Kamui: Perfect Susanoo.

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Its a part of obito's arsenal.after all he gave his sharjngan to kakashi

It is but you cant just give it to Obito in a VS thread since it was Kakashi who used it...by your logic Naruto can use the same feats as the previous Jins since he has the Bijuu
 

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It is not a part of Kakashi's arsenal, and neither is double Kamui, or any of his other DMS feats. Obito's soul literally possessed the guy ... LITERALLY. Without his soul, Kakashi is not doing shit. PS is only a part of double MS Obito with sage chakra. Not at base level.

Are you saying PS is not achievable by MS w/o sage's chakra? Cuz Indra begs to differ :rolleyes:
 

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I think at that time Kakashi is controling Obito MS, all feats is done by Kakashi understanding of Obito MS.

But Obito also practically can utilize what has Kakashi done.
 

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Comparing a god level Shinobi to a regular MS user are we?

Ah yes. I remember when Itachi, Shisui and Izuna's chakra was powerful enough to span centuries and plant itself within others to influence their future and soul... Oh wait.
 

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It is not a part of Kakashi's arsenal, and neither is double Kamui, or any of his other DMS feats. Obito's soul literally possessed the guy ... LITERALLY. Without his soul, Kakashi is not doing shit. PS is only a part of double MS Obito with sage chakra. Not at base level.
Alright then, I can understand that

But isn't it sage level chakra?

At base he has sage chakra by combining both chakra's of Mads and Hashi.

Though at his level he clearly couldn't use Perfect Susanoo
 

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Comparing a god level Shinobi to a regular MS user are we?

If anything Obito is god level and Indra is regular MS user.
What's so godly about indra? PS?
But this is about fact PS is achievable with MS alone :hint:
 

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Does not show in manga = cannot use it.

You cannot just make assumptions just because. I mean logically SHOULD he be able to use it? Of course. But he did not show the ability. He'd also have to train with it long enough before he could use it practically in combat anyway.
 

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What so godly about Indra PS, I dont know, but not because his PS dont godly or very godly, but because he never shown to us what his PS is capable off.
 

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Does not show in manga = cannot use it.

You cannot just make assumptions just because. I mean logically SHOULD he be able to use it? Of course. But he did not show the ability. He'd also have to train with it long enough before he could use it practically in combat anyway.

This cant be taken this literally.
Did shisui showcase KA? But crow did, so shisui cant use it now?
Susanoo takes set of MS and Obito has it, it was matter of time to awaken it.
 

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Are you saying PS is not achievable by MS w/o sage's chakra? Cuz Indra begs to differ :rolleyes:

I am not assuming anything, when Kakashi himself states that Obito's sage chakra was allowing him to use the techniques, making them more powerful. PS is one part of that puzzle.

Alright then, I can understand that

But isn't it sage level chakra?

At base he has sage chakra by combining both chakra's of Mads and Hashi.

Though at his level he clearly couldn't use Perfect Susanoo

He had only a tiny bit of Sage's Chakra left, given that he attained that Jubi Jin form that is closer to the Sage:

At base, it's hard to say. One requires double MS to use it to begin with. He would have to awaken it first. PS is a long way off from that point.
 

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I am not assuming anything, when Kakashi himself states that Obito's sage chakra was allowing him to use the techniques, making them more powerful. PS is one part of that puzzle.

Kakashi only said that techniques gotten more powerful not that sage's chakra allowed them U_U
 

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What about asspull argument peoples like to talk before? Still want to connect a dots here?
 

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Yes, they share the feats, DMS kakashi is merely what a DMS obito would be capable of, had he been at full health & had a body atm.

It's obito's chakra, obito's eyes, & obito's rikudou senjutsu. Nothing suggests he can't use susanoo unless you believe that kakashi can control obito's chakra better than he can himself. However that would make no sense since it's a fact that obito has better chakra control than kakashi [controlled 5-6 bijuu simultaneously].

Obito's chakra possessed kakashi, the only things that obito needed were a chakra refill [which he got when he died] & a body. His chakra could've possessed any body & the result would've been the same. Obito used kamui to cheat death & he gave his powers to kakashi as a result, they share the feats.

The manga & DB also helps support the claim that he has susanoo as well.

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The power of the Mangekyล Sharingan is able to activate incredible Ninjutsu. Enormous Chakra clad technique materialize, towering over the mountains (exceeding the height of the mountains), taking authority over battlefield to its hands (changing the flow of battle). Appearance of the complete technique differs in accordance to the user. Moreover for users that are good at Ninjutsu Susanoo themselves,becomes possible to enter/trigger the invocation of the complete body (kanseitai). Furthermore Susanoo in next form can wear special armor which can shape/turn on wings that allow it to fly. - 4th DB

Both imply that anyone with the power of the mangekyou sharingan activated in both eyes has access to the third power susanoo. Since kakashi can use it then that means the eyes [obito's eyes] have that same ability, so obito has that same ability.

As for kakashi using obito's DMS feats [kamui sync], he would only be able to do that if he had the that obito did, but yes he could.
 

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Does not show in manga = cannot use it.

You cannot just make assumptions just because. I mean logically SHOULD he be able to use it? Of course. But he did not show the ability. He'd also have to train with it long enough before he could use it practically in combat anyway.

Okay...

Now what about Kakashi using the dimensional syncing ability?
 

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Kakashi only said that techniques gotten more powerful not that sage's chakra allowed them U_U

It was obvious that sage chakra allowed PS to manifest. Susano goes through steps from Ribcage - Legged Susano before PS manifests. With Sage chakra that whole process was skipped and PS manifested instantly. U_U
 
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