[VS] Kakakuri and Cracker vs Mihawk and Doflamingo

[Rikudou Tobi]

Issho may not use it all the time but he saw auras like Usopp did. Plus using it for something like seeing might not be that taxing especially for someone at the level of characters who fight for 10 days especially when he gets to sleep each day where he's not using it.

You said that he uses CoO to get around, so how is he not using it all the time? When birdcage happened, he was saying the he can physically hear the voices that's been going on. You're basing that silhouettes on the premise that it must be CoO in which it can simply mean any his heightened senses.
On top of that there's the moment when he failed dodge G3 Luffy's elephant gun so i'm finding this really hard to believe that he as CoO.

As for Luffy we still don't see any strings there, we only know there was more than one because when Luffy broke free "snap" was written two or three times.

Yeah I know we don't see the strings but you do see that luffy and sanji were held in the same way, right?
On top of that with King Riku who was control with a slightly different finger motion still had more than one string even attached to his limbs too.

What about this though, Kings haki requires more aura and stamina than the rest of the haki because it's superior and unspammable...I believe that all 3 colors use the same aura/will. Do they all use the same amount of haki per usage or does kings haki use more per usage?

I think Kings haki requires more aura/stamina because it's so powerful. I also have this theory on that the power of kings haki is so powerful that it can overwhelm people to the extent that they lose their sense to change in form correctly (logias won't be stable enough to go intangible), lose their calm (observation haki will go down), and lose ambition to full their will/aura (armament gradually wane down) through the power of overwhelming someone deflecting all 2 other colours as well as logia users that change shape to be invisible. As of now it's just a theory but because that haki is superior then the rest and the Dark King was unable to spam it, there must be more to it.

 

[MickNerks]

One is said to on par with a Yonko while the other is scared a Yonko
One was said to have daily duels with a Yonko while the other was just recently beaten

Mihawk was never stated to be on par with a Yonko. It was stated that he clashed with shanks, but the time frame is never given. For all, we know those fight could be when shanks was yonko first mate level himself. Its pure speculation to suggest mihawk is yonko level.

This is no different from Luffy becomng pirate king and a rumor gets spread that Katakuri and luffy clashed mulitple times in the past. Would you then assume that Katakuri is near pirate king level because of a clash that happen well before luffy become pirate king. Also, why would Zoro spend his 2 years training with someone who is Yonko level, but the main character only trains with someone who is First commander level?

I say this to outline the importance of detail in hype because without it people can make wild speculation that is no where close to the truth.

 

[chopstickchakra]

You said that he uses CoO to get around, so how is he not using it all the time? When birdcage happened, he was saying the he can physically hear the voices that's been going on. You're basing that silhouettes on the premise that it must be CoO in which it can simply mean any his heightened senses.
On top of that there's the moment when he failed dodge G3 Luffy's elephant gun so i'm finding this really hard to believe that he as CoO.

I said we(most) all assumed he had it because of how well he could get around despite being blind and his betting incident which may indicate that he uses it to see. Whether he does in fact use it all day isn't known.

As for getting hit, you can still hit CoO users and if it was at the end like I think it was Fuji was letting the Straw Hats get away but still had to look like he wasn't so he took hits.

As for the auras, I suppose but the auras coupled with the being able to hear the people's true feelings match up with the descriptions of CoO.

Issho having CoO is strongly implied, that he uses it all day to see is an idea. I still think you're too hung up on the stamina issue to consider he could use it all day though, Why is it so outlandish to consider someone at the level of people who fought 10 days could have ob haki active for less than 24 hours without it taxing their stamina?

Yeah I know we don't see the strings but you do see that luffy and sanji were held in the same way, right?
On top of that with King Riku who was control with a slightly different finger motion still had more than one string even attached to his limbs too.

Yeah but isn't that a bit of speculation since we can't see the strings and just about every case other than Luffy shows or implies it was a single string? As for Riku was it? I thought I remember seeing only a single string come down on Riku?

I think Kings haki requires more aura/stamina because it's so powerful. I also have this theory on that the power of kings haki is so powerful that it can overwhelm people to the extent that they lose their sense to change in form correctly (logias won't be stable enough to go intangible), lose their calm (observation haki will go down), and lose ambition to full their will/aura (armament gradually wane down) through the power of overwhelming someone deflecting all 2 other colours as well as logia users that change shape to be invisible. As of now it's just a theory but because that haki is superior then the rest and the Dark King was unable to spam it, there must be more to it.

I agree there must be more to it and it woud make sense it's more taxing to the users stamina then arm or ob haki, even in their strongest forms, I was just curious since you were saying the haki's used the same amount of stamina or that's how it seemed.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I said we(most) all assumed he had it because of how well he could get around despite being blind and his betting incident which may indicate that he uses it to see. Whether he does in fact use it all day isn't known.

As for getting hit, you can still hit CoO users and if it was at the end like I think it was Fuji was letting the Straw Hats get away but still had to look like he wasn't so he took hits.

As for the auras, I suppose but the auras coupled with the being able to hear the people's true feelings match up with the descriptions of CoO.

Issho having CoO is strongly implied, that he uses it all day to see is an idea. I still think you're too hung up on the stamina issue to consider he could use it all day though, Why is it so outlandish to consider someone at the level of people who fought 10 days could have ob haki active for less than 24 hours without it taxing their stamina?

Well like you said it is a assumption but kuzan and sakazuki fighting for 10 days doesn't mean they can use haki for 10 days straight. Especially when Dogtooth has the most superior Observation seen throughout the series that even Big mam couldn't see herself (so you know an admiral has no chance), and he couldn't even use Observation haki for more than a day.
And again he couldn't dodge that surprise attack from G3.

Yeah but isn't that a bit of speculation since we can't see the strings and just about every case other than Luffy shows or implies it was a single string? As for Riku was it? I thought I remember seeing only a single string come down on Riku?

We didn't see the strings for luffy too but the manga showed both Luffy and Sanji in the same hold as well.
As for King Riku it was also more than one string:

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You can see that each finger is for each limb.

I agree there must be more to it and it woud make sense it's more taxing to the users stamina then arm or ob haki, even in their strongest forms, I was just curious since you were saying the haki's used the same amount of stamina or that's how it seemed.

Either way Kings haki is superior and demanded more for the Dark King. And the Dark King I hold him in a very high level standard when it comes to anything Haki even more than my fav Shanks.

Are you still not convinced that cracker/jozu can break out of Parasite? I know we strayed off topic a little bit but we seem to be coming to some type of agreement despite our differences.

 

[Lord Tywin]

What evidence can you provide to prove that there is a gap in strength between Mihawk and Katakuri?

Mihawk is potentially stronger than Shanks, a Yonko widely perceived as stronger than Big Mom. Luffy couldn’t even make big mom uncomfortable with a G4 punch. Luffy beat Katakuri with G4. Luffy is stronger than the people in this match up besides Mihawk and this gap between Mihawk and luffy is large. So I see Mihawk taking two of the commanders high diff. I’m not gonna even go into the battle between Akainu vs the commanders, which is relevant because Mihawk is closer to Akainu in strength, and Akainu was swatting commanders left and right

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

Doffy couldn't control g4 luffy so he can't control cracker dweeb

your still not saying what craker has against doffy if you cant take facts stay off the thread

 

[Skull Knight]

Mihawk is potentially stronger than Shanks, a Yonko widely perceived as stronger than Big Mom. Luffy couldn’t even make big mom uncomfortable with a G4 punch. Luffy beat Katakuri with G4. Luffy is stronger than the people in this match up besides Mihawk and this gap between Mihawk and luffy is large. So I see Mihawk taking two of the commanders high diff. I’m not gonna even go into the battle between Akainu vs the commanders, which is relevant because Mihawk is closer to Akainu in strength, and Akainu was swatting commanders left and right

Nice fanfic

 

[Lord Tywin]

Nice fanfic

What part of it

 

[Sakazuki]

Cracker > doffy
Katakuri >=< mihawk

So they win.

Hell crackers biscuits are > VA
He can make plenty of those to help katakuri while dealing with doffy

And if both can turn things into their df then I'm sure haki will play some role into who can turn what into whose df over the other, and katakuris haki > doffys

 

[Skull Knight]

What part of it

Every thing