[VS] KCM Naruto vs EMS Sasuke

[genii96]

Oodama FRS was used in KCM, not BM.

oh?,ok,then whats with the mini tbb arguments?:|

 

[pateuvasiliu]

oh?,ok,then whats with the mini tbb arguments?:|

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[slimreaper]

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12 weaker mini tbb arent breaking this, and being clones makes it even weaker

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and considering they can't run full speed while holding that heavy ball, they will be amaterasu fodder, and the argument that sasuke can't defend 360 degrees is bologna because no one would use susanoo if they were unable to turn around and face attackers from behind, that would render susanoo mostly useless

 

[pateuvasiliu]

12 weaker mini tbb arent breaking this, and being clones makes it even weaker

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and considering they can't run full speed while holding that heavy ball, they will be amaterasu fodder, and the argument that sasuke can't defend 360 degrees is bologna because no one would use susanoo if they were unable to turn around and face attackers from behind, that would render susanoo mostly useless

When you can show me a scan of Sasuke using Magatama with his face turned towards something else I'll believe you. Until then, that's nonsense.

Sasuke can't defend from 12 Oodama FRS all coming from different directions.

One is as big as his V4 Susanoo. Two will already kill him.

 

[slimreaper]

When you can show me a scan of Sasuke using Magatama with his face turned towards something else I'll believe you. Until then, that's nonsense.

Sasuke can't defend from 12 Oodama FRS all coming from different directions.

One is as big as his V4 Susanoo. Two will already kill him.

hes only used magatama once so obviously I can't, but in the situation he didn't need to turn. size is not necessarily = to strength. you can't say for certain that two or twelve Chou Oodama break V4 susanoo's defense. you don't know its capabilities.
and at the very least he can ride aoda for mobility thus ending the whole he can't magatama them down debate

 

[pateuvasiliu]

hes only used magatama once so obviously I can't, but in the situation he didn't need to turn. size is not necessarily = to strength. you can't say for certain that two or twelve Chou Oodama break V4 susanoo's defense. you don't know its capabilities.
and at the very least he can ride aoda for mobility thus ending the whole he can't magatama them down debate

Of course they will break it. They're as big as the Susanoo itself, and we're talking about 12 of them.

 

[slimreaper]

Of course they will break it. They're as big as the Susanoo itself, and we're talking about 12 of them.

size=/=strength. and they will be naturally weaker due to being made by clones. susanoo doesn't even have to tank, sasuke just rides around on aoda and shoots them down. and naruto doesn't want a close range match

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and bare hand enton sword slices off the chakra arms that will inevitably come at sasuke

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[pateuvasiliu]

Those clones are Kage level by themselves, able to make more clones themselves.

So no, they won't be weaker.

sasuke just rides around on aoda and shoots them down.

Doubt Aoda can carry the weight of a Final Susanoo.

 

[slimreaper]

Those clones are Kage level by themselves, able to make more clones themselves.

So no, they won't be weaker.



Doubt Aoda can carry the weight of a Final Susanoo.

weaker than the original yes, you can't deny they will be
And im just saying casuke rides around in complete susanoo shooting enton arrows at the frs and dodging the ones he can't because aoda is a shifty bastard.

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and when naruto inevitably give up and comes in for a close battle he is susanoo fodder

 

[BlackFlame44]

And naruto has gamakichi?

 

[Unorthodox]

Naruto takes this with mid diff.

We have to take into account what naruto has on his side:

• Sensing abilities which will allow him to see where sasuke is coming from.
• And cloak that is immune to fire and has tanked everything it has come in contact with.
• Enhance strength and speed
• Rasengans and mini Bijuu dama's
• Summons
• Clones
• 10-20x the chakra reserves of sasuke.

Amaterasu/Enton

Is not a problem for naruto, becuase even if amaterasu come into contact with him or his clones, he would easily be able to push it off with his cloak. His cloak makes all fire techinques useless, including Enton and Amaterasu because of how slow it burns and naruto's ability to remove it from his body quite easily.


Close Combat

This is one of the last things sasuke wants to do, as it was stated earlier in the manga that sasuke's sharingan cant keep up with naruto's chakra arms and naruto at the same time. With naruto's speed being enhance again this would just be a enhance version of when sasuke fought v1 naruto in taijutsu.

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Susanoo

Susanoo will be wreaked by 20 mini-TBB as the destructive power of one is massive.

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And the beauty with KM naruto is that he doesnt have to be in close range to do it. He could use his Chakra arms to make it a long range attack to allow from a assualt in every direction.

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Enton Arrow/Sword

This wont be a problem as naruto can clearly see and sense when sasuke will be using this techinque.
To block it he could simply use his chakra arms (Multiple ones) in a form of a shield, or simply create a large OODAMA rasengan to block it and send it to sasuke.

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Summon

If this is refering to current naruto, but just only using his Kyuubi Mode then summons could actually play a good role in the battle. If naruto summons Gamahiro, Gamaiken, or Gamakichi he could apply a kyuubi cloak to them as naruto has mastered the art of chakra transfer, and if they are hit with amaterasu naruto can himself control there shroud to remove the flames. This also would increase their power and strength making it difficult for sasuke to defend against 20 clones and 1-3 toad giant summons, as even his snake would be at a disadvantage if they have a cloak.



There are other things I could get into but i think its very obvious that naruto in KM takes sasuke w/ mid diff.​

Naruto's Speed

Amaterasu is a visual jutsu so the better your vision the better the jutsu right red eye naruto speed was on even levels with lee no weights yet sasuke been obtained that speed yet wasit able to keep up with naruto untill he used 3 tomoe

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sasuke speed didnt increase he could see better so what im saying is if sasuke has amaterasu with 2 tomoe naruto could dodge it but with 3 tomoe he couldnt reasons why itachi amaterasu was so slow and off

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cause his eye sight was terrible he could barely see yet when he was edo it was almost instant like ms sasuke's

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so sasuke ems amaterasu speed should be instant also Raikage shouldnt be able to dodge it now KM naruto has no reaction of his speed and just because he dodged A doesnt mean his nessacary faster A dad whos is slower than A dodged KM naruto speed blitz for some time also even if naruto does get close sasuke could use this witch is almost instant faster than naruto's foor speed ofc

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that it what is most plausible to happen also the eplosion would be enton explosion as we seen how big the frs was it was no wear near juubi head size but when it exploded it was massive bigger than juubi's head due to the FRS explosion
Note: Naruto has never seen Amaterasu in action so this is definitely a good scenario to go over with

Naruto's clones .

Sasuke's Enton would stop everything in naruto's arsenal that could pose a threat to destroying his susanoo witch is FRS and his summonings but it would be suicidal for him to use them since Amaterasu or Genjutsu one shots them also KM naruto hasit tamed the fox so Genjutsu is effective Also sasuke can tell witch one is the real as madara seen thru naruto clones & hashirama's wood clones

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It didnt take time for him to notice and unlike other ninja who uses kage bushin naruto attacks among his clones tying to add more damage to his opponent. Sasuke can catch ninja without any eye contact

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deidara was easily someone who trained for genjutsu all his life we seen naruto was caught in Itachi's Genjutsu everytime they fought except when itachi didnt even wont to harm him obito explained sasuke genjutsu perfectly

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Naruto doesnt have a chance in that category also the magatama would expand by what they hit so FRS in the sky wont matter sasuke could dodge with Aoda or his hawk or simply Use his enton to take it down Kirin is A mountain buster tech witch Itachi blocked with V1 most likely V4 is sasuke strongest susanoo with ems as i said above if he caots it in amaterasu If they hit the explosion will be enton explosions not The FRS Chakra cloak will be useless since what KM chakra cloak is to thin in once he removes it Amaterasu will hit his real body Kirin can also be used to Aid sasuke here .

 

[slimreaper]

And naruto has gamakichi?

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gamakichi isn't as nimble as aoda and has no counter for this

 

[pateuvasiliu]

weaker than the original yes, you can't deny they will be
And im just saying casuke rides around in complete susanoo shooting enton arrows at the frs and dodging the ones he can't because aoda is a shifty bastard.

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and when naruto inevitably give up and comes in for a close battle he is susanoo fodder

Oh I can very much deny that they are weaker than the original.

Why? Because you are used to the base Naruto shadow clones. Those had a % of -HIS- chakra. But the KCM clones have a % of the Kyuubi's chakra, which is monumentally higher than Naruto's. So no, splitting THAT in twelve doesn't really mean anything.

It was already shown those 12 KCM clones were Kage level, able to make clones themselves and use Sage Mode and FRS.

 

[ILikeBigYolos]

Sasuke mid-high difff

 

[slimreaper]

Oh I can very much deny that they are weaker than the original.

Why? Because you are used to the base Naruto shadow clones. Those had a % of -HIS- chakra. But the KCM clones have a % of the Kyuubi's chakra, which is monumentally higher than Naruto's. So no, splitting THAT in twelve doesn't really mean anything.

It was already shown those 12 KCM clones were Kage level, able to make clones themselves and use Sage Mode and FRS.

they aren't breaking final susanoo and sasuke isn't just going to sand there and take it. sasuke has been shown to fire enton magatama from less than final susanoo

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that means he can do it while riding aoda so his enton onslaught on the naruto clones is now mobile. whit enton coming from every direction the naruto clones would be fodder if they actually stopped and prepared an attack

 

[BlackFlame44]

Naruto wins Sasuke can't keep up

 

[Trollasaur]

oh no bro i highly disagree



this is more like it

but i say mid diff no higher




then you dont see sasuke much :|

sasuke has fought naruto to many times and knows about his spamming of clones.

so teh clones arugement is invaild

Thses are much faster than part one fodder clones :|

 

[Unorthodox]

Oh I can very much deny that they are weaker than the original.

Why? Because you are used to the base Naruto shadow clones. Those had a % of -HIS- chakra. But the KCM clones have a % of the Kyuubi's chakra, which is monumentally higher than Naruto's. So no, splitting THAT in twelve doesn't really mean anything.

It was already shown those 12 KCM clones were Kage level, able to make clones themselves and use Sage Mode and FRS.

Keep saying kage level clones that dont mean shit there naruto sasuke counters everything he his arsenal he is eithere defeated by genjutsu or Amaterasu/Enton

also i provided a good argument you been saying the same chit since page one obviously a troll fanboy

Naruto wins Sasuke can't keep up

other way around

 

[BlackFlame44]

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gamakichi isn't as nimble as aoda and has no counter for this

And what stops naruto from sending a clone to dispatch aoda? Rofl?

 

[BlackFlame44]

I'm gonna love the day when Sasuke says the limit on his inferno style and Kcm naruto stomps him lol