Madara > Naruto and Sasuke (Without Plot Convenience)

[Megatolium]

It just pisses me off how Madara conveniently forgot he had Susanoo, Mokuton, Shinsuusenju, Six Paths Jutsu (could've made Hashirama a puppet...) and a whole lot of Rinne OP powers.

What really stopped him from blasting Sasuke and Naruto far away with Shinra Tensei? Why didn't he absorb the Lava Rasenshuriken? Or use Susanoo to block it nonetheless? Shinsuusenju with Perfect Susanoo and Juubi is the ultimate trump card! :/

But then Kishi will probably retcon by saying Madara was saving up chakra...

Madara clearly had far more superior techs up his sleeve but used non of them.

 

[Supacharjed]

You make a point.

 

[HENI]

I hope you know Sasuke can remove the rods from Hashirama if Madara were to use him.. and also, none of the jutsu you listed can beat Naruto or Sasuke.

 

[LordRaikage]

His Arrogance got him killed and a BZ to the Chest.

 

[Megatolium]

His Arrogance got him killed and a BZ to the Chest.

Black Zetsu was a random asspull. Kishi knew Madara was too OP to be defeated normally.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

On top of all that.His limbo clones which were causing a problem for sasuke had doubled as soon as he got his other eye.
He then went on to corner them as he activated infinite tsukuyomi.

Hell he even dissected sasuke's move and determined its range wile fighting him and successfully escaping the attempt to seal him.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Oh yeah definitely. It's not like naruto and sasuke don't have counters for those jutsu. :|

 

[Megatolium]

On top of all that.His limbo clones which were causing a problem for sasuke had doubled as soon as he got his other eye.
He then went on to corner them as he activated infinite tsukuyomi.

Hell he even dissected sasuke's move and determined its range wile fighting him and successfully escaping the attempt to seal him.

True. He was clearly overpowering both of them when he got both eyes.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Black Zetsu was a random asspull. Kishi knew Madara was too OP to be defeated normally.

He actually stated he was unbeatable.

Many still don't understand how madara got taken down by zetsu.

Madara absorbed the tree which was kaguya's catalyst and given that madara thought zetsu was his will he wasn't on guard.
The problem wasn't that he hurt him it was that he paralyzed him with his connection.

madara had one half of kaguya and zetsu was the will.

Once they came in contact it was over for madara and he didn't even know.


If it wasn't for that they would be fighting tooth and nail against madara

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

He used Mokuton in the end... Shin: Jukai Kōtan on a planetary scale... Imagine his other Mokuton techs like the Wood Dragon. OPness. I know how you feel. Even his CT were not at full power. A JJ PS would too powerful too.

 

[Heruvim]

Plot.. he was immortal, got half of his body crushed,cut in half and he was laughing about it
Kaguya has indeed more chakra but its useless if all she's been doing its switching dimension and yell that all charka is hers.Kaguya is not an warrior, she attained godly powers then used them on fodders.
Unrestricted Madz > Kaguya

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Plot.. he was immortal, got half of his body crushed,cut in half and he was laughing about it
Kaguya has indeed more chakra but its useless if all she's been doing its switching dimension and yell that all charka is hers.Kaguya is not an warrior, she attained godly powers then used them on fodders.
Unrestricted Madz > Kaguya

Many will call BS to that but you're right.
Madara had similar powers but also had the experience and used ninjustu which was after her time.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Boohoo, you didn't know your own characters weakness.

You can't say that Madara was the only one not using all his abilities in that fight. Naruto never handed out kyuubi cloaks, They never used Kyuubi-Susanoo.

Every attack Madara used was countered. Naruto dealt with the Limbo clones, while Sasuke cut up most of the meteors. Sakura and Kakashi got through that fight unharmed, so clearly he wasn't hitting anyone.

 

[Megatolium]

Boohoo, you didn't know your own characters weakness.

You can't say that Madara was the only one not using all his abilities in that fight. Naruto never handed out kyuubi cloaks, They never used Kyuubi-Susanoo.

Every attack Madara used was countered. Naruto dealt with the Limbo clones, while Sasuke cut up most of the meteors. Sakura and Kakashi got through that fight unharmed, so clearly he wasn't hitting anyone.

Only displayed 2 techs out of the most powerful he had. Madara even said those meteors were mere "raindrops". It just served as a little distraction for him to use Infinite Tsukuyomi...

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Only displayed 2 techs out of the most powerful he had. Madara even said those meteors were mere "raindrops". It just served as a little distraction for him to use Infinite Tsukuyomi...

He called them raindrops, not in reference to their size, but in reference to the fact that he was dropping meteors on them like raindrops. Maybe he could have condensed them into one big one, but that wouldn't change anything.

Always remember that Madara is prone to exaggeration, especially in regards to hyping his own powers and belittling everyone elses. Learn your own characters mindset before you start these arguments.

Oh, and they countered Infinite Tsukiyomi as well.

 

[Mari Makinami]

Boohoo, you didn't know your own characters weakness.

You can't say that Madara was the only one not using all his abilities in that fight. Naruto never handed out kyuubi cloaks, They never used Kyuubi-Susanoo.

Every attack Madara used was countered. Naruto dealt with the Limbo clones, while Sasuke cut up most of the meteors. Sakura and Kakashi got through that fight unharmed, so clearly he wasn't hitting anyone.

/thread

 

[ANiMUS]

If Madara made PS then Sasuke and Naruto would have countered it with their fusion avatar. Inside that Avatar Naruto and Sasuke share powers.

ST would be countered by Amenotejikara. The giant Buddha even with PS could have gotten wrecked in at least two ways.
Steam release
BDRS

 

[Megatolium]

He called them raindrops, not in reference to their size, but in reference to the fact that he was dropping meteors on them like raindrops. Maybe he could have condensed them into one big one, but that wouldn't change anything.

Always remember that Madara is prone to exaggeration, especially in regards to hyping his own powers and belittling everyone elses. Learn your own characters mindset before you start these arguments.

Oh, and they countered Infinite Tsukiyomi as well.

Madara doesn't exist. No one in Narutoverse has there own "mindset". Everything they say and think contributes o the plot and conveys the authors thoughts and opinions.

But Madara was without doubt overpowering Naruto and Sasuke. He just used Mokuton on a planetary scale, Team 7 would hate to see what he could do with Six Paths and Mokuton as a whole.

 

[Monxstaa]

Black Zetsu was a random asspull. Kishi knew Madara was too OP to be defeated normally.

kishi said it himself lol

 

[Liquid Snake]

U can't absorb in juubi jin mode would have thought u learned that from obito madara doesn't have shinra tensei stop giving him moves and madara was only able to use obito as a puppet because of bz being attached to him not the rods and what good is hashi with minimal chakra ? Also u forgot Naruto was nerfed in the fight he didn't use the same moves against madara as kaguya and kaguya is way stronger than madara Naruto can match limbo clones and juubi jins lose they're sharigan techs hence why obito couldn't use kamui and sasuke chose to put the bijuus chakra in susanoo instead of himself u can't use susanoo as a juubi jin