[Theory] JUUBI's CHAKRA AND HUMAN's CHAKRA

[-ahhimane-]

Well the difference was that you said that the tree was not in no way shape or form attacking Madara, or anybody who doesn't possess the kyuubi or hachibi's chakra, and how I explained to you that madara's susanoo cloak was absorbed by the tree. You said that it was because it was attacking hashirama and that Madara just so happened to be in the way, eeh, but I disagree with that, simply because he was also dodging the tree branches, so it was after him as well.

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Madara was standing even when his susano'o got sucked. He didn't dodged the tree because his susano'o came in contact with the tree. He wasn't attacked by the tree at that time.
I'm still thinking that Madara was in the way when the branches were attacking Hashirama. Obviously he will dodge those branches. He won't let his chakra get absorbed when he comes in contact with the tree by standing their.
The tree isn't attacking Madara. But if Madara stands in its way, then the tree will absorb his chakra.

There is difference in "Being involved" and "Getting involved.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Take a good look.

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Madara was standing even when his susano'o got sucked. He didn't dodged the tree because his susano'o came in contact with the tree. He wasn't attacked by the tree at that time.
I'm still thinking that Madara was in the way when the branches were attacking Hashirama. Obviously he will dodge those branches. He won't let his chakra get absorbed when he comes in contact with the tree by standing their.
The tree isn't attacking Madara. But if Madara stands in its way, then the tree will absorb his chakra.

There is difference in "Being involved" and "Getting involved.

Ok well I see your point. I see that Madara is standing on the branches. I guess it's because of Obito controlling the god tree. But again, the god tree is attacking everybody, not just the kyuubi and hachibi, like I said before.

 

[-ahhimane-]

mm, ok well like I said before, the god tree is only trying to take back it's chakra. Did you not listen to what I said? You just said it was his opinion, and that it sensed Naruto's chakra in the form of the bijuus. Well why do you think that the juubi saw the sage within naruto as well? Like I said before, the juubi still thinks it's the sage era, and so looking at Naruto reminds him of the sage, the bjuus within naruto was a reference to the sage being the jinchurriki of the combination of ALL the bijuus. The juubi is mad at the sage because it's also using its chakra. When the sage became its jinchurriki, it became just as much as a sin as when the Princess stole its fruit and so, the god tree is trying to take back all of the chakra men have stolen from him.

That is what I want to say...
Lets be serious, keeping the bashing part aside.
Will you explain me what you think on my question?
Is there chakra inside the humans from the start or everyone got the chakra from the sage and indirectly Juubi?

My further argument will depend on your answer.U_U

 

[Transcendence]

Again, I just want to re-assert this point; it is literally impossible that within a 1000 year time span, people could develop an over-reliance on an outside stimuli (chakra) to the point where losing their reserves causes immediate death.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Ok well I see your point. I see that Madara is standing on the branches. I guess it's because of Obito controlling the god tree. But again, the god tree is attacking everybody, not just the kyuubi and hachibi, like I said before.

You have a point there, but on the battlefield, ALL the shinobis had the strong Kyuubi chakra cloak around them and that is why they're being attacked by the tree.
I haven't seen Tobirama being attacked by the branches when he was standing right next to the growing tree. I have seen him attacking the tree only to save Naruto. Even then they were in the tree's range. The same thing with Hiruzen. He was shown saving Naruto from the huge logs of wood. But wasn't shown being attacked by the tree.

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[-ahhimane-]

Again, I just want to re-assert this point; it is literally impossible that within a 1000 year time span, people could develop an over-reliance on an outside stimuli (chakra) to the point where losing their reserves causes immediate death.

Thanks bro. =D

 

[From the Dark Spire]

That is what I want to say...
Lets be serious, keeping the bashing part aside.
Will you explain me what you think on my question?
Is there chakra inside the humans from the start or everyone got the chakra from the sage and indirectly Juubi?

My further argument will depend on your answer.U_U

Ok, no problem my child, Now from my research, it's widely most likely that chakra did indeed stem from the god tree, when man didn't know the concept of chakra. Now this can be interpreted in many ways, but seeing as to how they relied on weaponary and normal hand to hand fighting, it's also probable that they didn't possess chakra. The way the manga is being interpreted can be sermised like this.. The god tree was not involved in any of the human wars, and it was worhipped like a holy pillar, like a GOD. One day a fruit that only grows once in a millineum sprouted on the tree. I don't know the exact details or reasoning behind it, but it was specifically instructed that humans do not lay a finger on the fruit. Now the reasoning for this could be that humans are more arrogant and greedy than any other living creature. once man discovers the existence of chakra, they become hungry for MORE power.

To stop these wars, a princess took and ate the forbidden fruit, her name was Kaguya Ootsutsuki, AHHIMANE. With that, she was able to stop the war herself, now how could she do this? This can be speculated in the way that she probably gained the absolute power from the fruit, or she could've eaten the fruit and it possibly could've awaikened that which was inside of her the entire time.... which is what you claim.... But you need to understand something. The juubi is the progineter of this world, it's the same thing as the air, water, and what you feel in the atmosphere, the god tree is the PHYSICAL manifestation of NATUAL ENERGY itself. Not something humans originally possessed. So I have sermised that the sage, BORN with chakra within it's body have spread the knowledge of Ninshu and HIS decendents are the generation of shinobi we have now, born with chakra in there bodies... The fruit only bears ONCE a 1000 years, who else other than the princess could've eaten it?

Also, why is the god tree SO angry in the first place? Why was the fruit forbidden in the first place? Because the fruit contains its chakra and men have stolen its chakra and it's only trying to get it back...........................Like I said before.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

You have a point there, but on the battlefield, ALL the shinobis had the strong Kyuubi chakra cloak around them and that is why they're being attacked by the tree.
I haven't seen Tobirama being attacked by the branches when he was standing right next to the growing tree. I have seen him attacking the tree only to save Naruto. Even then they were in the tree's range. The same thing with Hiruzen. He was shown saving Naruto from the huge logs of wood. But wasn't shown being attacked by the tree.

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It could be because of the manipulation of Obito like I said before, so it's debatable.

 

[Byron123]

I got to hand it to you, this was a very well written analysis and your reasoning very good as well as your perspective. I'm just not sure because of the nature of the manga(black and white) if the branches also tried to attack Madara. Ofc, come to think of it, it would make sense since he has Hashirama's mokuton which is juubi's mokuton.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Ok, no problem my child, Now from my research, it's widely most likely that chakra did indeed stem from the god tree, when man didn't know the concept of chakra. Now this can be interpreted in many ways, but seeing as to how they relied on weaponary and normal hand to hand fighting, it's also probable that they didn't possess chakra. The way the manga is being interpreted can be sermised like this.. The god tree was not involved in any of the human wars, and it was worhipped like a holy pillar, like a GOD. One day a fruit that only grows once in a millineum sprouted on the tree. I don't know the exact details or reasoning behind it, but it was specifically instructed that humans do not lay a finger on the fruit. Now the reasoning for this could be that humans are more arrogant and greedy than any other living creature. once man discovers the existence of chakra, they become hungry for MORE power.

To stop these wars, a princess took and ate the forbidden fruit, her name was Kaguya Ootsutsuki, AHHIMANE. With that, she was able to stop the war herself, now how could she do this? This can be speculated in the way that she probably gained the absolute power from the fruit, or she could've eaten the fruit and it possibly could've awaikened that which was inside of her the entire time.... which is what you claim.... But you need to understand something. The juubi is the progineter of this world, it's the same thing as the air, water, and what you feel in the atmosphere, the god tree is the PHYSICAL manifestation of NATUAL ENERGY itself. Not something humans originally possessed. So I have sermised that the sage, BORN with chakra within it's body have spread the knowledge of Ninshu and HIS decendents are the generation of shinobi we have now, born with chakra in there bodies... The fruit only bears ONCE a 1000 years, who else other than the princess could've eaten it?

Also, why is the god tree SO angry in the first place? Why was the fruit forbidden in the first place? Because the fruit contains its chakra and men have stolen its chakra and it's only trying to get it back...........................Like I said before.

Don't get so arrogant with the post. I asked you normally.
Let me explain what I think.
Before the bold part in first paragraph is same what I believe.
Now at the bold thing.
The instruction given not to lay a finger on the fruit was purely instructed by the HUMANS who worshiped the Tree because they believed it as a God Pillar. Since even the warriors pray for the god, they won't lay hand on the tree's fruit. The clear reason behind it is still uncovered.

Next bold in second Paragraph
Kaguya ate the fruit to stop the war. And in a way she stopped it for the time being.

The juubi is the progineter of this world, it's the same thing as the air, water, and what you feel in the atmosphere, the god tree is the PHYSICAL manifestation of NATUAL ENERGY itself.

I agree on this.
But the humans believed it as a God.
Since Kaguya managed to stop the war, people started worshiping her. WHY?(for us) because she gained Juubi's chakra.

But Kishi said through his databooks that Chakra can be molded by physical and spiritual energies.

Don't you think that is also applicable to Kaguya. WIth the Juubi's chakra, she managed to awaken her own chakra. Since she had the Juubi's chakra, Sage born with the chakra.

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Now this can also be taken as, that Sage got a strong chakra nature from his birth already activated but don't have Juubi's chakra OR Sage got Juubi's chakra as well as got his own chakra activated from the birth.
Juubi then got mad at KAGUYA but NOT AT THE SAGE for stealing its chakra.
Sage then managed to seal the Juubi and that is how he got the Juubi's chakra.
Sage studied the chakra inside himself and then taught the humans how to mold chakra inside their own body but not sharing his own chakra with others.
That is how the chakra came into existence through Sage. The fruit, Kaguya and the Sage was just a medium to pass onto the knowledge from Juubi to the Humans.

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What Madara said here. People were cursed and destiend to hate each other even more.
Obviously, the one who ate the fruit and got the holy Goddess place was the princess. And there were other kingdoms who then struggled to get their hands on the power from the tree. A competition between the humans started. That's how people started hating each other and resulted in the Shinobis.

That is why God Tree is taking its chakra back, in short, have a grudge against the humans who got interest in the tree's chakra.

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But the chakra now the Shinobis have inside them (not the Bijuus' chakra) is purely human's chakra. Juubi has nothing to do with it. So even before Juubi, the chakra was present in every being but in a deactivated state. Sage's teaching (knowledge) was responsible for the activation of chakra inside them.
I made this theory in order to make a difference between the people who thinks that chakra never existed before the Sage. But it existed even before the Sage.

 

[davidou]

Here is Kishi's explanation about chakra:Manga 17 , page 17.

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But it is Sakura's school book , and that is what was told to them in class , is that the real truth?

 

[-ahhimane-]

Here is Kishi's explanation about chakra:Manga 17 , page 17.

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But it is Sakura's school book , and that is what was told to them in class , is that the real truth?

That's how the series has been continuing till now.
Now, do you think Kishi will make the whole build up of the story up side down by giving the Credit of CHAKRA to the Juubi?
What I think is that, Kishi is giving the CREDIT TO JUUBI AND THE SAGE FOR THE CONCEPT OF CHAKRA.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

I made a theory on the basis on chapter 646, but didn't got much response due to the title. Let me tell you the main thing.

Basically, he didn't get enough rep and is trying again.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Basically, he didn't get enough rep and is trying again.

SO now you're getting into this?
I can say that since you got negative replies from your thread. But i don't have time to play around with you and your tiny brain. U_U

I have repped you for cracking a joke here. Have your candy and stay out.

 

[davidou]

Now, do you think Kishi will make the whole build up of the story up side down by giving the Credit of CHAKRA to the Juubi?

Simply , no.
I would be happy to give the credit of chakra to every living thing that lived on earth( cells + experience ).

What I think is that, Kishi is giving the CREDIT TO JUUBI AND THE SAGE FOR THE CONCEPT OF CHAKRA.

It has something to do with them , but I don't think a tree can appear from day to day with divine power in nothingness.Is Kishimoto adept of the Creation?
I don't like the idea that the tree is the "big-bang" of Narutoverse.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Simply , no.
I would be happy to give the credit of chakra to every living thing that lived on earth( cells + experience ).




It has something to do with them , but I don't think a tree can appear from day to day with divine power in nothingness.
I don't like the idea that the tree is the "big-bang of Narutoverse world.

That is what I am trying here to tell the people who were having a doubt about everyone's existence and making theories on Sage being the ancestor for sharing his chakra to every human/Shinobi living still now.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Again, I just want to re-assert this point; it is literally impossible that within a 1000 year time span, people could develop an over-reliance on an outside stimuli (chakra) to the point where losing their reserves causes immediate death.

You know what else is impossible. Almost everything in Naruto.

 

[davidou]

Don't tell people hypothesis like it is the truth, they won't like it.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Don't get so arrogant with the post. I asked you normally.
Let me explain what I think.
Before the bold part in first paragraph is same what I believe.
Now at the bold thing.
The instruction given not to lay a finger on the fruit was purely instructed by the HUMANS who worshiped the Tree because they believed it as a God Pillar. Since even the warriors pray for the god, they won't lay hand on the tree's fruit. The clear reason behind it is still uncovered.

Next bold in second Paragraph
Kaguya ate the fruit to stop the war. And in a way she stopped it for the time being.


I agree on this.
But the humans believed it as a God.
Since Kaguya managed to stop the war, people started worshiping her. WHY?(for us) because she gained Juubi's chakra.

But Kishi said through his databooks that Chakra can be molded by physical and spiritual energies.

Don't you think that is also applicable to Kaguya. WIth the Juubi's chakra, she managed to awaken her own chakra. Since she had the Juubi's chakra, Sage born with the chakra.

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Now this can also be taken as, that Sage got a strong chakra nature from his birth already activated but don't have Juubi's chakra OR Sage got Juubi's chakra as well as got his own chakra activated from the birth.
Juubi then got mad at KAGUYA but NOT AT THE SAGE for stealing its chakra.
Sage then managed to seal the Juubi and that is how he got the Juubi's chakra.
Sage studied the chakra inside himself and then taught the humans how to mold chakra inside their own body but not sharing his own chakra with others.
That is how the chakra came into existence through Sage. The fruit, Kaguya and the Sage was just a medium to pass onto the knowledge from Juubi to the Humans.

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What Madara said here. People were cursed and destiend to hate each other even more.
Obviously, the one who ate the fruit and got the holy Goddess place was the princess. And there were other kingdoms who then struggled to get their hands on the power from the tree. A competition between the humans started. That's how people started hating each other and resulted in the Shinobis.

That is why God Tree is taking its chakra back, in short, have a grudge against the humans who got interest in the tree's chakra.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________

But the chakra now the Shinobis have inside them (not the Bijuus' chakra) is purely human's chakra. Juubi has nothing to do with it. So even before Juubi, the chakra was present in every being but in a deactivated state. Sage's teaching (knowledge) was responsible for the activation of chakra inside them.
I made this theory in order to make a difference between the people who thinks that chakra never existed before the Sage. But it existed even before the Sage.

But here's the question, why and how could humans already have possessed chakra in the first place prior to the princess eating the fruit? I guess this stems from the fact that all beings possess chi, or the spiritual energy that flows through all things in the universe... THIS is the ONLY explanation that I would accept and nothing else.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Asif you guys are still going.

Ok.

Manga fact number one. No one had chakra before Princess.
Manga fact number two. The sage was the first person to be born with chakra.
Manga fact number three. Juubito said all chakra here belongs to it, not just the Kyuubi's or Hachibi's.
Manga fact number four. Shinju attacked everyone who was in range, with special emphasis on those with large chakra reserves.
Manga fact number five. Only two people have successfully stolen chakra from the Shinju. The princess, when she at the fruit and the Sage when he became Jinchuriki of the Juubi.

Now if your theory doesn't fit in with those 5 facts from this weeks manga, then the people who have been trying to debunk this thread are correct, if not, OP has a plausible theory.

From what I can see, your theory doesn't fit in with any of these manga facts and is therefore debunked.