Kage Level.

[KingHashirama]

So you're automatically deducing it as a taijutsu fight? Wow, Kishimoto, you've really outdone yourself :|
Like I said before, if the Sage can create the Moon on his deathbed, whilst no longer being the Juubi's jinchuuriki, what chance would Hashirama stand against the Sage while he was younger, and still the Juubi's jinchuuriki?
So you're saying if Hashirama made himself the jinchuuriki of a Tailed Beast (as he had a few of them under his possession), he would stomp the Sage? Because you seem to think that a regular Hashirama can take the Sage. Laughable.

Then there is no point making a statement of SO6P being superior to Madara and Hashirama because he created the moon.

And I said, what are Sage's fighting feats? your showing me power feats aka jutsu feats... I can name Hashirama's. the fact SO6P won't be able to determine the real Hashirama.. In a fight , where both opponents are near each other's level.. fighting skills are what matters.


And no, I always say SO6P > Hashirama powerwise... So6p will always be superior. But we are talking about a fight.. where Hashirama is show superior to anyone in the manga.

That is also why you will never see my trying to put SO6P as a fighter , unless provoked by someone else. Because he wasn't a fighter... he was a priest.

 

[Sacrosanct]

It's far too early in the morning for me to continue this discussion with you, I'd like to continue later, if you'd like.

What I'll say is that a lot of Hashirama's greatest techniques (Not all.) have been used against the Gokage before; you are asking me to debate Gokage vs Hashirama, which means I can use feats they have displayed against Madara. As well as their exceptional team coordination.

I say all this in the confidence that an Edo Madara, possessing the Sharingan, Infinite chakra and Mokuton is able to use Mokuton on Hashirama's level. As he now posses the KKG, his past fights with Hashirama and his witnessing of his techniques can now benefit him.

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My post is sloppy, I'm simply too tired to continue, I will properly try to counter your points tomorrow, sorry.

Oh, I think I know who you are now. I'm afraid it can't continue then, because I am not active.

Can you really compare Sage Mode Hashirama's mokuton to that of Edo Madara? Edo Madara was only stated to have gained a portion of Hashirama's power, and that was before we even knew that Hashirama had Sage Mode. Sage Mode Hashirama's Flower Tree World puts them to sleep. Onoki dies before plot allows him to wake up.

If they evade that, Shinsuusenju can smack them down like Madara did with his Susanoo.

Then there is no point making a statement of SO6P being superior to Madara and Hashirama because he created the moon.

And I said, what are Sage's fighting feats? your showing me power feats aka jutsu feats... I can name Hashirama's. the fact SO6P won't be able to determine the real Hashirama.. In a fight , where both opponents are near each other's level.. fighting skills are what matters.

Would Hashirama and Madara be able to replicate that feat on their deathbeds? I don't think so.

Madara stated that it took EMS to see through Hashirama's mokuton bunshin. As the Sage possesses the Rinnegan, the next step after EMS, it would be speculation to say that the Sage wouldn't be able to tell who he's fighting. However, that's irrelevant. Clones would only provide him with more chakra; Preta Path (you cannot tell me he didn't possess this, as Nagato said his control over the Rinnegan paled in comparison to that of the Sage). Hashirama using mokuton bunshin against the Sage would only waste his chakra.

 

[Daft]

Hashirama and Madara together would have no chance against the Juubi's jinchuuriki. Even on his deathbed, whilst no longer the Juubi's jinchuuriki, he created the Moon. Imagine what he could do while younger and still the Juubi's jinchuuriki.

I know exactly who you are now, I remember your thread on this, at first I thought you'd just somehow read it, when in fact, you created it. Long time, no see, muh Boi.

Oh, I think I know who you are now. I'm afraid it can't continue then, because I am not active.

Can you really compare Sage Mode Hashirama's mokuton to that of Edo Madara? Edo Madara was only stated to have gained a portion of Hashirama's power, and that was before we even knew that Hashirama had Sage Mode. Sage Mode Hashirama's Flower Tree World puts them to sleep. Onoki dies before plot allows him to wake up.

If they evade that, Shinsuusenju can smack them down like Madara did with his Susanoo.

What are the chances you figure out who I am, when I figure out who you are...

 

[Sacrosanct]

I know exactly who you are now, I remember your thread on this, at first I thought you'd just somehow read it, when in fact, you created it. Long time, no see, muh Boi.

What are the chances you figure out who I am, when I figure out who you are...

Yeah, it's still there:

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Coincidence?

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Just showing the manga page that shows the Sage created the Moon on his deathbed while no longer being the Juubi's jinchuuriki.

 

[Daft]

Yeah, it's still there:

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Coincidence?

****ing knew it.

We never did get to finish our debate, how ironic.

 

[Sacrosanct]

****ing knew it.

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We never did get to finish our debate, how ironic.

Lol.

My fault for getting myself taken off a few days after.

 

[Champ]

Agree with everyone but Kankuro

 

[Daft]

Lol.

My fault for getting myself taken off a few days after.

Not your fault the Admin's like any rep but Red.

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Just showing the manga page that shows the Sage created the Moon on his deathbed while no longer being the Juubi's jinchuuriki.

Great thread, I remember it clearly.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Not your fault the Admin's like any rep but Red.

*shrugs* I guess; I don't like talking about it though

I would finish that debate with Mick, but... no. It's not even worth it. He honestly believes Old Hiruzen > Muu, Sandaime Raikage, and the Nidaime Mizukage.

 

[Daft]

*shrugs* I guess; I don't like talking about it though

I would finish that debate with Mick, but... no. It's not even worth it. He honestly believes Old Hiruzen > Muu, Sandaime Raikage, and the Nidaime Mizukage.

I understand, must have been traumatic.

Hiruzen is weak, his Manga feats are shit, he's just a victim of his time of conception. Pre retcon man, I'm telling you. All part one characters are weak as ****.

 

[Darth Vader]

I've noticed that people don't understand this, but... There is a BIG difference between Kage level and Hokage level.

 

[Acid Ace]

Naruto is wayyyy to low on that list man

 

[Joshutsu]

Your list would make more sense and have actually more valid candidates. If you would take out the dead people/edos. They don't count. Darui has mostly hype. He's not kage level in my book we only have the word of the raikage to work with basically.

He's smart I give him that he was able to figure out how to beat the G&S bros, and he has his nice little black lightning thing. Jonin is what i give him though, he just doesn't seem to be that great a kage if he were to be.

 

[slaton02]

Wow, you don't thnk Guy isKage level? or dd you just forget him?

 

[Draegod]

Hanzo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On that list easily! (not power wise, but kage wise)

 

[Aaroninja]

Kage Level is no longer the top, because all the Hokage, and even more so, Madara and Hashirama have been shown to be on a much higher level.

However, I would agree with your list except you left out Gai, Shisui & Sakumo Hatake. I also don't really think Sasori is Kage level and definitely not Kankuro

 

[Kurama999]

The list are not "Kage" Level.
Kage Level had it's privilege.
Minato knew about the power of Kurama, from the way Hashimara decision to keep Kurama.
It was not the numbers of jutsu had, just like Orochimaru thinking.
The unique was the way how to increase the skills level.

For example:
How did Obito could fight at par with "Kage Level" Minato. Obviously Madara could had provided him something.

 

[magnus75damkier]

Darui? Wut???