Let's talk about racism

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Being a minority of the population isn't justification for Racism. How many non-blacks do you think live in Nigeria? Less than 1%. I did not pick Russia alone, or eastern Europe I could have picked China, my main point is that the results and figures shown in that map at least from my own background knowledge don't make sense(some are even absurd) or rather are not accurate representations.

I know it happens in Western Europe too. I did also say that I would look into it, because naruto vincere did make a fair point on the mass media trying to demonize his country.
Didn't say that but people are afraid for the unknown you know. Well there was a dutch guy getting kidnapped and freed from boko haram tho. I would rather see racism than terrorism towards people in this matter. Racism will always be there its better to just accept that and think that you're not going to be part of that.

Also almost every news here is anti-russian. There was an ukranian female crazy pilot that let russian journalists get killed and she got send to jail and now we hear here with videos of it that she probably wasn't getting a honest trial while there is proof all over the place and she is acting like one of those crazy 3 guys 1 hammer guys
 

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let's talk about the low iq of hawker
posting one of his 'stats'' you get everywhere on the net and most people know is bs anyway and has no real source nor truth behind it
and fails to realize that he's being the biggest racist here with his hating on the eastern people and destroying his own point in this thread with it
i don't know in what kind of a rock you live under but you have no clue about how racist the western people can be like any other person in this world

the only thing we can do is laugh at how retarded you make us europeans look with your daily threads filled with stupidity
just look in the thread belgistan.... has never been there and knows little to nothing about that country (best part is that he thinks 3-5% immigrants makes the whole nation and also thinks all of them are muslims but in reality most of them are non muslims like germans etc lol) but likes to put the muslims who live peacefully there with the little group of radicals in the same boat
 
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What is this nonsense? If you mean discrimination against black people than excuse me as I'll be laughing (very hard)

Also Americans/europeans are viewed as exotic creatures or aliens but treated like gods, trust me I know
 
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I would like to know exactly what was the sample population and region and exactly what was the question and how they define the term race for this survey. And what makes you think a single metric can lead to any definite conclusion in this regard.
The question is mentioned in the picture.

I don't know if they went on to define the term race, but does it really matter as it seems the general view on race is based on skin colour? Either way it means categorizing humans based on set of charasteristics.

Well in this case single metric can't make any definite conclusions because different questions about the same issue would perhaps lead to different answers. For example "who would you rather marry" etc. But I think these results could definitely be treated as indicative of racial tolerance. And thus it would be fair to draw some conclusions out of it.


let's talk about the low iq of hawker
posting one of his 'stats'' you get everywhere on the net and most people know is bs anyway and has no real source nor truth behind it
and fails to realize that he's being the biggest racist here with his hating on the eastern people and destroying his own point in this thread with it
i don't know in what kind of a rock you live under but you have no clue about how racist the western people can be like any other person in this world

the only thing we can do is laugh at how retarded you make us europeans look with your daily threads filled with stupidity
just look in the thread belgistan.... has never been there and knows little to nothing about that country (best part is that he thinks 3-5% immigrants makes the whole nation and also thinks all of them are muslims but in reality most of them are non muslims like germans etc lol) but likes to put the muslims who live peacefully there with the little group of radicals in the same boat
Resorts to personal attacks and labels World Values Survey made by economists as bs. Classic.

I use actual studies and surveys, you provide no arguments nor any data for your claims. All your posts are just full of butthurt.
 
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Not sure if this is legit, no reason why France should be the most racist country in western europe
Maybe because of people like these?:



Also:



France growing ‘more racist and intolerant’


France is condemned for increasing discrimination, intolerance of minorities and hate speech by the Council of Europe’s human rights commissioner

In recent years, there has been a huge increase in anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim and homophobic acts,” Mr Muižnieks said in a statement. “In the first half of 2014 alone, the number of anti-Semitic acts virtually doubled, while the number of Jews leaving France for Israel tripled compared with 2012, which is a telling indication of their feeling of insecurity.”


In light of that the study seems legit on that part.
 

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The premise of the survey has no relations to racism itself. Firstly, if I don't want a neighbour of another religion or ethnicity, I'm not racist for that. Racism is defined by an ethnicity superior to another one. Secondly, the survey you posted, I'm afraid, is not an academic source of information. I just searched for the author of that article, Mac Fisher, and he turns out to be some businessman and has no correlation to that survey. Thirdly, I find it amusing that a survey questioned on number of people somehow highlights an entire continent on the basis that they must also share the same view.

Your thread is a laughing stock.
 

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The premise of the survey has no relations to racism itself. Firstly, if I don't want a neighbour of another religion or ethnicity, I'm not racist for that. Racism is defined by an ethnicity superior to another one. Secondly, the survey you posted, I'm afraid, is not an academic source of information. I just searched for the author of that article, Mac Fisher, and he turns out to be some businessman and has no correlation to that survey. Thirdly, I find it amusing that a survey questioned on number of people somehow highlights an entire continent on the basis that they must also share the same view.

Your thread is a laughing stock.
1.Who said anything about religion or ethnicity? In people's minds race is generally determined by skin colour. If you treat one race (whatever the categorization it is that you use) different than the other and in this case in negative way, that is racism. If you say: I don't want blacks as my neighbours: that's intolerance and an indication of racism.

2. A professor responded to the article and did so in a way which validates it's info. Thus the data was used correctly.

3. Who said anything about a continent? This was about countries. And this is how studies about countries are done. They are not done by interviewing each and every citizen of each country.

Now you are probably thinking that you shouldn't never have opened your mouth in this thread. lol
 

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1.Who said anything about religion or ethnicity? In people's minds race is generally determined by skin colour. If you treat one race (whatever the categorization it is that you use) different than the other and in this case in negative way, that is racism. If you say: I don't want blacks as my neighbours: that's intolerance and an indication of racism.
Racist definition: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. Now that the first point is established, moving on to the second point.

The bold is actually false. In the Western World, a race is defined by skin colour. If you went to places in Middle East, South Asia and East Asia, a race is defined by the tribal culture, even though the people in those regions look the same. How do I know this? Because the political divisions in those regions is attributed by cultural causes and not ''skin colour'' like in the the West.

Your article failed to issue the racial meaning difference in different parts of the world.

If I don't want a neighbour of another one different to my views, that means I'm xenophobe or one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin.

A professor responded to the article and did so in a way which validates it's info. Thus the data was used correctly.
My God...read the freaking article that you post. You make yourself look more laughable. This is how the professor responded to the article made by some businessman:

''I say "controversially" because of the subject's sensitivity and because reducing such a complicated, subjective phenomenon to a single metric – the frequency with which people in a certain country said they would not want neighbors of a different race – is going to produce some highly disputable results.''

The article is not an academic source. It's made by a businessman and published by moderate bias-unbiased Washington Post media. Learn how to reference information.
3. Who said anything about a continent? This was about countries. And this is how studies about countries are done. They are not done by interviewing each and every citizen of each country.
Obviously a simple survey will never ask every citizen, unless you believe that the survey asked 320 million Americans or 700 million Europeans. The issue is that, the certain number of people they asked in those regions must also share the same view as the entire population. That's called fabrication.

Now you are probably thinking that you shouldn't never have opened your mouth in this thread. lol
Whoa, tough guy.
 

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1.Who said anything about religion or ethnicity? In people's minds race is generally determined by skin colour.
Um... What? If racism isn't used to denote ethnicity, categorizing brown skinned Indians as the most racist people on earth is a joke.

Also, from your links it appears most of what is being considered 'racist' in France is in fact a reaction to terror attacks/threats. There was another article from the same site u linked regarding the identification methods teachers should use to chalk out potential jihadis/extremists. I.e in other words, this doesn't reflect attitudes of racial superiority/inferiority viz a viz Nazi style real racism. So I'd still be cautious about just how accurate this poll is .
 

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Racist definition: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. Now that the first point is established, moving on to the second point.
That's not the only definition of racism.

From wikipedia:

"Racism is a product of the complex interaction in a given society of a race-based worldview with prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination. Racism can be present in social actions, practices, or political systems (e.g., apartheid) that support the expression of prejudice or aversion in discriminatory practices. "

Discrimination, hate and intolerance can also be displayed whether or not believing in superiority.

But you said: "Firstly, if I don't want a neighbour of another religion or ethnicity, I'm not racist for that." not for certain, but it definitely is an indication of a racial intolerance.

The bold is actually false. In the Western World, a race is defined by skin colour. If you went to places in Middle East, South Asia and East Asia, a race is defined by the tribal culture, even though the people in those regions look the same. How do I know this? Because the political divisions in those regions is attributed by cultural causes and not ''skin colour'' like in the the West.

Your article failed to issue the racial meaning difference in different parts of the world.

If I don't want a neighbour of another one different to my views, that means I'm xenophobe or one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin.
Both physical attributes and cultural matters are used to define "race" in places all over the world. They may vary from a continent to continent, but the term race itself inherently is used in association with the biological consept. Though I may be wrong to assert that sking colour is the most general way of defining race worldwide, but I said this on the basis that there are different coloured people in almost every country of the world. Thus people say: "we have different races".

And like I said discrimination based on views fall under the category of racism too and if you do that, it is an indication of a racial intolerance. Doesn't mean that you necessarily are a racist, but it's a strong hint in that direction.

My God...read the freaking article that you post. You make yourself look more laughable. This is how the professor responded to the article made by some businessman:

''I say "controversially" because of the subject's sensitivity and because reducing such a complicated, subjective phenomenon to a single metric – the frequency with which people in a certain country said they would not want neighbors of a different race – is going to produce some highly disputable results.''

The article is not an academic source. It's made by a businessman and published by moderate bias-unbiased Washington Post media. Learn how to reference information.
Yes I read it. And how did that professor refute those numbers or the way that the data was used? You saying it's not an academic source, while it is true, is quite irrelevant here. As long as the data is used correctly no one cares.

Obviously a simple survey will never ask every citizen, unless you believe that the survey asked 320 million Americans or 700 million Europeans. The issue is that, the certain number of people they asked in those regions must also share the same view as the entire population. That's called fabrication.
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Do you know what a sample is? Do you know how surveys are done?


Um... What? If racism isn't used to denote ethnicity, categorizing brown skinned Indians as the most racist people on earth is a joke.
What? When did I say racism isn't used to denote ethnicity?

Also, from your links it appears most of what is being considered 'racist' in France is in fact a reaction to terror attacks/threats. There was another article from the same site u linked regarding the identification methods teachers should use to chalk out potential jihadis/extremists. I.e in other words, this doesn't reflect attitudes of racial superiority/inferiority viz a viz Nazi style real racism. So I'd still be cautious about just how accurate this poll is .
Did you even read the link I posted? Again: France is condemned for increasing discrimination, intolerance of minorities and hate speech by the Council of Europe’s human rights commissioner . Those are the words of the Council of Europe's humans rights.

And whether the violence or terrorist attacks are the source of increased racism, it's still racism if it is directed generally at those certain ethnicities.

Racism: Discrimination, hate and intolerance. It definitely seems that those are the issues that consern France right now, wouldn't you agree? No one was talking about Nazi style racism per se.
 

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Moslems do not do well with pluralism. In their eyes everyone who lives outside of The Islam is less important and will join Hell anyways.

So I'm not surprised either.
Apparently, middle east = Muslims?
"In their eyes"? In every Muslims' eyes? So, even though I don't know who will and will not join hell, or that I don't think you're any less important than me, according to your "their eyes", I think what you think I think even though I don't think what you think I think? Basically, every Muslims in the world thinks the way you think they think? Sure, there are many radical minded idiots out there but apparently, we all are?
You've just solved everyone's problems, someone should give you a badge.
 
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