Madara broke the Gates..

[Imperius]

No I said Madara was weakened. This is shown when he couldn't do anything against the wood dragon and the gates, until he was revived. Madara has shown to be too much of a prideful person to take sh*t from the guy he hates the most.

It was he himself who started attacking Hashirama to take control of him. And now he can, seeing as Hashirama is well in his current state.



which technique????

I actually provided Manga facts to prove my point.. but ok.

The thing is the current Madara doesn't prove anything about Madara > Hashirama... seeing as Hashirama already f*cked up form the previous fight... while Madara is back to healthy..

I was referring to the Myoujinmon and no you did not show manga facts where it actually states that "the stronger the opponent, the more gates". What's safe to assume as of now is that Hashirama can't make many without SM.

 

[KingHashirama]

I was referring to the Myoujinmon and no you did not show manga facts where it actually states that "the stronger the opponent, the more gates". What's safe to assume as of now is that Hashirama can't make many without SM.

Obito showed signs of more power = Hashirama threw down more gates... soooo yea... Because Hashirama had immobilized Madara with only those many...

 

[ll BL4CKM00N ll]

Hashirama was pushed to his limit fighting a Madara who really was more or less, playing the waiting game until obito was weakened. That's all it was and that's all it'll ever be.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama was pushed to his limit fighting a Madara who really was more or less, playing the waiting game until obito was weakened. That's all it was and that's all it'll ever be.

So now where is the proof of the waiting game?

Waiting game implies he was able to do something about him being restrained.. when the manga shows he couldn't until he was revived back.

 

[RikudoKami]

Duely noted, and I agree. Although....you said they were both tired, but Madara never showed to be such. Which is kinda weird because Hashirama is the only person there capable of pushing Madara. I kinda think Madara was just fighting to pass the time until he could strike Obito.

That's exactly what he was doing. First time he used RT Obito could still move so he could resist, the 2nd time, after the TB were extracted Obito was paralyzed so the process happened with greater haste and Obito couldn't resist. Madara was in control of the entire war since he was revived. Master tactician.

 

[ll BL4CKM00N ll]

So now where is the proof of the waiting game?

Waiting game implies he was able to do something about him being restrained.. when the manga shows he couldn't until he was revived back.

Is there really any lack of proof that he was playing the waiting game.

Fact Hashirama is the only on the battlefield who could absolutely push Madara to the edge. That being said, Hashi would have been shown making little of Madara's rinnegan and mokuton feats; that didn't happen thou. Instead what we saw in their current battle, was a stalemate between Madara's PS and Hashi's wood golem/wood Dragon combo and Madara giving Hashi a history lesson while the alliance handled obito. Then AFTER obito was defeated, Hashirama (who by the way seemed like he had quite the struggle) manages to capture madara (with a justu that he himself possesses) and even with the help of naruto couldn't even K.O. him, while he was focusing on the rinne tensie Justus. Can you honestly say he wasn't just bidding his time.

 

[FlemSmack]

Madara never broke the gates.

That was the sealing jutsu in the shape of a tiger that did that.

Madara switched bodies with Obito by taking over Zetsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara never broke the gates.

That was the sealing jutsu in the shape of a tiger that did that.

Madara switched bodies with Obito by taking over Zetsu.

No, he didn't. Rinne Tensei sacrifices the user to revive another person or multiple people. No body switch occurred.

 

[FlemSmack]

No, he didn't. Rinne Tensei sacrifices the user to revive another person or multiple people. No body switch occurred.

We will have to wait and see what happens.

The vibe I got from the chapter was that Madara revived himself using Black Zetsu's body and is now in control of Obito's body including the So6P shell.

I would not be surprised if I am wrong and that Madara has been revived in his edo body.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Hashirama was pushed to his limit fighting a Madara who really was more or less, playing the waiting game until obito was weakened. That's all it was and that's all it'll ever be.

People tend to forget hashirama is at 80% power meaning he is weaker than he was when he was alive - madara has rinnegan and base hashirama powers also ems - meaning he is stronger than he was while alive But madara still lost regardless whatever people say to make up excuses for madara he got pushed until he got drained a hella lot of chakra and then he had to wait for zetsu to do his job which led to madara getting all his chakra replenished meaning he is Madara + EMS + RINNEGAN + hashirama's base powers (senju dna) stronger powers ect ( more or less) more stamina ( than his alive self) and its safe to assume that he gained a new power of some kind that edo tensei was holding back ...

But
Alive hashirama > Alive EMS Madara(/w Kyubi)
EDO hashirama (weaker) > EDO Madara ( /w Rinnegan and Mokuton)
EDO hashirama (current < To Current Madara for naruto to get progression and finally surpass the older generation

I know that hashirama has to Lose to Either Madara/Naruto for naruto to actually surpass them he either fights and dies by madara (so naruto or sasukebeat madara -then naruto beats sasuke ) or hashirama joins madara and naruto beats them with sasuke its one or the other regardless hashirama is a beast and he is the true god of shinobi number 2 only to the sage of six paths ( madara needed/needs alot of power ups while hashirama gets degrading for him to match/beat him)

 

[KingHashirama]

Is there really any lack of proof that he was playing the waiting game.

Fact Hashirama is the only on the battlefield who could absolutely push Madara to the edge. That being said, Hashi would have been shown making little of Madara's rinnegan and mokuton feats; that didn't happen thou. Instead what we saw in their current battle, was a stalemate between Madara's PS and Hashi's wood golem/wood Dragon combo and Madara giving Hashi a history lesson while the alliance handled obito. Then AFTER obito was defeated, Hashirama (who by the way seemed like he had quite the struggle) manages to capture madara (with a justu that he himself possesses) and even with the help of naruto couldn't even K.O. him, while he was focusing on the rinne tensie Justus. Can you honestly say he wasn't just bidding his time.

Hashirama made preta path useles..... rofl.

Yea Hashirama was also struggling.. but the fact he has rods in his back.. shows that Madara was trying to get Hashirama, until he got put down by Hashirama.......

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

Of course the gates are weak(the small ones of course) since he seemingly broke them without even using susano.