Keotsu teaches Frozenstein Kenjutsu

[KeotsuEclipse]

yeah it's simple.

I figured it would be. xd

Next is counter/counter-attacking.

Basically, it's how to effectively make your parry/block go in your favor. o_o I'm gonna try and take my time with this one, as it's rather important.

Ready?

 

[Frozenstein]

I figured it would be. xd

Next is counter/counter-attacking.

Basically, it's how to effectively make your parry/block go in your favor. o_o I'm gonna try and take my time with this one, as it's rather important.

Ready?

oh ****... I forgot to check this thread >.<"

Yeah I'm ready.

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

oh ****... I forgot to check this thread >.<"

Yeah I'm ready.

xd It's fine.

Alright, let's begin with countering after a parry: after a parry, your blade will be the one on the inside, putting you at a tactical advantage over your opponent. The reason for this is that since their blade is outside, they have to first get past your own blade to attack you - with your blade on the inside, you just have to land the hit.

Now, the strike you use will almost certainly be dependent upon how and where you parry and the position it leaves your blade - however, a stab/lunge is almost consistently a great choice as it gives forward movement (making it difficult to dodge by stepping back), has great speed (making it even more difficult to actually react to), and can easily be brought into a back-swing to counter the nearly inevitable attempt at attacking you the opponent will make.

Good?

 

[Frozenstein]

xd It's fine.

Alright, let's begin with countering after a parry: after a parry, your blade will be the one on the inside, putting you at a tactical advantage over your opponent. The reason for this is that since their blade is outside, they have to first get past your own blade to attack you - with your blade on the inside, you just have to land the hit.

Now, the strike you use will almost certainly be dependent upon how and where you parry and the position it leaves your blade - however, a stab/lunge is almost consistently a great choice as it gives forward movement (making it difficult to dodge by stepping back), has great speed (making it even more difficult to actually react to), and can easily be brought into a back-swing to counter the nearly inevitable attempt at attacking you the opponent will make.

Good?

yep.

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

yep.

Now, as for counter-attacking from a block -with your blade locked with the opponents, you want to quickly disengage and attack; the key to this is to disengage in your favor.

However, a useful thing to do is consider how you blocked and how it can transition into a blow. An example is this - if I'm locked at cross with my opponent with my blade held horizontally above me, a great counter-attack is to push my opponents blade upward as I unfold my blade; this will cause their blade to go upward and to their left, not only putting their blade on the outside, but also putting the opponent off balance and putting them in a position that their strike wouldn't be able to do near as much damage.

 

[Frozenstein]

Now, as for counter-attacking from a block -with your blade locked with the opponents, you want to quickly disengage and attack; the key to this is to disengage in your favor.

However, a useful thing to do is consider how you blocked and how it can transition into a blow. An example is this - if I'm locked at cross with my opponent with my blade held horizontally above me, a great counter-attack is to push my opponents blade upward as I unfold my blade; this will cause their blade to go upward and to their left, not only putting their blade on the outside, but also putting the opponent off balance and putting them in a position that their strike wouldn't be able to do near as much damage.

understood.

but for example in this situation if I push upwards their blade they can move out from my range. for example stepping backwards or jumping. what if I'm not pushing them upwards just take a step to my side and let their weapon slide on my blade by lowering the tip of the blade to my side? theoretically with this they lose balance and step to the place I was before. also their weapon fall at about my waist level and they can't attack right then. and if I'm right because my blade is above me I can attack easily. cutting down their arms or perform a finishing blow. this would work or too risky?

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

understood.

but for example in this situation if I push upwards their blade they can move out from my range. for example stepping backwards or jumping. what if I'm not pushing them upwards just take a step to my side and let their weapon slide on my blade by lowering the tip of the blade to my side? theoretically with this they lose balance and step to the place I was before. also their weapon fall at about my waist level and they can't attack right then. and if I'm right because my blade is above me I can attack easily. cutting down their arms or perform a finishing blow. this would work or too risky?

Eh...I can't give you a straight answer. There are too many variables for that situation. Just because their sword is coming down, doesn't mean they're off balance - it means their balance is shifted. And they don't necessarily have to step-forward into where you are, either - in fact, they probably stepped forward before the strike- stepping forward into your spot would be a second step. However, if you stepped to the side, it would allow you a relatively good shot at their arms or chest.

So, the answer to your question is neither yes or no.

 

[Frozenstein]

Eh...I can't give you a straight answer. There are too many variables for that situation. Just because their sword is coming down, doesn't mean they're off balance - it means their balance is shifted. And they don't necessarily have to step-forward into where you are, either - in fact, they probably stepped forward before the strike- stepping forward into your spot would be a second step. However, if you stepped to the side, it would allow you a relatively good shot at their arms or chest.

So, the answer to your question is neither yes or no.

hmmm... I thought it would work because they usually put strength into it and if I hold their weapon back with my sword and then let their weapon fall down I could throw them off balance. but then I'll just use what I've learned so far...

what's the next? wease:

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

hmmm... I thought it would work because they usually put strength into it and if I hold their weapon back with my sword and then let their weapon fall down I could throw them off balance. but then I'll just use what I've learned so far...

what's the next? wease:

Sorry I couldn't be more precise. xd

Now, off course, you could also try a true counter-attack - that is, attack while the opponent's attacking. By choosing not to make a defensive move, you create a dilemma for the opponent: do they continue with their own attack at the cost of trading blows with you, or do they stop their own attack and try to counter yours?

It's a useful, but brash tactic. The biggest thing to remember about sword fighting is that while it's nice to have first blood, it doesn't always determine the outcome of the battle. It's a rare thing to do, but maybe taking a hit in order to give one will be what you need to put you on top.

 

[Frozenstein]

Sorry I couldn't be more precise. xd

Now, off course, you could also try a true counter-attack - that is, attack while the opponent's attacking. By choosing not to make a defensive move, you create a dilemma for the opponent: do they continue with their own attack at the cost of trading blows with you, or do they stop their own attack and try to counter yours?

It's a useful, but brash tactic. The biggest thing to remember about sword fighting is that while it's nice to have first blood, it doesn't always determine the outcome of the battle. It's a rare thing to do, but maybe taking a hit in order to give one will be what you need to put you on top.

advanced fighters will probably continue their attacks in this situation, but I think usually it's better to stop the attack and go into a defensive stance. If I can get the upper hand in the battle with a move like this, then it's ok, but if the attacks are aimed at my vital spots... too risky. Maybe if I deflect the attacks from the dangerous spots or move that much to prevent my death AND I can win the match it's also ok.

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

advanced fighters will probably continue their attacks in this situation, but I think usually it's better to stop the attack and go into a defensive stance. If I can get the upper hand in the battle with a move like this, then it's ok, but if the attacks are aimed at my vital spots... too risky. Maybe if I deflect the attacks from the dangerous spots or move that much to prevent my death AND I can win the match it's also ok.

Like I said, it's a brash tactic. It's not something you want to do as a primary tactic, but it's there, and it can definitely be a game changer. Like I said, first blood doesn't always mean you'll win.

Now, next we'll be doing Taijutsu Integration, or adding Taijutsu into your Kenjutsu routine.

There is a bit of theory to this, but most of it's demonstration and explanation. Ready?

 

[Frozenstein]

Like I said, it's a brash tactic. It's not something you want to do as a primary tactic, but it's there, and it can definitely be a game changer. Like I said, first blood doesn't always mean you'll win.

Now, next we'll be doing Taijutsu Integration, or adding Taijutsu into your Kenjutsu routine.

There is a bit of theory to this, but most of it's demonstration and explanation. Ready?

ready.

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

ready.

Alright, I want you to come at me with a two-handed vertical slash.

I'll show a very basic instance of Taijutsu integration.

 

[Frozenstein]

Alright, I want you to come at me with a two-handed vertical slash.

I'll show a very basic instance of Taijutsu integration.

I have a bad feeling about it... xd

*I grab my sword with both hands and run towards you. When I'm in range I lift my sword above me and make a vertical slash aimed at your head.*

or should I describe my move with more details?

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

I have a bad feeling about it... xd

*I grab my sword with both hands and run towards you. When I'm in range I lift my sword above me and make a vertical slash aimed at your head.*

or should I describe my move with more details?

For now, it suits our purposes.

*When you come at me, your blade raised, I quickly swing my blade from right to left in an upward arc, holding the blade with only my left hand, while I sidestep to my right - this allows me to push your blade to my left, while also moving away from your blade; since I deflected your blade instead of stopping it, your strike comes down to my side, missing me.

However, as I'm doing this, I quickly step in an extend my right arm, jabbing at your ribcage, just below your right shoulder, as your blade comes down, shortly after it passes above waist level for you. I hold my blow before actually connecting the strike.*

See, something like that. Taijutsu moves add another dimension to a Kenjutsu attack, adding elements that otherwise may not be drawn upon. There's a myraid of different fighting styles, and a great number of them can be paired well with Kenjutsu - it's all a matter of what works for you.

For example, I'm a grappler, for the most part. I like to do throws, palm thrusts, and jabs, rather than full blown uppercuts, etc.

However, another person may favor a flourishing, airborne style, relying on kicks. And it's very possible to make something like that work. You really need to experiment, and find what you like best.

 

[Frozenstein]

For now, it suits our purposes.

*When you come at me, your blade raised, I quickly swing my blade from right to left in an upward arc, holding the blade with only my left hand, while I sidestep to my right - this allows me to push your blade to my left, while also moving away from your blade; since I deflected your blade instead of stopping it, your strike comes down to my side, missing me.

However, as I'm doing this, I quickly step in an extend my right arm, jabbing at your ribcage, just below your right shoulder, as your blade comes down, shortly after it passes above waist level for you. I hold my blow before actually connecting the strike.*

See, something like that. Taijutsu moves add another dimension to a Kenjutsu attack, adding elements that otherwise may not be drawn upon. There's a myraid of different fighting styles, and a great number of them can be paired well with Kenjutsu - it's all a matter of what works for you.

For example, I'm a grappler, for the most part. I like to do throws, palm thrusts, and jabs, rather than full blown uppercuts, etc.

However, another person may favor a flourishing, airborne style, relying on kicks. And it's very possible to make something like that work. You really need to experiment, and find what you like best.

hmmm... so only experience will tell how to do it. understood.

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

hmmm... so only experience will tell how to do it. understood.

Yes. Would you like to give it a try?

 

[Frozenstein]

Yes. Would you like to give it a try?

you mean a fight? I'd like, but both of my bios are currently busy, so only an unofficial fight.

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

you mean a fight? I'd like, but both of my bios are currently busy, so only an unofficial fight.

xd I meant here. I was saying that I'd make a move and let you try something out.

If you don't want to do that, we'll simply move on to the next thing to cover. Then you could simply wait for the Graduation Spar (the thing we do after what we do next), to try out some Tai moves.

 

[Frozenstein]

xd I meant here. I was saying that I'd make a move and let you try something out.

If you don't want to do that, we'll simply move on to the next thing to cover. Then you could simply wait for the Graduation Spar (the thing we do after what we do next), to try out some Tai moves.

then I want to try it out. I would lose in 1 move in the graduation spar xd