[VS] Kakuzu vs 3T Itachi

[Brother Numpsay]

Kakuzu would still be able to use his threads and masks in a paralysis Genjutsu. Only Genjutsu affecting Kakuzu in this fight is one that alters reality similar to the one Sasuke used against Deidara and Danzo. For example, Itachi would:

1. Put Kakuzu into 3T Gejutsu (Kakuzu doesn't realise this).
2. Make Kakuzu think Itachi is much slower than he actually is with Shunshin;
3. Shunshin towards Kakuzu and be 10 meters in front of where Kakuzu believes he actually is (Genjutsu altering Itachi's perceived distance from Kakuzu).
4. Destroy Kakuza's heart before he thinks it's time to activate Domu.

His gonna end up destroying the featless heart just like kakashi

 

[Forbidden Technique]

-Itachi was worth a hella amount of money
-In the same organization

Doubt Kakuzu would be completely caught on his ass by 3T Genjutsu.

The same can be said about Orochimaru, and more. Yet, Itachi made a mockery out of him with just 3T genjutsu. Orochimaru even admitted inferiority because of this right in front of Kabuto, who later on went out of his way to modify his body just so he can counter visual genjutsu. It's simply that OP, whether you like it or not. Kakuzu doesn't have any dojutsu or sensory ability that would allow him to even realize he's in genjutsu. It's not a matter of doubting, he will get caught, as far superior characters feared it and fell to it.

 

[Pretentious]

Undervalue in Itachi's favor is painstakingly blatant, but only through ignorance of his potential & denial triggered by incoherent bias for the opposition.

III Tomoe Itachi defeats Kakuzu medium - high difficulty, as both individuals Icelerate & Kidgamer65 previously voiced.

This is all frigidum.

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[LoZelda101]

lmao defeating two akatsuki with gen alone is mangafact but against kakuzu is too hard to believe. these people smh

 

[KidGamer65]

lmao defeating two akatsuki with gen alone is mangafact but against kakuzu is too hard to believe. these people smh

Amen.

 

[Pretentious]

lmao defeating two akatsuki with gen alone is mangafact but against kakuzu is too hard to believe. these people smh

Arrogance dethrones.

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[Brother Numpsay]

lmao defeating two akatsuki with gen alone is mangafact but against kakuzu is too hard to believe. these people smh

I read everyone's comment and no one has ever said Kakuzu couldn't be defeated by genjutsu. So where are you getting this from?

The difference between these characters is that one can do multiple redo'smid battle, while the others cant.
One can potentially use his arsenal as a counter-measure mid battle, while the others had to train and modify their bodies days-years later.

So don't use ABC that doesn't fit.

 

[LoZelda101]

I read everyone's comment and no one has ever said Kakuzu couldn't be defeated by genjutsu. So where are you getting this from?

The difference between these characters is that one can do multiple redo'smid battle, while the others cant.
One can potentially use his arsenal as a counter-measure mid battle, while the others had to train and modify their bodies days-years later.

So don't use ABC that doesn't fit.

what point is 4 good hearts if the user is trapped within an ability that not only effect 5 senses but can be manipulated.
- " redos" lol I highly doubt itachi would even give him a 2nd chance, let alone 4 lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

what point is 4 good hearts if the user is trapped within an ability that not only effect 5 senses but can be manipulated.

Because just like how everyone else mention, Itachi kills him after? Thus 1 of the 4 hearts revive him?

- " redos" lol I highly doubt itachi would even give him a 2nd chance, let alone 4 lol

No intel Itachi cant do nothing, so 2nd chance is not up for debate. Everything else mention is irrelevant to my point.

 

[LoZelda101]

Because just like how everyone else mention, Itachi kills him after? Thus 1 of the 4 hearts revive him?

lol I'm certain there's atleast 2 physical ways to kill kakuzu without worrying about him reviving;
- one of which itachi is easily capable of doing with clones.

No intel Itachi cant do nothing, so 2nd chance is not up for debate. Everything else mention is irrelevant to my point.

Itachi spied on akatsuki for years from within. so assuming he didn't obtain intel,
-then he could just force intel out of kakuzu with genjutsu like sasuke did with WZ
- @bold. depends on itachi's mindset how he decides to kill kakuzu. not everyone stabs hearts for kills

 

[Pretentious]

Because just like how everyone else mention, Itachi kills him after? Thus 1 of the 4 hearts revive him?



No intel Itachi cant do nothing, so 2nd chance is not up for debate. Everything else mention is irrelevant to my point.

Cogitare.

Itachi's Genjutsu mastery allows him capability to recreate simulated reality through illusion. In every instance, Genjutsu in the Naruto franchise (bar Itachi's own) has ceased through;

a. recognition
b. release method(s)

Recognition of manipulation must first be verified -- Only then, can action "b" ensue. If the opposition is unbeknownst of manipulation, initiation to break manipulation is an insubstantial claim.

Furthermore;

Recollection of prior aspects sets in motion possibility of an "pseudo-Izanami" -- Looping the same/similar events continuously through repetitive reality configuration; i.e. Itachi vs Sasuke.

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Itachi medium - high difficulty.

Accepta clades.
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[Brother Numpsay]

lol I'm certain there's atleast 2 physical ways to kill kakuzu without worrying about him reviving;
- one of which itachi is easily capable of doing with clones.

Manga states you have to destroy 5 hearts to put him down or logically decompose his whole body. None of which Itachi can bypass.

Itachi spied on akatsuki for years from within. so assuming he didn't obtain intel,
-then he could just force intel out of kakuzu with genjutsu like sasuke did with WZ
- @bold. depends on itachi's mindset how he decides to kill kakuzu. not everyone stabs hearts for kills

Not relevant to the thread as OP said no intel. Kakuzu is not WZ.
@Bold Addressed.

a. recognition
b. release method(s)
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Recognition of manipulation must first be verified -- Only then, can action "b" ensue. If the opposition is unbeknownst of manipulation, initiation to break manipulation is an insubstantial claim.

Then that works great for Kakuzu, after his first death.

If Mask can truly be independent, then they can act as the recognition needed for action "b". As they are unaffected by genjutsu, due to their properties.

Furthermore;

Recollection of prior aspects sets in motion possibility of an "pseudo-Izanami" -- Looping the same/similar events continuously through repetitive reality configuration; i.e. Itachi vs Sasuke.

If he can break out of genjutsu then thats irrelevant.​

 

[Pretentious]

Then that works great for Kakuzu, after his first death.

If Mask can truly be independent, then they can act as the recognition needed for action "b". As they are unaffected by genjutsu, due to their properties.

If he can break out of genjutsu then thats irrelevant.

You misunderstand -- Also you've verified Itachi's victory by your lonesome; "after his first death."

Reality configured Genjutsu cannot be recognized by anything other than; Doujutsu & Sensing -- Aspects offering clarity. Against oppositions lacking said traits will always be ignorant of Itachi's illusive action.

Discerning reality from illusory reality is impossible for those lacking prior elements (i.e. Doujutsu &/or Sensing) -- The sole reason why Kakuzu's defeat would take minimal effort.

This actually becomes a low difficulty match on such premise.

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[Brother Numpsay]

You misunderstand -- Also you've verified Itachi's victory by your lonesome; "after his first death."​

Nope because Itachi has no idea he has to kill him 5 times

Reality configured Genjutsu cannot be recognized by anything other than; Doujutsu & Sensing -- Aspects offering clarity. Against oppositions lacking said traits will always be ignorant of Itachi's illusive action.

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Discerning reality from illusory reality is impossible for those lacking prior elements (i.e. Doujutsu &/or Sensing) -- The sole reason why Kakuzu's defeat would take minimal effort.

This actually becomes a low difficulty match on such premise.

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Addressed above.

 

[LoZelda101]

Manga states you have to destroy 5 hearts to put him down or logically decompose his whole body. None of which Itachi can bypass.

gen>immobilized>5 clones>5 hearts.

why can't he bypass? his body requires to be hardened by a earth release technique. so either

1. use genjutsu before doton
2. undo the doton release with gen (assuming it can)
3. like against deidara, use genjutsu to make kakuzu use domu against himself. (increases sharpness not just def)

Not relevant to the thread as OP said no intel. Kakuzu is not WZ.
@Bold Addressed.

and WZ isn't DSM kabuto. lol

- @bold. okay. fine but it's just stalling the inevitable, why? because like naruto, itachi can use his own clones to obtain ways to inevitably figure out a way to counter kakuzu. the only difference is that itachi and his clones are faster, stronger and smarter with much superior feint attacks just to lead to another genjutsu hit taking down 1 heart at a time.

 

[RedRobin]

Once again;

Kakuzu was feinted by somebody less quick and less intelligent than Itachi. Genjutsu WILL happen, and when it does, I see no reason why Clone Super Explosion won't solo him.

How about the fact that he survived an incomplete FRS and the clone explosion doesnt compare.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

gen>immobilized>5 clones>5 hearts.

???

why can't he bypass? his body requires to be hardened by a earth release technique. so either

1. use genjutsu before doton
2. undo the doton release with gen (assuming it can)
3. like against deidara, use genjutsu to make kakuzu use domu against himself. (increases sharpness not just def)

Bypass as in Itachi has no other choice in his arsenal, but to kill him off by destroying his heart.

and WZ isn't DSM kabuto. lol

No he isnt obviously. And the fact that he needed his MS to brain wash him.

- @bold. okay. fine but it's just stalling the inevitable, why? because like naruto, itachi can use his own clones to obtain ways to inevitably figure out a way to counter kakuzu. the only difference is that itachi and his clones are faster, stronger and smarter with much superior feint attacks just to lead to another genjutsu hit taking down 1 heart at a time.

You are debating more then you are defending the statements you first made.

 

[LoZelda101]

???

can you or someone else. @KG perhaps. explain to me why itachi cannot just enforce kakuzu to stand perfectly still with genjutsu, if itachi wants to destroy the remaining hearts at once, he could just summon the required amount of clones to do it with him. I don't see why couldn't unless kakuzu has some hidden durability I forgot about outside of doton release.

Bypass as in Itachi has no other choice in his arsenal, but to kill him off by destroying his heart.

like above

No he isnt obviously. And the fact that he needed his MS to brain wash him.

Not only will it work but it being MS is irrelevant due to the fact it was a simple generic:genjutsu
- so it will work with 3t sharingan as well

You are debating more then you are defending the statements you first made.

because you keep going around circles. first you say you think kakuzu can be defeated by gen, now you say he can't even hurt the guy. so let's just drop this discussion.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

can you or someone else. @KG perhaps. explain to me why itachi cannot just enforce kakuzu to stand perfectly still with genjutsu,

He could, whos arguing against it?

if itachi wants to destroy the remaining hearts at once, he could just summon the required amount of clones to do it with him. I don't see why couldn't unless kakuzu has some hidden durability I forgot about outside of doton release.

Thats assuming, again, that Itachi has intel that he needs to die multiple times.

Not only will it work but it being MS is irrelevant due to the fact it was a simple generic:genjutsu
- so it will work with 3t sharingan as well

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. It required him to keep him in Tsu.

because you keep going around circles. first you say you think kakuzu can be defeated by gen, not you say he can't even hurt the guy. so let's just drop this discussion.

Your mixing your poor understanding to circular reasoning.

You said you cant believe people think its hard for Kakuzu to lose against Genjutsu due to ABC logic. This wasnt backed up and sounded more like you wanted free internet likes for making that statement.

I have only argued why the ABC logic and your reason behind it doesn't work.

It only end up you debating the character then you actually backing your previous statement.

 

[Pretentious]

Nope because Itachi has no idea he has to kill him 5 times



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Addressed above.

Sigh. You're contradicting yourself.

"after his first death." -- "Itachi has no idea he has to kill him several times."

Once Kakuzu is resuscitated, Itachi's perspective on Kakuzu's anatomy would be fortified -- Irrelevant however, due to the Tengan allowing its user to see the at a cellular level (i.e. Sasuke).

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Previously noted capability enables Itachi to pinpoint the organs harbored inside of Kakuzu & masks effortlessly;

Knowledge of multiple hearts & Itachi being the greatest mind in the Naruto franchise, an inference of Kakuzu's composition would become elementary.

You're not acknowledging that Kakuzu's mask all contain similar chakra (i.e. Kakuzu's), and that Genjutsu affects the entirety. The masks aren't separate entities, that'd be asinine.

Explanation is simplistic. The case is similar to Orochimaru's appearance through Anko's CM -- Consciousness remains if one's chakra is existent.

Basis; Kakuzu's mask are puppeteered through his own conscious, rather than being separate beings.

There's no way around Itachi being victorious here. Concede.

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