Kamui's weakness and Naruto and Sasuke vs MS Obito and Kakashi ( Individually )

Ahmed1993

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I know i said this in my last thread :
If there is something i learned from this base , it would be to never argue with fanboys , especially Obito and Minato fanboys

But keep telling yourself that , i honestly don't care because i know it don't :cool:

But my inner self couldn't accept it , so here we go:

Note : Please relax and read it until the end

Kamui's weakness ( Obito's version ) :

Obito can't stay intangible for more than 5 minutes.
In order to teleport someone , he needs to materialize.
Can't teleport dangerous object :
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He needs to be near the target in order to teleport it.


MS Obito vs Naruto :

Naruto's speed :
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And that's only KCM Naruto.
In short Naruto can simply blitz him , the only reason he didn't , its because of the plot.
Not to mention he can overwhelm him with clones.

PS: for those who says that =/= FTG , you're wrong and here is why :

FTG > Naruto's raw speed in Long distance ( like from village to village )

Naruto KCM speed = FTG In little distance ( like in a battlefield )


Also Obito can't touch BSM Naruto because the latter has both the sensing of negative emotion and the accurate sensing of the SM but If Obito manage to get a hold on Naruto and is about to teleport him :
Naruto can simply push Obito's hand with a chakra hand ( he can create a chakra hand from any part of his body ).

Also Obito can't tell a clone from the original ( Only Madara has shown to be capable of such feat )

MS Obito vs Sasuke :
Both this guys have good pre cognition skills :

Obito lost to Minato in a speed battle and Sasuke lost to V2 Raikage in speed battle :

So until now its seems Obito has better pre cognition , but Sasuke has this feat :
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If he can keep up with this form of Obito then he should have no problem keeping up with MS Obito.

But If Obito manages to get a hold on Sasuke and is about to teleport him , Sasuke can do this :
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They are not threats for intangible Obito , but when he materialize to touch and teleport Sasuke he will get hurt :
In case 1 : his body will become numb
In case 2 : his materialized part will get burned
And don't give some BS , like Obito don't feel the pain of being burned , because this contradict you :
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He is clearly in pain.

Also he can Amaterasu his eye when Obito is about to teleport him , and as i said in the weakness of Obito's Kamui :
He Can't teleport dangerous object :
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Kamui's weakness ( Kakashi's version )
Without Kyuubi's chakra , he can only teleport something of the size of person.
And after he teleports something like that ( like Naruto's clone ) he needs to recover a bit , as shown here :
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( Gai is assisting him to stand up ).

And don't BS me with he can teleport something bigger than a person with his own chakra , all time he did or attempt to teleport something bigger , he had Kyuubi chakra ( absence of the cloak doesn't mean he don't have Kyuubi chakra like when Kyuubi thrown him at Obito )

In order to teleport something big ( a person for his chakra ,and a Bijuu for the Kyuubi chakra ) he needs to stay put and focus unlike a small object like a Kunai or Rasengan.
Naruto vs Kakashi :

Naruto's speed :
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And that's only KCM Naruto.
In short Naruto can simply blitz him.
Not to mention he can overwhelm him with clones.

PS: for those who says that =/= FTG , you're wrong and here is why :

FTG > Naruto's raw speed in Long distance ( like from village to village )

Naruto KCM speed = FTG In little distance ( like in a battlefield )

Also Naruto can use Cho Odama Rasengan to cover himself from the line of sight of Kakashi ( the Rasengan isn't transparent so Kakashi has to teleport it before teleporting Naruto.

Sasuke vs Kakashi :
Sasuke has shown a better pre cognition , in the Kage arc : he was able to keep up with V1 Ay and before that he was able to keep up with 6 tails Bee.

And in recent chapter he showed this feat :

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Also Sasuke can create a wall of Enton to block himself from Kakashi's line of sight and the latter would have to teleport the Enton before Sasuke.

Also this two can OS each other , one with Kamui and the other with Amaterasu , and don't give me some BS like Amaterasu isn't instant , because it is :

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( After that it moved normally because Sasuke wasn't focusing on the samourai )

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For the Itachi vs Sasuke part :
Here is Itachi's vision after the Tsukuyomi ( after that he did 2 Amaterasu )
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Keep in mind this is a near blind Itachi targeting Sasuke's wing ( he didn't want to kill Sasuke , just remove Orochimaru from him ).

But Kamui is instant as well , so this option will be deadly for both of them , that's why the option 1 ( Enton wall is the better one ).


I will only respond to logical people who have argument and manga facts with them , and if i'm wrong , i'll say it , i'm not perfect , i'm just a human who can make mistakes like all of you..
But this type of post will be reported :

Kamui solos.
Off topic ( like mentioning Naruto vs Sasuke or Minato vs Obito etc... )
Insult.
Character bashing.

Thanks for reading.
 
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Did you really make this thread because of me ?

And no , you're wrong .
 

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No, not really.
Kakashi used Kamui on Gedo's head, which is much larger than a person. The warp failed, but only because Obito interfered - the hole itself was already created, meaning Kakashi used up his chakra for it.

So no, Kakashi can Kamui objects the size of Gedo's head without even feeling tired afterwards, unless he's already low on chakra (like when he teleported Naruto's bunshin).
 

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No, not really.
Kakashi used Kamui on Gedo's head, which is much larger than a person. The warp failed, but only because Obito interfered - the hole itself was already created, meaning Kakashi used up his chakra for it.

So no, Kakashi can Kamui objects the size of Gedo's head without even feeling tired afterwards, unless he's already low on chakra (like when he teleported Naruto's bunshin).

Kyuubi gave him chakra before that.
 

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Neither defeat Obito. Both defeat Kakashi. It's as simple as that.
 

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Nice job and I agree :)

Both versions of Kamui are highly overrated cause people only look on their strengths and not on their weaknesses or their limits.
 

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They can only beat Kakashi.
 

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I'm talking about MS Obito not Rinnegan and 6 paths Obito.

As much as I hate to admit it, Sasuke will get outlasted. Obito is simply too fast for his attacks due to Kamui. Naruto can defeat him because he has the speed and sensing capabilities to do it.

Neither defeat Obito, Naruto most likely defeats Kakashi.
Fixed.

You think that Kakashi beats Sasuke. As expected of a fanboy. Don't even bother to reply to me and bring some fanboy scenario because I'm not in the mood for your shit right now.
 

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Really ? give me the scan then. ( maybe i forgot it ).

Sure.
Here Kurama clearly states that Naruto on his own cannot give chakra to others.
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Meaning this was the first time Naruto (Kurama) gave chakra to anyone in this battle.

Then, you also see Kakashi evidently noticing the chakra gift here:
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As opposed to the time Kakashi and Guy were inside of Kurama's cloak.

You think that Kakashi beats Sasuke. As expected of a fanboy. Don't even bother to reply to me and bring some fanboy scenario because I'm not in the mood for your shit right now.

It's me who's waiting for some funny scenario on Sasuke avoiding Kamui. xd
(Btw, you really made me shit my pants with that last sentence. Sooo scaaary, now I know you're the one who speaks the truth. :eek:)
 
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Kakashi can clearly teleport more than just a person with his own chakra. A battle-worn Kakashi was confident that he could Kamui's Gedo Mazo's head, he would have succeeded if Obito hadn't negated the Kamui.
 

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Kakashi can clearly teleport more than just a person with his own chakra. A battle-worn Kakashi was confident that he could Kamui's Gedo Mazo's head, he would have succeeded if Obito hadn't negated the Kamui.

This. That's what I'm talking about.
 

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Not only because of you , but because of all Obito fanboys.

Fine .

MS Obito vs Naruto :

Naruto's speed :
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And that's only KCM Naruto.
In short Naruto can simply blitz him , the only reason he didn't , its because of the plot.
Not to mention he can overwhelm him with clones.

PS: for those who says that =/= FTG , you're wrong and here is why :

FTG > Naruto's raw speed in Long distance ( like from village to village )

Naruto KCM speed = FTG In little distance ( like in a battlefield )


Also Obito can't touch BSM Naruto because the latter has both the sensing of negative emotion and the accurate sensing of the SM but If Obito manage to get a hold on Naruto and is about to teleport him :
Naruto can simply push Obito's hand with a chakra hand ( he can create a chakra hand from any part of his body ).

Also Obito can't tell a clone from the original ( Only Madara has shown to be capable of such feat )
This is completely wrong .
SM just boosts BM , nothing serious . What would SM give BM ? Speed ? No . Reactions ? Yes . What would reactions do ? Obito's Kamui speed is still > BSM Naruto's speed . [ ] . Bijuu Dama is useless . Obito can use Rinnegan Techs . It's a still high diff win .
This is a quote from a previous thread . BSM will not incerase the speed , only the reactions . But what will they do since Kamui is instant ? [ ] . I don't see Naruto escaping this . And notice how he says - " The moment I touch him " . This explains Kamui is instant .


MS Obito vs Naruto : MS Obito vs Sasuke :
Both this guys have good pre cognition skills :

Obito lost to Minato in a speed battle and Sasuke lost to V2 Raikage in speed battle :

So until now its seems Obito has better pre cognition , but Sasuke has this feat :
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If he can keep up with this form of Obito then he should have no problem keeping up with MS Obito.

But If Obito manages to get a hold on Sasuke and is about to teleport him , Sasuke can do it :
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They are not threats for intangible Obito , but when he materialize to touch and teleport Sasuke he will get hurt :
In case 1 : his body will become numb
In case 2 : his materialized part will get burned
And don't give some BS , like Obito don't feel the pain of being burned , because this contradict you :
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He is clearly in pain.

Also he can Amaterasu his eye when Obito is about to teleport him , and as i said in the weakness of Obito's Kamui :
He Can't teleport dangerous object :
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Obito doesn't need to teleport himself to escape . He can just turn intangible and thus he will dodge Sasuke's attack . True he felt pain , he but then was safe and sound . Kamui > Amaterasu , this is a manga fact . Kamui > Susano'o arrows . Manga fact too . Genjutsu doesn't work . Obito can kill Sasuke mid diff .

I know that Kamui is overrated , but is OP and can beat many enemies . Only FTG users can escape it .

 

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As much as I hate to admit it, Sasuke will get outlasted. Obito is simply too fast for his attacks due to Kamui. Naruto can defeat him because he has the speed and sensing capabilities to do it.



You think that Kakashi beats Sasuke. As expected of a fanboy. Don't even bother to reply to me and bring some fanboy scenario because I'm not in the mood for your shit right now.

Sasuke has better pre cognition skills , he may be not as fast as Obito but he can keep up with him ( reaction time ).

Sure.
Here Kurama clearly states that Naruto on his own cannot give chakra to others.
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Meaning this was the first time Naruto (Kurama) gave chakra to anyone in this battle.

Then, you also see Kakashi evidently noticing the chakra gift here:
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As opposed to the time Kakashi and Guy were inside of Kurama's cloak.



It's me who's waiting for some funny scenario on Sasuke avoiding Kamui. xd
(Btw, you really made me shit my pants with that last sentence. Sooo scaaary, now I know you're the one who speaks the truth. :eek:)

My bad then , and i re watched that chapter , and Kakashi was about to rip the NECK NOT THE HEAD of the GM.

Kakashi can clearly teleport more than just a person with his own chakra. A battle-worn Kakashi was confident that he could Kamui's Gedo Mazo's head, he would have succeeded if Obito hadn't negated the Kamui.

He was about to teleport GM's neck not head.
 

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Sasuke has better pre cognition skills , he may be not as fast as Obito but he can keep up with him ( reaction time ).

Yes, that is correct. However, Sasuke won't be capable of actually killing Obito so Obito will end up outlasting him.
 

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Fine .


This is completely wrong .

This is a quote from a previous thread . BSM will not incerase the speed , only the reactions . But what will they do since Kamui is instant ? [ ] . I don't see Naruto escaping this . And notice how he says - " The moment I touch him " . This explains Kamui is instant .




Obito doesn't need to teleport himself to escape . He can just turn intangible and thus he will dodge Sasuke's attack . True he felt pain , he but then was safe and sound . Kamui > Amaterasu , this is a manga fact . Kamui > Susano'o arrows . Manga fact too . Genjutsu doesn't work . Obito can kill Sasuke mid diff .

I know that Kamui is overrated , but is OP and can beat many enemies . Only FTG users can escape it .


Minato escaped it , and Naruto KCM = Minato speed , Naruto BM is faster and Naruto BSM has better reaction time.

Who told you he used Kamui on that Amaterasu ? he maybe had used Izanagi.

But he needs to touch Sasuke to teleport him , and Chidori Nagashi or Enton will be waiting for him then.
 

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Yes, that is correct. However, Sasuke won't be capable of actually killing Obito so Obito will end up outlasting him.

Did you read the part about Chidori Nagashi and Enton ?
When he materialize to teleport Sasuke , he will get burned or become numb due to the chidori and then Sasuke can kill him.
 
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