Kage Level.

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama and Madara together would have no chance against the Juubi's jinchuuriki. Even on his deathbed, whilst no longer the Juubi's jinchuuriki, he created the Moon. Imagine what he could do while younger and still the Juubi's jinchuuriki.

That is a fanboy response. ^_^. Creation of the moon comes with the destruction of Earth. So either he destroyed and killed many at that time... or the moon is about as big as the Meteor Madara summoned.

Kage-level is subjective at best.


However, you can assume one has reached Kage-level when a character has the ability to defeat a Kage or being noted as Kage-level by a Kage.


An example would be someone like Madara Uchiha, a ninja never outright stated to be a Kage-level shinobi, defeating the Gokage and Hashirama Senju noting he wanted Madara to become Hokage.

Another example would be Sasuke Uchiha when he created Hebi. He was able to fight on the level of Itachi Uchiha, noted to be an S-Rank criminal and Kage-level intellect, and defeating Deidara, another S-Rank criminal who defeated the Kazekage earlier.

Madara Uchiha/Naruto/3 Sanin are the only people who can be called Hokage level while not being Hokage.


People like Itachi/Danzo/Kakashi/Guy are Jounin level (whether they are high jounin level or low jounin level).

Even amongst the 3 Sanin Tsunade was made Hokage by Kishimoto due to pure talent at a young age...she was a monster (As stated by Hashirama)

While people might call Itachi Hokage level, he truly is not. Hokage level ninja needs to have a higher then 2.5 stamina. And that my friend is the pure difference.

 

[elsepa]

Nah genjutsu would

gg him quick.

You just mad cuz he would destroy your fav char xd

 

[Smd]

Hebi sasuke did a decent job against Itachi, but that's mainly cause Itachi was sick so I'll let that go.

idunno

i think id itachi had been serious

sasuke would have ended up like nagato

Kage-level is subjective at best.


However, you can assume one has reached Kage-level when a character has the ability to defeat a Kage or being noted as Kage-level by a Kage.


An example would be someone like Madara Uchiha, a ninja never outright stated to be a Kage-level shinobi, defeating the Gokage and Hashirama Senju noting he wanted Madara to become Hokage.

Another example would be Sasuke Uchiha when he created Hebi. He was able to fight on the level of Itachi Uchiha, noted to be an S-Rank criminal and Kage-level intellect, and defeating Deidara, another S-Rank criminal who defeated the Kazekage earlier.

couldnt agree more

 

[Daft]

So... you are saying it is a possibility that Hashirama wouldn't be able to take on the Gokage and win?

What speed feats has Hashirama shown? Can he block Particle style?

No. You know I've not said any such thing. But of course it's possible, highly, in fact. But that's not my point.

 

[Erin]

What speed feats has Hashirama shown? Can he block Particle style?

No. You know I've not said any such thing. But of course it's possible, highly, in fact. But that's not my point.

Hashirama can just use wood clones, as onoki did against muu. Not to mention he can meld with wood and escape all danger while his clones are fighting.

 

[Sacrosanct]

That is a fanboy response. ^_^. Creation of the moon comes with the destruction of Earth. So either he destroyed and killed many at that time... or the moon is about as big as the Meteor Madara summoned.

He created the Moon with the Juubi's body, he didn't take chunks from the Earth like Nagato did.

What speed feats has Hashirama shown? Can he block Particle style?

No. You know I've not said any such thing. But of course it's possible, highly, in fact. But that's not my point.

Hey, there's always the Rashomon Gates. I'm fairly sure that a wood clone of Hashirama would take his granddaughter, and likely even the Godaime Mizukage. What can the Raikage do to get close when Sage Mode Hashirama uses Flower Tree World? Shinsuusenju was able to rip off Perfect Susanoo from Kurama, yet Onoki's jinton powered by Tsunade couldn't even faze it. I don't see how the Gokage would survive once he pulls that out.

 

[Smd]

You just mad cuz he would destroy your fav char xd

fav char= itachi&Sasuke

Itachi- genjutsu gg

Sasuke- Enton Susanno gg, Genjutsu GG

Itachi-low diff

Sasuke- mid diff

That is a fanboy response. ^_^. Creation of the moon comes with the destruction of Earth. So either he destroyed and killed many at that time... or the moon is about as big as the Meteor Madara summoned.

where did you get this from?

I think the s06p was like the creator of everything, so there werent humans around.

 

[Haru70]

Itachi wasn't trying to kill him.

It was literally a kage level bell test.

He can fight seriously without trying to kill him. >__> Its not like he went easy on him.

 

[elsepa]

fav char=

Itachi- genjutsu gg

Sasuke- Enton Susanno gg, Genjutsu GG

Itachi-low diff

Sasuke- mid diff

Cool story bro , gotta rep you for making me laugh.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

kankuro has sasori lol

low kage/ high jounin


Dauri soloed G& S bros. Plus his black lighting

G&S bros whooped on tobirama and almosted killed him.




Nah genjutsu would

gg him quick.

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Actually Darui was beaten....the generic plot progression JUST HAPPENED to switch out his most used word....and by this it caught them way off guard as it has never likely happened.

Then he used Ino-Shika-Cho to beat Kinkaku

 

[fayeon]

Kankuro kage level? Give me a break

And sakura Have a chance to beat him .

 

[KingHashirama]

He created the Moon with the Juubi's body, he didn't take chunks from the Earth like Nagato did.

And how do you do that?

where did you get this from?

I think the s06p was like the creator of everything, so there werent humans around.

-sigh-

HE WAS THE FINDER NOT THE CREATOR .... of NINJUTSU NOT THE HUMAN RACE...

 

[Smd]

Cool story bro , gotta rep you for making me laugh.

Actually Darui was beaten....the generic plot progression JUST HAPPENED to switch out his most used word....and by this it caught them way off guard as it has never likely happened.

Then he used Ino-Shika-Cho to beat Kinkaku

i base my claims on darui

Black Lighting
Aye side man
Given the power to control a whole army of AS.

but he had just fought the g&s bros, so of course he couldnt jump onto him.

 

[Invsblphntm]

And how do you do that?

I don't see the logic of arguing with facts in a fictional story where people can use their power to spit fire and manifest giant apparitions from their bodies.

 

[KingHashirama]

I don't see the logic of arguing with facts in a fictional story where people can use their power to spit fire and manifest giant apparitions from their bodies.

And hence why you should know the logic of something that is not confirmed does not apply to fights. "he created the moon"... if he did.. he had a jutsu to do it. So now if we claim that jutsu was Chibaku tensei.... Then we all should know with that the Earth would be blown up. As moon is 27% of the earth. If that is not true, then the moon is drastically smaller.

 

[Sacrosanct]

And how do you do that?

Ask the manga, or better yet Kishimoto.
Hashirama doesn't stand a chance against the Sage.

 

[ballerjordan]

And hence why you should know the logic of something that is not confirmed does not apply to fights. "he created the moon"... if he did.. he had a jutsu to do it. So now if we claim that jutsu was Chibaku tensei.... Then we all should know with that the Earth would be blown up. As moon is 27% of the earth. If that is not true, then the moon is drastically smaller.

That kind of logic doesn't apply for manga. Rikudou created the Moon on his deathbed when he was an old man and no longer the Juubi's jinchuriki.

 

[KingHashirama]

Ask the manga, or better yet Kishimoto.
Hashirama doesn't stand a chance against the Sage.

Prove to me where the Sage was skilled as Madara and Hashirama in Taijutsu.....when those 2 are put as Gods of Shinobi, why do you claim a fanboyish statement without any proof?

That kind of logic doesn't apply for manga. Rikudou created the Moon on his deathbed when he was an old man and no longer the Juubi's jinchuriki.

It doesn't apply? no wonder most of the arguments on this forum are half baked.

I love how your claiming being a old man has to do with your chakra pool.. When people like Tsunade have shown other wise.

Why compare something to real life, when your not gonna take into the expectations of it?

 

[Sacrosanct]

Prove to me where the Sage was skilled as Madara and Hashirama in Taijutsu.....when those 2 are put as Gods of Shinobi, why do you claim a fanboyish statement without any proof?

So you're automatically deducing it as a taijutsu fight? Wow, Kishimoto, you've really outdone yourself :|
Like I said before, if the Sage can create the Moon on his deathbed, whilst no longer being the Juubi's jinchuuriki, what chance would Hashirama stand against the Sage while he was younger, and still the Juubi's jinchuuriki?
So you're saying if Hashirama made himself the jinchuuriki of a Tailed Beast (as he had a few of them under his possession), he would stomp the Sage? Because you seem to think that a regular Hashirama can take the Sage. Laughable.

 

[Daft]

He created the Moon with the Juubi's body, he didn't take chunks from the Earth like Nagato did.



Hey, there's always the Rashomon Gates. I'm fairly sure that a wood clone of Hashirama would take his granddaughter, and likely even the Godaime Mizukage. What can the Raikage do to get close when Sage Mode Hashirama uses Flower Tree World? Shinsuusenju was able to rip off Perfect Susanoo from Kurama, yet Onoki's jinton powered by Tsunade couldn't even faze it. I don't see how the Gokage would survive once he pulls that out.

It's far too early in the morning for me to continue this discussion with you, I'd like to continue later, if you'd like.

What I'll say is that a lot of Hashirama's greatest techniques (Not all.) have been used against the Gokage before; you are asking me to debate Gokage vs Hashirama, which means I can use feats they have displayed against Madara. As well as their exceptional team coordination.

I say all this in the confidence that an Edo Madara, possessing the Sharingan, Infinite chakra and Mokuton is able to use Mokuton on Hashirama's level. As he now posses the KKG, his past fights with Hashirama and his witnessing of his techniques can now benefit him.

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My post is sloppy, I'm simply too tired to continue, I will properly try to counter your points tomorrow, sorry.