Kakashi vs Mei

[GodaimeRaikage]

So for you, which is the fastest jutsu if it's not kamui?

I don't know what's the fastest jutsu, but their are numerous jutsus that have been shown to be faster than Kamui.Amaterasu, FTG,Tbo's S/T ninjutsu, and the list goes on.

And you actually believe what you're saying?xd

Do you enjoy asking inane questions?

Easy to say it without arguments at all. But unfortunately, other people think the exactly opposite.

Without argument? Mei has far superior ninjutsu than Kakashi alone with larger chakra reserve.Which is the only thing they have in common to judge their skills by.And if you disagree with either of those facts, read the manga and see the scale of attacks Mei has used in the Madara fight compare to what we have seen from Kakashi.As for people thinking the exact opposite, go read their arguments.I used something other than baseless claims, and hype to come to my decision;things like facts shown in the manga.My opposition doesn't.

The problem is that her ninjutsu is not fast enough to catch Kakashi.

Speculation without basis.Mei's Lava Release: Lava Globs is quick enough.The same for Water Releaseragon bullet.And that not taking into account Mei has Fire and Earth release jutsu at her disposal we have yet to see.And lets not forget Mei can used Hiding in mist tech.

I've already said she has strong ninjutsu, but it's slow. Just to compare, i think Kakuzus ninjutsu is much more faster than Meis even if it's not stronger.
And for the water release i say it depends, cuz Kakashi has also shown suiton jutsus with almost the same scale as from Mei.

Kakashi hasn't shown his water release jutsu to be anywhere near the same scale as Mei's.Mei block Madara's Fire Release: Great Fire Annihilation by herself.It took nearly 10 Water Release shinobi to block a jutsu that Mei block alone.Kakashi has never shown a water jutsu as powerful and with as wide a range as Mei's Water Release: Water Encampment Pillar.And Mei's water release jutsu was fast enough to block Madara's Fire Release: jutsu which I can assume is faster than Kakashi movement and any jutsu in his arsenal.

Just see the context and stop saying stupid things. Against Zabuza, he only understimated him. He said it himself. He didn't knew he was that strong, and he underestimated him at that time. But after that, Zabuza was beaten easily. And in the second fight, he was only playing with him. When he's seen that Naruto was releasing Kyubis chakra, he said: "i'm sorry to end this game, but i must finish it quickly, cuz i've an important think to do after that" and he owned Zabuza quickly.
And there we were even talking about a weak Kakashi who said himself that the fact that he didn't made missions since a while made him weaker.

He underestimated a member of the seven ninja swordmans?He didn't know he was that strong? A shinobi Kakashi himself had in his bingo book.Well doesn't that make Kakashi look smart.And after that Zabuza wasnt easily beaten.Kakashi had to think up a plan while being bedridden for weeks.Furthermore, that plan involved him getting stabbed by Zabuza so his dog summonings could track the scent.Something that wouldn't work against Mei if she uses the hiding in the mist tech because she uses ninjutsu.And having to be stabbed first in a fight clearly showed Kakashi wasn't "playing with Zabuza".But again, that doesn't matter because Mei doesn't used a blade, which would put kakashi at a severe disadvantage if she uses the hiding in the mist tech.

In part2 he was far more stronger than in part1. You say that he lost against Kakuzu, but not really quite, cuz he had again Kamui to finish him like he said to Naruto afterwards. But even if you were right, you think Mei could have done better? Kakuzu is one of the strongest in Akatsuki, someone who fought even against a monster like Hashirama, someone who has far much experience than everyone, someone who you must kill 5times and has a lot of deadly combos.

He had again Kamui to finish him like he said to naruto? You have to rewrite that in english.I don't have a clue what you are saying, but Kakashi didn't use Kamui in that fight, probably because he couldn't.He would have never been able to touch Kakuza with it.Yes, Mei would have done better.Mei can combine jutsu on top of each other, which is obvious.When Kakuza fire and wind heart combine their attacks, which Kakashi had to dodge, Mei would have simply combine two water attacks on top of each other to block it.See madara fight for proof Mei can combine multiple jutsus.As for Kakuza history, why do you constantly bring up meaningless banter? What does Kakuza fighting the first hokage have to do with who could do better in a fight against him? The same for what does having to killed him five times have to do with anything?

He lost against Pain. You think Mei could have done better? She would have been killed easily. So just stop saying nonsense and take a look to the opponents Kakashi had to face. They are all monsters. They are all above Kage levels.

Yes, she could have.Saying she would have been killed easy when not providing anything to back that up is nonsense.If Mei was that easy to killed she would have been killed by Madara already.Deva Path has the ability to draw in and push back.After every jutsu Deva Path has to wait five second to recharge.Mei can used mulitple jutsu at a time, thus allowing her to attack with one jutsu , then after Pain pushes that jutsu back, attack with another only moment afterward.So yes, Mei would have done better than Kakashi.And try using your brain to think before you say stupid things.Saying all the Akatsuki member are above Kage level, when for one, all kage aren't on the same level, and two, members of the akatsuki have been defeated by shinobis who weren't kages is stupid.Not to mention,Edo Diedara nearly s**ted his pants when Onoki was going to used his Dust Release jutsu on him.So there's a serious flaw in your logic.

Kakashi actually managed to kill Zabuza and Haku, to take 2hearts from Kakuzu, to take an arm from Deidara, to kill Asura Path from Pain, to beat Kisames master, but what did Mei actually do to think she is stronger? She defeated no one. Even black Zetsu she is incapable to beat in a group with powerful jounins. She didn't even hurt someone except from a deadly Sasuke.

Haku jump in front of Kakashi to protect Zabuza.Furthermore, Ensui Nara hed Haku down with his Shadow Imitation Technique so he could be sealed.Not to mention, the only way Kakashi was able to find Zabuza in the mist was because of Santa Yamanaka using his sensor ability while in Kakashi body.So my question is how are you trying to take give kakashi a victory in that battle when it took an entire division to beat the seven ninja swordmans?
The only real one on one victory Kakashi had was killing Fuguki Suikazan, kisame master.But Fuguki Suikazan was also the only seven ninja swordmen without a sword, so how much stock can you take in that win.

As for Asura Path, apparently, you have bad eyes.Chouza killed Asura Path.

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You also seem to forgotten that Chouze and Choji alone with many other Leaf Shinobi were in that fight and the only reason Kakashi even had a chance on getting near Deva Path was because of Chouza and Choji.So that's yet another team accomplishment you are trying to give to Kakashi.

As for Mei, how much of Mei have you seen? Did Black Zetsu attack Mei at all while she was protecting the Frost Lord? Or was Black Zetsu simply using guerrilla tactics? Of course I already know the answer to those question, but I doubt you do which is why you would bring up something so stupid.The only time we saw Black Zetsu fighting with Mei's Division was when she kick him once and when Naruto showed up.What happen inbetween that is a completely mystery, but from Tobi's orders to Black Zetsu it's obvious Black Zetsu wasn't taking Mei's or her division head on.Also, asking what Mei has done when we haven't seen much of Mei is ridiculous to say the least.We haven't seen Mei in a full on fight by herself, but we have seen the power of her jutsus, which is the only information she can be judged by.

Go and say that to Deidara who was even flying far away from Kakashi.

Susanoo arrows for example...

How long was Kakashi behind Diedara before he actually caught Deidara in Kamui? Then tell me why couldn't diedara just fly in a different directions.Then ask yourself how would Kakashi's Kamui work if Diedara was not only flying in different direction like Diedara did when he was fighting Gaara, but also attacking with the same jutsu he used against Gaara.How fast would Kamui have been then.And I'm being sarcastic when I ask how fast, seeing as Kamui wasn't fast at all when Kakashi used it on Diedara.

Susanoo arrows were coming straight at kakashi, so what's your point.

 

[Bogard]

I don't know what's the fastest jutsu, but their are numerous jutsus that have been shown to be faster than Kamui.Amaterasu, FTG,Tbo's S/T ninjutsu, and the list goes on.

Amaterasu isn't faster than Kamui at all. To launch Amaterasu you must concentrate a little bit before(and blood come out from the eyes also), when Kamui can be cast in an blink of eye. Even Tobis S/T ninjutsu takes time like Konan said. The only jutsu that you listed which is probably faster or at least at the same speed is FTG.

Do you enjoy asking inane questions?

Kabuto was the one who took control of Haku to protect Zabuza. So saying that he did nothing is really laughable.

Without argument? Mei has far superior ninjutsu than Kakashi alone with larger chakra reserve.Which is the only thing they have in common to judge their skills by.And if you disagree with either of those facts, read the manga and see the scale of attacks Mei has used in the Madara fight compare to what we have seen from Kakashi.As for people thinking the exact opposite, go read their arguments.I used something other than baseless claims, and hype to come to my decision;things like facts shown in the manga.My opposition doesn't.

She is not "far superior" in ninjutsu to begin with. She has stronger ninjutsus and Kekkei genkei, but Kakashi is more versatile than her. That's the difference. Also for the scale of suiton jutsus just look at this:

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I don't think the scale of this jutsu is lesser than the dragon flood of Mei for example.
Look at this also:

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So in suiton jutsus it's clearly debattable like i've said before. And don't also forget his nickname. He could even possibly copy Meis suitons like he copied Zabuzas or Kisames.

Speculation without basis.Mei's Lava Release: Lava Globs is quick enough.The same for Water Releaseragon bullet.And that not taking into account Mei has Fire and Earth release jutsu at her disposal we have yet to see.And lets not forget Mei can used Hiding in mist tech.

I'm only talking about what i'm seeing, and the fact is that this jutsu is slow:

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Nothing compared to this:

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And Kakashi has shown he was fast enough to avoid this type of attacks while even fighting Hidan.

And for fire and earth we've never seen her do that in the manga. If you begin to speculate with things like that, i could also say that Kakashi has 1000jutsus so he could counter every ninjutsu coming from Mei.

He underestimated a member of the seven ninja swordmans?He didn't know he was that strong? A shinobi Kakashi himself had in his bingo book.Well doesn't that make Kakashi look smart.

He said it himself here:

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"He is stronger than expected".

And after that Zabuza wasnt easily beaten.Kakashi had to think up a plan while being bedridden for weeks.Furthermore, that plan involved him getting stabbed by Zabuza so his dog summonings could track the scent.Something that wouldn't work against Mei if she uses the hiding in the mist tech because she uses ninjutsu.And having to be stabbed first in a fight clearly showed Kakashi wasn't "playing with Zabuza".But again, that doesn't matter because Mei doesn't used a blade, which would put kakashi at a severe disadvantage if she uses the hiding in the mist tech.

- It was actually only one week, and he wasn't alone to think about how to counter each other. Zabuza even came up with a plan "using the mist jutsu directly and avoiding eye contacts to avoid genjutsus".
- I say he was playing with Zabuza because he could have kill him before, but he was just waiting, but when he sensed Naruto chakra, he wanted to finish quickly what he did. That shows he was playing. He even said that to Zabuza. For the plan to left himself getting stabbed by Zabuza it was just a plan for this circumstance. Against Mei he could think otherwise. He is smart enough for that.

He had again Kamui to finish him like he said to naruto? You have to rewrite that in english.I don't have a clue what you are saying, but Kakashi didn't use Kamui in that fight, probably because he couldn't.

He said it himself that he would have use Kamui and will have beaten him with Kamui to end in the hospital:

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Yes, Mei would have done better.Mei can combine jutsu on top of each other, which is obvious.When Kakuza fire and wind heart combine their attacks, which Kakashi had to dodge, Mei would have simply combine two water attacks on top of each other to block it.See madara fight for proof Mei can combine multiple jutsus.As for Kakuza history, why do you constantly bring up meaningless banter? What does Kakuza fighting the first hokage have to do with who could do better in a fight against him? The same for what does having to killed him five times have to do with anything?

Well do you actually believe Mei will stand for long if she wants to counter every kakuzus combo? She is alone when Kakuzu has 5monster targetting her in different directions. Unless you've a solid defense, when you're alone you can only dodge that. And even in stamina, Kakuzu is far above her just because he has 5types of chakra. She will be exhausted if she try to do what you're talking about(if she is even capable to withstand that). Kakuzu has also strong defense and is powerful in taijutsu. She has no chance against Kakuzu. And for the reason why i'm talking about Kakuzu fighting Hashirama, it's only to show you how powerful he is, and at the time he fought Hashirama he didn't even had 5hearts at all(he only had one).

Yes, she could have.Saying she would have been killed easy when not providing anything to back that up is nonsense.If Mei was that easy to killed she would have been killed by Madara already.

She would have been killed quickly if she was alone. Just look at this pic:

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She was already exhausted here and needed to get healed by Tsunade.

Deva Path has the ability to draw in and push back.After every jutsu Deva Path has to wait five second to recharge.Mei can used mulitple jutsu at a time, thus allowing her to attack with one jutsu , then after Pain pushes that jutsu back, attack with another only moment afterward.So yes, Mei would have done better than Kakashi.And try using your brain to think before you say stupid things.

Don't forget something. We're judging 2performances. So Mei is not suppose to know at the beginning the weakness of 5second from Deva Path. And i'm not sure she could notice that fast enough before she get killed. Kakashi noticed that, and almost killed Asura by himself before Choza and Choji came, while he was fighting at that time in a configuration of 2vs1(Deva+Asura vs Kakashi).

Saying all the Akatsuki member are above Kage level, when for one, all kage aren't on the same level, and two, members of the akatsuki have been defeated by shinobis who weren't kages is stupid.Not to mention,Edo Diedara nearly s**ted his pants when Onoki was going to used his Dust Release jutsu on him.So there's a serious flaw in your logic.

I'm not saying all of them are above Kage level i'm saying that Kakuzu and Pain are above that. Deidara is kage level. He beated Gaara without even trying to kill him in an environment where Gaara was at his advantage.

So my question is how are you trying to take give kakashi a victory in that battle when it took an entire division to beat the seven ninja swordmans?

Where have you seen that i've said he has beaten the 7swordsmen alone? I only said Zabuza+Haku+Kisames master. For the rest maybe, but we don't know at all, so i never mentioned that. You're the one actually saying something i never said.

The only real one on one victory Kakashi had was killing Fuguki Suikazan, kisame master.But Fuguki Suikazan was also the only seven ninja swordmen without a sword, so how much stock can you take in that win.

Even without sword, they are powerful. Just look at Kisame. And we are even talking about his master.

As for Asura Path, apparently, you have bad eyes.Chouza killed Asura Path.

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You also seem to forgotten that Chouze and Choji alone with many other Leaf Shinobi were in that fight and the only reason Kakashi even had a chance on getting near Deva Path was because of Chouza and Choji.So that's yet another team accomplishment you are trying to give to Kakashi.

If it was not Choza or Choji, Kakashi would have killed him like he said himself. Also Asura didn't die at that time. He died against the Raikiri of Kakashi afterwards when he was trying to save Deva.

Also, asking what Mei has done when we haven't seen much of Mei is ridiculous to say the least.We haven't seen Mei in a full on fight by herself, but we have seen the power of her jutsus, which is the only information she can be judged by.

The fact that during one day long or even more, she is not capable to deal with Black Zetsu when she has a complete team of powerful jounins on her side, make me seriously doubt that she is that powerful like you believe.

How long was Kakashi behind Diedara before he actually caught Deidara in Kamui?

Like i've said, if we see only manga page, it only took 3/4pages and that's even because he couldn't master the jutsu at that time, and also because Deidara was far away from his range.

Then tell me why couldn't diedara just fly in a different directions.

Just because he was paralyse. Like he said himself, he could not go away from the vortex of Kamui.

Susanoo arrows were coming straight at kakashi, so what's your point.

It was coming quickly straight to Kakashi(less than a split seconds). If Kamui was not an instant jutsu, he would have die at that moment.

 

[Heruvim]

Kakashi.

 

[Ezios]

:kakashi: will win wease:

mei not even close to kakashi mind , hand sign speed , capable to use shalingan at good range
drawbach less stamina so what

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[Ezios]

:whoa:

actually my first post states that kakashi has chances of winning... that i would bet on mei if i had to bet... the corrisive mist i speak of is more to keep kakashi at a distance... and having her other elements and lava style to fight at a distance yea... i deffinitly think she can pressure him... also she's only used one jutsu from lava style, im pretty sure she has others(the jinchuriki lava user used a long range phenix flower like lava style jutsu)...

 

[Sazzi]

2days? If we're looking at manga pages, it only took 3/4pages.xd

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And at that time he couldn't even master the jutsu very well. Like you must know, now it's even much more faster, it's an instant jutsu.

i put exagertation right nxt to that, it was still alast resort again deidera... and he still doesnt use it right off the bat except against a person he knows he will die against either way... and by the way u guys make it sound kakashi supposedly doesnt have that much to worry about ... (sarcasim)...

 

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Kakashi mid dif

 

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