato....or, they're both dead (Minato is not edo tensei) so they won't even fight. 
DigitalMonster
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There is no doubt that Minato is a fast ninja. This is undeniable. But exactly how fast is he without Hirashin? Truth be told, he's only around Killer Bee's level of speed.
His best Shunshin feats are getting Kushina out of the way of the Kyuubi's attack and getting her on top of a far away tree,
Let's deal with the second "feat" first.
To start with, we see the Kyuubi being pushed out of the village, clearly not from where Konoha's gates are.
Another thing that stops this from being a good feat is the fact that we know Minato gives Hirashin seal tags to people, can place them on people's bodies, and even incorporates them on people's seals.
For a ninja like Minato, it is doubtful that he did not give at least one seal tag to Hiruzen and some of the other ninjas fighting in the area, signifiantly lessening the impact of this feat.
However, this doesn't change the fact that the first feat was indeed a good feat.
Moving in an instant from where the Kyuubi's claw was to where he ended up at the tree was a beautiful feat. It's just...Killer bee already performed a similar feat against Sasuke and the rest of Taka.
The point that I am trying to convey is not that Minato's feats aren't good feats, but that people on his and Killer Bee's level, like Itachi, could very likely replicate those feats. We shouldn't use these distance feats as proof that he could blitz another ninja of similar speed or tier. When faced against Madara, Minato did not "blitz" anyone (with his base speed).
His best Shunshin feats are getting Kushina out of the way of the Kyuubi's attack and getting her on top of a far away tree,
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as well as supposedly shunshining "across Konoha" to attack the Kyuubi with Gamabunta.Let's deal with the second "feat" first.
To start with, we see the Kyuubi being pushed out of the village, clearly not from where Konoha's gates are.
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We can see from Minato's point of view that the Fox is not facing the same angle as the mountain bust, thus it is not on the other side of Konoha, at least not diameter wise.
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Instead, the distance between Minato and the Kyuubi is a much shorter chord. It is not the full distance across Konoha at all.Another thing that stops this from being a good feat is the fact that we know Minato gives Hirashin seal tags to people, can place them on people's bodies, and even incorporates them on people's seals.
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For a ninja like Minato, it is doubtful that he did not give at least one seal tag to Hiruzen and some of the other ninjas fighting in the area, signifiantly lessening the impact of this feat.
However, this doesn't change the fact that the first feat was indeed a good feat.
Moving in an instant from where the Kyuubi's claw was to where he ended up at the tree was a beautiful feat. It's just...Killer bee already performed a similar feat against Sasuke and the rest of Taka.
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The point that I am trying to convey is not that Minato's feats aren't good feats, but that people on his and Killer Bee's level, like Itachi, could very likely replicate those feats. We shouldn't use these distance feats as proof that he could blitz another ninja of similar speed or tier. When faced against Madara, Minato did not "blitz" anyone (with his base speed).
Small extra note, Minato managing to move across the room to catch Naruto before Madara brought his hand up is eerily similar to how Itachi managed to dodge Killer Bee's surprise attack and move back roughly 15 meters before Killer Bee even came down, or Naruto recovered from his own strike. Of course, one of these distances is larger than the other, but you can be the judge of that.
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Yeah.....right.
Sakura did'nt even move there, she just punched the damn puppet. Minato covered about 20-30 metres in .0001 seconds. Do the math, or wear spectacles, looks like you could use them.
Difficult choice...i'd say probably madara because of the EMS/Rinnegan boosts. But it would be difficult. Minato's speed and precision are the best we've seen. And his space manipulation...If he had lived a few more years he'd perfect them and be able to do much more with them. I think that taking from what we've seen so far, Madara would win...but with a kunai stuck somewhere in his body. lol
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Review my edit.And convince me otherwise.I don't find his base speed to be insightful at all.
I know right!?OH OH and she did it prior to looking at the attack.
What a courage to wrote that without reading your eye-soring post.
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Sorry to bust your bubble but that's all BS. You're wrong on sooo many levels. None of the comparisons are valid. Rather than painstakingly explaining each and every point to you , i'll pose this simple question to you:
Killer Bee and Itachi were/are known to the whole ninja world, so was Minato. Why then did Minato get the nickname of the yellow flash for his speed, why were enemy ninjas ordered to run on sight if they came across him and why was'nt that ever the case with Bee or Itachi? Itachi's speed comparison was truly hilarious. Never mind that the Raikage who's fought tons of shinobi called Minato the fastest in the wrold, but kakashi was probably as fast as Itachi, proven when they fight when Itachi comes to konoha and he's nowhere near minato's speed. I'm not trying to be a fanboy here, Madara would give a tough time to anybody no doubt but your analysis is not impartial.
Possibly. It all comes down to who strikes first. You know, come to think of it, we have no idea how much punishment Minato can take, unlike Naruto.
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Madara,
Dont get me wrong Minato is strong but Madara is better.
Madara has more experienced, he can use Rinnegan and has EMS plus has Susanoo.
Minato has seals, Rasengan and FTG.
Both are intelligent but I say Madaras more intelligent since he figured how to awaken Rinnegan.
Dont get me wrong Minato is strong but Madara is better.
Madara has more experienced, he can use Rinnegan and has EMS plus has Susanoo.
Minato has seals, Rasengan and FTG.
Both are intelligent but I say Madaras more intelligent since he figured how to awaken Rinnegan.
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this ^^
Minato wud lose to this guy. He has his chances tho and may put up a fight but maybe not.