Kakashi vs Jiraiya

[Beans2]

Location: Sannin Showdown
Intel: Manga
Conditions: Jiraiya starts in base. This is War Arc Kakashi.
Restrictions: Kamui
Distance: 30 meters

Scenario 2: Sage Mode is restricted.

 

[Bogard]

SM Jiraya > Sharingan Kakashi > Base Jiraya

In the scenario1, Jiraya will take this if he decides to enter SM(and i think he can)

 

[Apêx1]

Jiraiya wins both scenarios in my opinion. Can he even counter Yomi numa whilst fighting Jiraiya's clones?

 

[Bogard]

Jiraiya wins both scenarios in my opinion. Can he even counter Yomi numa whilst fighting Jiraiya's clones?

Lightning > Doton. His raiton attacks will nullify it

 

[Apêx1]

Lightning > Doton. His raiton attacks will nullify it

I know, but will his lightning be able to counter the whole Yomi Numa engulfing him (rather than a single spot) while Jiraiya's clones are launching attacks at Kakashi?

 

[Bogard]

I know, but will his lightning be able to counter the entire Yomi Numa engulfing him while Jiraiya's clones are launching attacks at Kakashi?

He doesn't need to. He only needs to nullify the area where he'd be presumably concealed. Also Kakashi has faster handseal speed than Jiraya and Sharingan to read his handseal movements to boot. Jiraya also never start battles with clones. That is on the contrary Kakashi's strategy

 

[LuckyMan]

Kakashi wins these scenarios. If Jiraiya starts in SM he stomps the hell out of him MS Kakashi or not.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Only way I see Jiraiya winning is if he enters SM. 3T Kakashi can copy any of Jiraiyas elemental jutsu, and with superior handseal speed, Jiraiya gets the same treatment Zabuza did. Summonings are countered via sharingan genjutsu... Yeah, don't see any edge Jiraiya, while in base, has over Sharingan Kakashi.

 

[Apêx1]

He doesn't need to. He only needs to nullify the area where he'd be presumably concealed. Also Kakashi has faster handseal speed than Jiraya and Sharingan to read his handseal movements to boot. Jiraya also never start battles with clones. That is on the contrary Kakashi's strategy

I meant as in the whole small area touching his body. Though I agree with the rest, I guess Kakashi wins non-SM Jiraiya since that's all I saw going for Jiraiya there.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Jiraiya wins both scenarios in my opinion. Can he even counter Yomi numa whilst fighting Jiraiya's clones?

Counter? No, no counter for Yomi Numa exists that I'm aware of, short of using ninjutsu absorption.

It's questionable that Jiraiya would even bother with it, though. He seems pretty knowledgeable of Kakashi, and as

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, Kakashi approaches pretty much every fight the same if at all possible, which is using clones to figure out his opponents abilities. He's already aware off of reputation, and

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that Jiraiya has ridiculous abilities that he has yet to see, so I see no reason Kakashi doesn't approach this fight the same way.

It's also questionable if Jiraiya even bothers with Yomi Numa before attempting to reach SM. He's claims

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and is aware of his ability with the sharingan, probably wouldn't want to risk Kakashi copying it to use against him.

Either way, Kakashi has to end this fight before Jiraiya reaches SM, otherwise it turns in to a stomp. If nothing else, Kakashi does not have an answer for(nor does just about anyone else in this manga) Gama Rinsho, if Jiraiya can't manage to end him with his superior strength in SM/his elemental abilities assisted by the Fukasaku and Shima.

 

[Beans2]

Only way I see Jiraiya winning is if he enters SM. 3T Kakashi can copy any of Jiraiyas elemental jutsu, and with superior handseal speed, Jiraiya gets the same treatment Zabuza did. Summonings are countered via sharingan genjutsu... Yeah, don't see any edge Jiraiya, while in base, has over Sharingan Kakashi.

Literally the only jutsu Kakashi would be able to copy is Yomi Numa.

 

[Apêx1]

Literally the only jutsu Kakashi would be able to copy is Yomi Numa.

Katon's should be copy-able as well though.

 

[Bogard]

Literally the only jutsu Kakashi would be able to copy is Yomi Numa.

He can use every elements

 

[Beans2]

Katon's should be copy-able as well though.

IIRC, Kakashi never showed katon affinity...

 

[EliteKakashi]

I haven't seen the new movie which is supposed to be canon, but unless he uses futon and katon in it, his only canon elements are raiton, doton and suiton.

 

[Bogard]

I haven't seen the new movie which is supposed to be canon, but unless he uses futon and katon in it, his only canon elements are raiton, doton and suiton.

It comes from the recent databook which says he can use every element including yin and yang

 

[Apêx1]

IIRC, Kakashi never showed katon affinity...

But the DB still lists him as a user so he should be capable of using it (since he obviously didn't put the effort into learning it for no reason). Though I guess it is subjective..

 

[EliteKakashi]

It comes from the recent databook which says he can use every element including yin and yang

That makes absolutely no sense. Especially when you consider him telling Naruto to go to Asuma for Futon training and Yamato's statement of "no wonder he's having trouble with Kakuzu if he's capable of using all 5 elements". Which that statement doesn't make a ton of sense anyway considering not even Kakuzu showed the ability to use all 5 during their fight, but whatever I guess.

 

[Selan]

War Arc (not Rikudo obviously) Kakashi is far, far faster than base Jiraiya, as he could outspeed Obito (that was physically as fast as no Shunshin KCM Naruto and by extension as V1 Raikage), intercept Kaguya's bone projectile with his dash, combo with Gated Gai, react and move on par with Minato and counterblitz Sharingan and Rinnegan enhanced V2 jinchuriki hitting them with Raikiri. He also pressured with his speed Asura Path, the same that blitzed SM Jiraiya. He has Sharingan precognition and unblockable Raiton attacks.

So Kakashi can blitz Jiraiya with far superior speed, adding Sharingan precognition to better time his attack, and use Raikiri, Raikiri kunai or Raiden to cut through any Ranjishigami or Hari Jizo with ease. Kakashi is also definitely smarter and more versatile, has the elemental advantage (Suiton > Katon, Raiton > Doton, plus his own Doton); has Sharingan genjutsu on par with Obito's, while genjutsu is one of Jiraiya's biggest weaknesses. Preta Path could dance around Gamabunta, so the much faster Kakashi will definitely dodge every of his attacks and cut off his limbs with Raiton ninjutsu. Jiraiya is not making SM with a faster and smarter opponent pressuring him and even if you make him starting in SM, Kakashi would outperform him with a Raiton Kage Bunshin and then kill him with a Silent Killing Raikiri. Jiraiya in SM had to run away from Preta, Human and Anima, when Kakashi without needing the Mangekyo could trick and corner, and more than once, the much stronger Deva and Asura.

All that is obviously with Kamui restricted, Kakashi's Mangekyo Sharingan,, especially with his War Arc feats, is something really too haxxed for Jiraiya, as good as he can be. That would end the match in an instant.

 

[Beans2]

It comes from the recent databook which says he can use every element including yin and yang

But the DB still lists him as a user so he should be capable of using it (since he obviously didn't put the effort into learning it for no reason). Though I guess it is subjective..

Databook lists the affinities which those characters are capable of mastering, not ones that they use. Kakashi and Yamato already explained that each person is born with one main affinity, and has the capability to master several more. The affinities Kakashi has mastered enough to be able to use jutsu with are lightning, water, and earth.

Tsunade was listed as being able to use every element as well, does that mean she can use Yomi Numa after seeing the hand seals for it once? Lol, obviously not.