And there is no evidence from you that Susanoo Arrow can pierce a Bijuu Dama. "Because it can pierce" isn't an argument. I could make that same argument with every piercing attack in the manga, doesn't make it true, and it only reveals how flawed it is.
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What? I have asked you several times to bring me your own evidence for why TBB is as dense as you say it it. I know it is dense, and I know Enton arrows can pierce. You are basically asking me to bring you scans of an Enton arrow piercing Biju Dama, that's not even a refutation to begin with. I have showed you Enton arrow's feats and it being capable of ripping through things cleanly. Now it's your turn to bring me feats of TBB being as dense as you say it is, because in this scan, it is rather obious that TBB is somewhat elastic judging by its circular structure's change, thus isn't as dense you say it is [
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If you are referring to the center of the basketball, then your analogy still results in the knife getting plowed through as if it weren't there, same thing with the Bijuu Dama and the Arrow. You keep saying core, but the core of something would be inside, not outside.
Incorrect. If a knife is aimed at the centre of the basketball and is travelling at 200 km/h similarly to the basketball, the knife rips the basketball a new one (literally). Yes, I am just saying that so you don't misunderstand that the centre of the TBB isn't always exactly aiming at the core depending on perspective and time the TBB travels.
Impulsive actions? . If he acted on impulse, then he did it without thinking, which contradicts the manga and everything you've been saying. So no, he had enough control over his motor functions to attack Karin, so I zero reason to believe that he can't cut his tentacle, and not in reach? You do know that he can get it in reach right? Lol.
It was controlled to an extent. He was rolling around due to the pain, and ended up thinking he can use that to his advantage. Manga never hinted at Bee being capable of cutting it himself in that interval so I have no reason to believe he does. His hands being on Amateratsu simply provides further support to my evidence, he isn't cutting off his tentacles.
Will the train cleanly cut your hand off like a sword will? No. And the bold is false as well. Kurama lost 6 tails, and those weren't clean cuts. So no, it wasn't the Juubi laser.
Ok, he didn't use it here.
Fair enough.
Lol. The Bijuu Dama was the same exact size as every other Bijuu Dama it used. Nothing was different at all, yet when the explosion occurs, its a Mountain Level Bijuu Dama and not a Juubi Level Bijuu Dama. Unless you want to argue that Juubi Bijuu Dama=Mountain Level, then that was nothing but Hachibi's Bijuu Dama. What happened to the Juubi's Bijuu Dama is none of my concern.
That's the way Kishi drew the explosion out to be, it being similar to the other explosions doesn't concern me either. Unless you can get an explanation as to what happened to the Juubi's TBB in his mouth, fact remains that its TBB was the major contributor of that explosion. Argue it all you want, say it's none of your concern when it is, fact remains the Juubi had a TBB in its mouth and it didn't magically disappear. It not being mountain size can be attributed to it not being compressed.
Uh, no, its not. Rasengan doesn't do more damage than Chidori, it takes that energy and spreads it out. Kirin wasn't portrayed as any kind of piercing attack. A piercing attack pierces, it doesn't completely obliterate a Large Hill/Small Mountain and reduce it to rubble. Even if you want to argue a piercing attack, it affected the whole surface area of the Mountain, so its irrelevant either way as I can still compare it to the Bijuu Dama. It hit the Mountain, obliterated it, rubble was left behind. Bijuu Dama vaporizes Mountains. Its clear which one is much stronger.
And no, V3 was obliterated by it.
@bold: Bijuu Dama is so much stronger than Kirin that it doesn't even matter, and he won't be able to stop himself from being the epicenter when its coming right for him and he can't evade it.
You can't still be comparing them.. Biju Dama is supposed to vaporise over a large scale, a Kirin is supposed to go through things with pure force and penetrative power, added with the attribution of Piercing properties to electricity as Kishi has always done. Heat is also a massive factor, so fact remains that what affected Itachi's Susano was pure blunt force, heat, and a massive electric current. Even if you disregard it's penetrative capabilities, its blunt force more than makes up for it when it send his Susano to ground level with blunt force. It's comparable to what Juubito did here [
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You're over exaggerating the strength difference. It's stronger, but Sasuke's Legged Susano is also far stronger than Itachi's v3, him not being in the epicentre of TBB means he survives, assuming Bee get a chance to fire TBB.
More potent chakra for Susanoo=Stronger susanoo. Thus stronger weapons. A V3 boosted by Rikudo's Chakra isn't going to have the same weaponry strength as a V3 Susanoo from EMS Sasuke. Makes no sense.
Okay.
Irrelevant. A Rikudo Boosted Susanoo's and its weapons and attacks are so much stronger than a normal one that its completely irrelevant. Unless you want to argue that Perfect Susanoo w/Enton Blades>Rikudo Perfect Susanoo w/normal blades.
Okay, still doesn't change the fact this is attributable to Gudo Dama and not TBB itself.
Bijuu Dama has been noted as an extremely dense and heavy chakra even when its the size of KN4's. It dragged him to the ground, thus its much heavier than KN4 despite being so minuscule, that's not even a full sized one. Gudo Dama has been noted to be heavy or dense so I have no reason to believe its more dense.
Yes, after he swallowed it. Doesn't mean that it is a durability feat, or at least, I'll give you that it's its closest thing to a durability feat. Doesn't matter if you want to believe it or not, until TBB shows a feat of penetrative durability, it will remain less dense than Gudo Dama volume wise. No reason to start attributing other durability feats to TBB itself.
Take a knife, and try to pierce a basketball, the basketball gets pierced. Throw the Basketball at a high speed and then throw the knife, the ball isn't going to get pierced. So no, Momentum is a factor.
No, if they are travelling at an equal speed and the knife is hitting the basketball at a point where its force is being used against it, the knife pierces through, since it's non-deflectable, and only reversible, which would require a far larger momentum to occur.
Lol? Basically your argument is "It can pierce Bijuu Dama because there is no evidence that says it can't" Not how it works buddy. You support your claims, otherwise they are invalid. Pretty sure an Enton Arrow was blocked by Madara's black rods. It piercing a Bijuu Dama is ridiculous. And even if it does, Bijuu Dama explodes and Sasuke still dies while B still lives.
No, it's "It can't pierce it because no scans show it piercing it." See, I can do the same thing. Burden of proof fallacy remains on your side, not mine. I have supported Enton's piercing properties before and have shown you them, you are the one who requires support for the TBB's durability feats against a penetrative attack. Yes, that's a feat attributable to Madara's black rod's density per unit area, not to the TBB. I don't see where you're going with these constant mentions of "if said jutsu did it, TBB can too." And no, Sasuke isn't in the epicentre=survives.
@bold: Sasuke w/ Naruto's chakra has shown a massive jump with his Legged V3.
Unless he's at the edge of the explosion (Which he won't be) he dies.
Ok.
Lol, no. Biju Dama's energy exponentially deteriorates. It won't be on the same level of Kirin if you go several meters away from the epicentre, and even then, this won't ever happen because Bee dies the second he goes into BM. His hands are lit on amateratsu and he's lost by default because nothing implies he can straighten his fingers calmly and cut his tentacles. More so, he's still vulnerable to Enton arrows while he's burning from the Amateratsu. Enton arrows to the eyes and he's lost because he can't aim his TBB even if he miraculously gets out of a tentacle, which won't happen. Not to mention, Sasuke can aim the Amateratsu at Bee's eyes when he's rapid spawning, which would end the fight then and there.
This reply only tells me you don't have evidence. All I did was ask for the evidence, and I'm seeing none for this or the Susanoo arrow claim so far.
And I've seen none for your TBB density being enough to stop a penetrative attack. See? It goes both ways, apart from the fact Enton has shown to use Ketai Henka that; cleanly cuts Kimimaro's senjutsu enhanced bones, go through a full wal and Zetsu, and only then burn Zetsu and cut through a Juubi clone and a full Juubi clone shield easily. Now this is my evidence, which you already know of. Now it's your turn to give me a single penetrative resistance feat from the TBB that would debunk this, and I will concede Sasuke having the ability to stop TBB.
And when did I say that strength didn't imply chakra?
It takes time for B to exit his tentacle, if he's cutting it open and exiting it in Base, I've already explained that he can go right to Bijuu Mode in many many many previous posts. Go read it. So that isn't a counter argument either. And I've explained what happens if he fires Enton Arrows.
You said there won't be a noticeable build up, even though there clearly will be if he's using a large potion of his chakra to go into BM. It goes against everything the manga has shown to claim that using a tremendous chakra quantity won't have a noticeable build up for a Sharingan user.
Yes, I've read them. You said Bee leaves the tentacle in BM, but nothing suggests he can leave and enter BM in such a short period of time when it's been stated by Hachibi itself to have taken most of his strength. I don't see it being possible, but I may be wrong. More so, he would have to go back into his full BM since his mini BM's TBB is too insignificant to kill Sasuke's legged Susano. And even if he does get into BM, it's irrelevant to Sasuke because the Hachibi cannot actually see Sasuke now that his eyes are burned.
Sasuke can use all the flame he wants on the Hachibi, once he cuts his tentacle its irrelevant as he'll be free from it.
He can't do that though.
That's nice to know, everything he lost before he cuts his tentacle (he won't since his arms are also under Amateratsu) is going to be burned when he goes out of the tentacle. He can't see so TBB is irrelevant.
And he can't do what? If you are implying he can't use Enton Arrows, then you're wrong. Once Bee has cut his tentacle, Sasuke realises this and closes his left eye, his right eye manifests the Enton from the Susano itself, it doesn't require Sasuke to use Amateratsu again, thus he uses his right eye to form Enton arrows and start firing, as the strain from his left eye is a non-factor to the strain in his right eye.
Doesn't stop B from firing his already charged Bijuu Dama.
Yes it does, we have seen how he impulsively reacts to heat. Why you are denying it and saying he can fire TBB while screaming in Agony is beyond me, not to mention he'll be blind.
Lol. If only Sasuke had the chance to land Genjutsu in the time frame of B bursting out the tentacle with his Dama ready and him firing the Dama to kill him.
Implying that is it possible when Sasuke can have his Enton arrow ready, and the fact that the second something begins bursting out of the tentacle/chakra build up occurs, Sasuke can fire off his Enton arrow is more than enough to dispute Bee not being able to do this, let alone the questionability of him being able to do BM again.
In what universe? lmao.
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The Full head isn't even multiple times larger than the Hachibi let alone half of it.
Same relative size.
Its the same size as the Myojinmon, which were also Bijuu sized.
I misconstrued the Amateratsu's size then. You can see it is nearly as large, if not larger than the Myojinmon as you just stated [
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Bijuu's weren't the size of Myojinmon, given how large Katsuyu was in front of it [
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He'll still be in fighting condition, so its irrelevant what damage he receives. The "leaving the tentacle point" has been countered too many times on this thread for me to repeat myself, and there is literally no reason why he won't be able to cut off his tentacle.
No and no.
1. His hands amateratsu'd=Can't cut tentacle.
2. His eyes amateratsu'd=Can't aim or see.
