Kakashi vs Jiraiya

[Great Master Minato]

SM Jiraiya > Kakashi > Base Jiraiya...As Simple As This...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Uh when did Sasuke take the paper test? Pretty sure he has two natural affinities, like how water and earth are both natural affinities for Yamato.

The paper only registers the affinity. Kakashi wasn't gonna teach sasuke chidori if it wasn't his affinity

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Trying to base yamato's affinity off of a kkg that was forced on him isn't a good rebuttal. Not to mention you can only have 1 affinity but multiple releases. It would be the equivalent of saying Danzo's affinity is water and earth despite it clearly being wind.

 

[Demonic.]

SM Jiraiya > MS Kakashi > Base Jiraiya> 3T Kakashi > Base Kakashi...

That's better

 

[Great Master Minato]

That's better

Yep Pretty Much

 

[LuckyMan]

@Benjermin

That is correct

You are only born with 1 affinity but you have the capacity to learn others. Example is Kakashi for Raiton, Naruto with Futon

Rare shinobi (I guess by natural selection, social Darwinism etc) are born with 2 affinities. In every case we seen, these shinobi can fuse those 2 affnities to create an entire new nature. These are KKG. Examples are Darui with Ranton, Mei with Yonton

Very Rare shinobi are born with 3 affinities and its called KKT. Like Muu and Onoki.

I use to think all KKG belonged to one specific clan but after seeing Yonton users in Kumo (Dodai), Kiri (Mei), and Iwa (Kurotsuchi) I'm certain now that its just natural selection, very rare, and even if you can use 2 natures, you can't fuse them unless you were innately born with the 2. Its probably why most KKG users in Kiri were slaughtered and brought nearly to the verge of extinction because its an unnatural occurrence and thought to be an abomination.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

@Benjermin

That is correct

You are only born with 1 affinity but you have the capacity to learn others. Example is Kakashi for Raiton, Naruto with Futon

Rare shinobi (I guess by natural selection, social Darwinism etc) are born with 2 affinities. In every case we seen, these shinobi can fuse those 2 affnities to create an entire new nature. These are KKG. Examples are Darui with Ranton, Mei with Yonton

Very Rare shinobi are born with 3 affinities and its called KKT. Like Muu and Onoki.

I use to think all KKG belonged to one specific clan but after seeing Yonton users in Kumo (Dodai), Kiri (Mei), and Iwa (Kurotsuchi) I'm certain now that its just natural selection, very rare, and even if you can use 2 natures, you can't fuse them unless you were innately born with the 2. Its probably why most KKG users in Kiri were slaughtered and brought nearly to the verge of extinction because its an unnatural occurrence and thought to be an abomination.

Hmm. I guess.

 

[Beans2]

The paper only registers the affinity. Kakashi wasn't gonna teach sasuke chidori if it wasn't his affinity

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Trying to base yamato's affinity off of a kkg that was forced on him isn't a good rebuttal. Not to mention you can only have 1 affinity but multiple releases. It would be the equivalent of saying Danzo's affinity is water and earth despite it clearly being wind.

Lol.....

The entire Uchiha clan has fire natured chakra. Sasuke has a fire affinity as well as a lightning affinity. Nothing you showed me proves that Sasuke only has a lightning affinity.

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Yamato says generally everyone has chakra that fits one of those categories. Not everyone, just most people. I see no reason why Sasuke can't have two affinities.

 

[super yang]

base jiraiya > 1 MS kakashi

 

[LuckyMan]

Lol.....

The entire Uchiha clan has fire natured chakra. Sasuke has a fire affinity as well as a lightning affinity. Nothing you showed me proves that Sasuke only has a lightning affinity.

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Yamato says generally everyone has chakra that fits one of those categories. Not everyone, just most people. I see no reason why Sasuke can't have two affinities.

He can't combine Katon and Raiton. Theres a reason.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol.....

The entire Uchiha clan has fire natured chakra. Sasuke has a fire affinity as well as a lightning affinity. Nothing you showed me proves that Sasuke only has a lightning affinity.

the uchiha clan is known for fire techs but that does mean it's their affinity. Those born with 2 affinities have a kkg corresponding towards it. Sasuke does not. Hence why it took him forever to perform the basic katon.

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Yamato says generally everyone has chakra that fits one of those categories. Not everyone, just most people. I see no reason why Sasuke can't have two affinities.

Read above.

 

[Beans2]

the uchiha clan is known for fire techs but that does mean it's their affinity. Those born with 2 affinities have a kkg corresponding towards it. Sasuke does not. Hence why it took him forever to perform the basic katon.

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Read above.

You're really not reading the manga are you? Yamato outright says, "The uchiha clan had fire natured chakra."

 

[Korowa]

Jiraiya in SM takes it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You're really not reading the manga are you? Yamato outright says, "The uchiha clan had fire natured chakra."

Notice how he didn't use the word "affinity".

Everybody else that has two affinities have a kkg to go along with it.

Saying that katon is the uchiha affinity would mean anyone that has a sharingan automatically gets it since it's in their blood. That too isn't the case.

 

[Popeyes]

kakashi wins what is this?
u guys dont know anyhting

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Jiraiya wins both scenario's because Kamui is restricted

 

[Beans2]

Notice how he didn't use the word "affinity".

Everybody else that has two affinities have a kkg to go along with it.

Saying that katon is the uchiha affinity would mean anyone that has a sharingan automatically gets it since it's in their blood. That too isn't the case.

Lol...

He said, the Uchiha clan had fire natured chakra. Why would he say that if Uchiha Clan members did not have a genetic disposition towards fire chakra? Why would the Uchiha clan specialize in fire techniques if they don't have fire affinity? Nope, clearly people can have more than one affinity without having a KKG to go along with it, an example being Sasuke. Mei was born with Fire, Water, and Earth chakra affinities but her only KKG are Boil Release and Lava Release, she can't combine Earth and Water elements despite being born with them. Sasuke has both Lightning and Fire chakra affinities, and you can't prove otherwise.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol...

He said, the Uchiha clan had fire natured chakra. Why would he say that if Uchiha Clan members did not have a genetic disposition towards fire chakra? Why would the Uchiha clan specialize in fire techniques if they don't have fire affinity? Nope, clearly people can have more than one affinity without having a KKG to go along with it, an example being Sasuke. Mei was born with Fire, Water, and Earth chakra affinities but her only KKG are Boil Release and Lava Release, she can't combine Earth and Water elements despite being born with them. Sasuke has both Lightning and Fire chakra affinities, and you can't prove otherwise.

Mei kkg's corresponds to her affinities.

Why is it that those that have uchiha DNA in them don't gain fire style?
Everyone that gained hashirama's DNA gained wood style.
Those that gain juugo's DNA gain a pusedo curse mark.
those that have uzumaki DNA have extremely powerful chakra/stamina.
ppl from Suigetsu's clan or ppl with his DNA can use water techs and liquify themselves.
Yet ppl that have uchiha DNA through sharingan don't get fire style. ...
It's pretty simple. their katon mastery has nothing to do with their affinities.

 

[Beans2]

Mei kkg's corresponds to her affinities.

How is this a counter of any sort? You claim that if Sasuke had both lightning and fire he would have a KKG of some sort that corresponds with those elements - Mei has Water and Earth, yet she can't combine the two. So obviously having multiple chakra affinities does not mean you have a KKG as well.

Why is it that those that have uchiha DNA in them don't gain fire style?
Everyone that gained hashirama's DNA gained wood style.
Those that gain juugo's DNA gain a pusedo curse mark.
those that have uzumaki DNA have extremely powerful chakra/stamina.
ppl from Suigetsu's clan or ppl with his DNA can use water techs and liquify themselves.
Yet ppl that have uchiha DNA through sharingan don't get fire style. ...

Implanting a sharingan into your eye is totally different from being born with traits because your parents have those traits. Obviously you aren't going to get a fire affinity from just implanting eyes. People in Suigetsu Hozuki's clan all have water affinities and use liquification to the extent they do because it's a hereditary trait. Just like how people in the Uchiha clan all have fire affinities.

It's pretty simple. their katon mastery has nothing to do with their affinities.

Really? Because Yamato outright stated that it does. Manga's statement > your interpretation. Please just stop being stubborn and admit you were wrong. If you don't have a scan in your next post which states the opposite of what Yamato said, I won't respond.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How is this a counter of any sort? You claim that if Sasuke had both lightning and fire he would have a KKG of some sort that corresponds with those elements - Mei has Water and Earth, yet she can't combine the two. So obviously having multiple chakra affinities does not mean you have a KKG as well.

ugh. She has 2 kkg's that they correspond to. Bringing up mei isn't a counter since she actually her elements corresponds to her two blood line limits.

Implanting a sharingan into your eye is totally different from being born with traits because your parents have those traits. Obviously you aren't going to get a fire affinity from just implanting eyes.

According to you it's not. It's the reason you brought up yamato. He was implanted with someone else's dna and gained their elemental release. If katon techs come with uchiha blood then kakashi, and danzo would also gain it do to having uchiha DNA in them.

People in Suigetsu Hozuki's clan all have water affinities and use liquification to the extent they do because it's a hereditary trait.

No it's a kkg. This is proven by kabuto. He injected himself with their dna and gained that ability.

Just like how people in the Uchiha clan all have fire affinities.

Obviously not since kakashi and danzo didn't get fire release despite having uchiha DNA in them.

Really? Because Yamato outright stated that it does. Manga's statement > your interpretation. Please just stop being stubborn and admit you were wrong. If you don't have a scan in your next post which states the opposite of what Yamato said, I won't respond.

No he didn't. He never used the word affinity.

 

[EKSITE]

Given that you didnt restrict jiariya toad summonings but kakashi kamui i see Jiariya taking this mid diff