Kamui: Perfect Susanoo.

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Okay...

Now what about Kakashi using the dimensional syncing ability?

How hard it to used that sync ability, Obito just fresh get back alive from dying and easily do a sync with Kaguya dimension without training, why you implied that Kakashi cant done the same, but the problem here is chakra, thats all.
 

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It was obvious that sage chakra allowed PS to manifest. Susano goes through steps from Ribcage - Legged Susano before PS manifests. With Sage chakra that whole process was skipped and PS manifested instantly. U_U
Thats completely baseless.

PS is matter of stamina and chakra control. Obito has plenty of both.

The stages users undergo to have PS only happens when they're fresh with MS while its not the case of Obito nor kakashi who had MS for 20 years
 

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Yes, they share the feats, DMS kakashi is merely what a DMS obito would be capable of, had he been at full health & had a body atm.

It's obito's chakra, obito's eyes, & obito's rikudou senjutsu. Nothing suggests he can't use susanoo unless you believe that kakashi can control obito's chakra better than he can himself. However that would make no sense since it's a fact that obito has better chakra control than kakashi [controlled 5-6 bijuu simultaneously].

Obito's chakra possessed kakashi, the only things that obito needed were a chakra refill [which he got when he died] & a body. His chakra could've possessed any body & the result would've been the same. Obito used kamui to cheat death & he gave his powers to kakashi as a result, they share the feats.

The manga & DB also helps support the claim that he has susanoo as well.

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Both imply that anyone with the power of the mangekyou sharingan activated in both eyes has access to the third power susanoo. Since kakashi can use it then that means the eyes [obito's eyes] have that same ability, so obito has that same ability.

As for kakashi using obito's DMS feats [kamui sync], he would only be able to do that if he had the that obito did, but yes he could.

*whistle*

Homeboy brought a book with him Lol

But in all seriousness I see why this should be taken into consideration.

The only issue here is that where the lines is drawn between the uchiha holder and the borrower.

Same can be said about the rinnegan and byukagan
 

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*whistle*

Homeboy brought a book with him Lol

But in all seriousness I see why this should be taken into consideration.

The only issue here is that where the lines is drawn between the uchiha holder and the borrower.

Same can be said about the rinnegan and byukagan

Lol Well I had to bring some facts with me.

I think in this case it would be different seeing as obito's chakra literally turned kakashi's normal eyes into the mangekyou. The eyes still came from obito's chakra but they just manifested in kakashi's eyes, meaning those eyes should then hold his jutsu.
 

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Lol Well I had to bring some facts with me.

I think in this case it would be different seeing as obito's chakra literally turned kakashi's normal eyes into the mangekyou. The eyes still came from obito's chakra but they just manifested in kakashi's eyes, meaning those eyes should then hold his jutsu.
Yes because at that time Kakashi is in control of Obito sharigan power, and we never see Kakashi interact with Obito to help or direct him to do this and that, like Naruto with bijus, that mean all feats Kakashi shows is from his knowledge about Obito MS and other sharigan abilities.
 

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Dimensional sync?

Obito can sync his kamui to other st dimensional/other worlds users like Kaguya.

By syncing with Kaguya as she teleported, he gain access to all here dimensions, scanning in search of Sasuke.

It combines the power of both eyes
 

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Kakashi only said that techniques gotten more powerful not that sage's chakra allowed them U_U

I am not sure what you are trying to say here. We know one main thing about Susano'o:

- It is rare amongst Uchihas, even those with double MS. Obito never possessed extraordinary eyes. Nor is it even implied in the manga. It's his eye that actually saved him. This might sound absurd, but it's quite true. He used Intangibility the first time to save himself from completely getting crushed. It was at 2T. A defense mechanism triggered by the Sharingan, which is capable of using a strong cancellation of reality in form of Izanagi.

Then we have these:

- - Obito sucking out Madara's chakra to create his own Sun Rod out of the Orb. We seem him sucking out the chakra more clearly here: .

- - Madara comments on him taking that power.

Now is that REALLY a coincidence that Obito managed to get a PS when he took out the Sage's Chakra? No. You can make a case for Obito's Double MS, but Obito himself disagrees that every man with MS awakens it. Sorry, but I don't agree.
 
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Thats completely baseless.

PS is matter of stamina and chakra control. Obito has plenty of both.

The stages users undergo to have PS only happens when they're fresh with MS while its not the case of Obito nor kakashi who had MS for 20 years

Doesn't the databook 4 say if a user has PS? I remember this was the case for Madz and Sausage.
 

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Lol Well I had to bring some facts with me.

I think in this case it would be different seeing as obito's chakra literally turned kakashi's normal eyes into the mangekyou. The eyes still came from obito's chakra but they just manifested in kakashi's eyes, meaning those eyes should then hold his jutsu.

Well ya, normally you think it will be crystal clear....

That is until situations like nagato's use of the rinnegan in comparison to Madara gets brought up again.

So that's why I'm curious to know where people stand and a solid proof of why or why not.
 

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Yes because at that time Kakashi is in control of Obito sharigan power, and we never see Kakashi interact with Obito to help or direct him to do this and that, like Naruto with bijus, that mean all feats Kakashi shows is from his knowledge about Obito MS and other sharigan abilities.

Which is why he also gets the DMS feats.
 

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How hard it to used that sync ability, Obito just fresh get back alive from dying and easily do a sync with Kaguya dimension without training, why you implied that Kakashi cant done the same, but the problem here is chakra, thats all.

Good eye, didn't take that into account
 

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Which is why he also gets the DMS feats.

And with DMS feat it is no different when they hold one MS in each of their eye socket, it just when they both got both MS, the eyes power become more powerful like Kamui wrapping speed is increased, they both can Kamui snipe, Kamui wrap, intengible and Susanoo, although not straight to PS level
 

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I am not sure what you are trying to say here. We know one main thing about Susano'o:

- It is rare amongst Uchihas, even those with double MS. Obito never possessed extraordinary eyes. Nor is it even implied in the manga. It's his eye that actually saved him. This might sound absurd, but it's quite true. He used Intangibility the first time to save himself from completely getting crushed. It was at 2T. A defense mechanism triggered by the Sharingan, which is capable of using a strong cancellation of reality in form of Izanagi.
Obito never met all MS users to speak for all of them and as half of MS users got Susanoo it just doesnt make it rare any more, MS users is what truly rare. Therefore credibility of this statement is very doubtful.

How does Obito not have special eyes? He has best MS in manga U_U
Then we have these:

- - Obito sucking out Madara's chakra to create his own Sun Rod out of the Orb. We seem him sucking out the chakra more clearly here: .

- - Madara comments on him taking that power.

Now is that REALLY a coincidence that Obito managed to get a PS when he took out the Sage's Chakra? No. You can make a case for Obito's Double MS, but Obito himself disagrees that every man with MS cannot awaken it. Sorry, but I don't agree.
Yes it coincidence PS is not dependable on sage's chakra, it at best could only speed the process up but strong chakras were never noted for such effect :hint:

Sasuke disagrees with Obito by saying you get susanoo once you have double MS power.
Madara says the powers awakens with full set. Probably about susanoo as didnt awaken anything else.
Itachi said he got susanoo the day he awakened amaterasu and tsukuyomi.

^^They basically set it in stone. Double MS is what needed for susanoo.

Then we have shisui who got susanoo in game, izuna to be around maddys level should posses one too, logically.
Doesn't the databook 4 say if a user has PS? I remember this was the case for Madz and Sausage.
Last DB is shit.
Sasuke's susanoo was progressing as was his MS chakra. When he got full susanoo Obito said his hatred has matured.
This is the main evidence that susanoo grows as MS matures.
 

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It's Obito's eyes sohe has the abilitity to use all the techniques...not the same for Kakashi [since he's a borrower]
 

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Well ya, normally you think it will be crystal clear....

That is until situations like nagato's use of the rinnegan in comparison to Madara gets brought up again.

So that's why I'm curious to know where people stand and a solid proof of why or why not.

There's most likely a difference between implanting the physical eye & having the eye manifest itself through chakra alone. Kakashi is also known as the copy ninja so it makes sense for him to have copied the jutsu rather than for it to be his.
 

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There's most likely a difference between implanting the physical eye & having the eye manifest itself through chakra alone. Kakashi is also known as the copy ninja so it makes sense for him to have copied the jutsu rather than for it to be his.

And the true power of rinnegan is just limbo as what we seen in manga, that mean Nagato is not short to much in abilities right, and also rinnegan maybe different in implanting cause or result compares to sharingan.

And also there is no different abilities much when Obito got his both MS back
 

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It's Obito's eyes sohe has the abilitity to use all the techniques...not the same for Kakashi [since he's a borrower]

Alright, well this does make sense.
At what point do we draw the line on what he can and can't do?
 

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There's most likely a difference between implanting the physical eye & having the eye manifest itself through chakra alone. Kakashi is also known as the copy ninja so it makes sense for him to have copied the jutsu rather than for it to be his.

Ya but at that time he had the physical eyes too.

Copying a kekkai genkai technique when having that borrowed kekkai genkai does make sense.

But it's only down to the point of that specific one they have.
 

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It's obito's susano'o, obito's MS. though the susano'o did have kakashi's scar but other than that it's clearly obito's susano'o but too bad he never used it on his own but i'm glad we got to atleast see it =)
 
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