[Theory] JUUBI's CHAKRA AND HUMAN's CHAKRA

[From the Dark Spire]

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How much chakra you think does a fodder shinobi has compared to Kyuubi cloak on them?
Answer this and you'll get your answer why the Tree sucked the Shinobis' chakra too.

Also Sakura was attacked too but Katsuyu wasn't. Please spread some light on this then U_U

Katsuyu is probably from Shikkostuton, or whatever it's called, the sage land of slugs.. This is only an assumption, so we don't have to focus on this point really, but that's my call on it. Fodder shinobi's chakra compared to a bijuu's? Madara's susanoo chakra was absorbed by the tree, and he's NO fodder at all, infact almost godly with chakra, Naruto was reverted ALL the way back to base form, looking like he was going to pass out, and it's been said plenty of times how he has enormous chakra as it is, cause of the fact he's an uzumaki? Should I explain Sakura? And how he she has EXCELLENT chakra control? So I don't see your point about a fodder's chakra being compared to kyuubi's chakra?

Motherfuccker compare Madara's Susanoo, Naruto's chakra, and Sakura's chakra to the kyuubi's chakra if you want to compare. Like I said before, the god tree is targeting what WAS HIS FROM THE BEGINNING! That means not only the kyuubi's and hachibi's chakra, but everyone else's as well.. This is the fuccking god tree, EVERYBODY'S chakra is his chakra.

again this proves you're not analyzing the chapter, Madara flips and Balanced himself on his war fan with his hand to dodge the tree from sucking him, how many times do this have to be preached?



Hashirama in the top further right part of the panel, is NOT attacked by hashirama but side stepping, Lol why?? because they are dodging it from being sucked

He's just like a female, can't tell him sh*t. Thinks he's right and won't listen to reason or facts, I'm done with his ass.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Completely agreed. People don't understand the concept of adaptation. People die when they lose all their chakra. Going by the manga logic, it being roughly 1000 years since Kaguya ate the fruit, it is literally impossible for the entire Shinobi world to have gone through evolution on such a scale to depend on chakra to live and without it, they die. It seems much more plausible that eating the fruit gave Kaguya the ability to use chakra as a "dormant gene" type complex. Rikudou was able to divine chakra and then teach people about it and how they are able to use it.

That is what I wanted to say.
Only Hashirama is the living being who still has the Sage's ability, that is Mokuton. I say this, because only Mokuton is the ability that can suppress a bijuu's chakra, in short, Juubi's chakra.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Is this what you got from the chapter?
A princess "stole" the chakra from the Tree? When she not even knew that it would give her chakra.
She ate the fruit because the tree was worshiped as a GOD and that's why she ate the fruit in order to stop the war. At least read once what you're typing U_U

So anyway like I said before, in the eye of the god tree, IT GOT MAD AT HER FOR "STEALING" ITS CHAKRA.

I understand everything about manga, so I know what I'm talking about, I don't need your pathetic rhetoric suggestions. She thought at the time she was worthy of the fruit since like you said it was worshipped as a god, that still doesn't mean she didn't steal the fruit. It was SPECIFIALLY INSTRUCTED in the first place that man is to NOT lay a finger on the FORBIDDEN FRUIT! Why do you think they're in the predicament they are now. If the princess was worthy, the God Tree would never have become the juubi, get ANGRY and try to take back the chakra which was his from the beginning.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Katsuyu is probably from Shikkostuton, or whatever it's called, the sage land of slugs.. This is only an assumption, so we don't have to focus on this point really, but that's my call on it. Fodder shinobi's chakra compared to a bijuu's? Madara's susanoo chakra was absorbed by the tree, and he's NO fodder at all, infact almost godly with chakra, Naruto was reverted ALL the way back to base form, looking like he was going to pass out, and it's been said plenty of times how he has enormous chakra as it is, cause of the fact he's an uzumaki? Should I explain Sakura? And how he she has EXCELLENT chakra control? So I don't see your point about a fodder's chakra being compared to kyuubi's chakra?

Motherfuccker compare Madara's Susanoo, Naruto's chakra, and Sakura's chakra to the kyuubi's chakra if you want to compare. Like I said before, the god tree is targeting what WAS HIS FROM THE BEGINNING! That means not only the kyuubi's and hachibi's chakra, but everyone else's as well.. This is the fuccking god tree, EVERYBODY'S chakra is his chakra.


He's just like a female, can't tell him sh*t. Thinks he's right and won't listen to reason or facts, I'm done with his ass.

ok bro, I have more patience with threads like this and members like him :I I am enjoying this debate really, his thread has already been debunked and he is still defending it, Nice one female refrence, for sure, like a female, like self-righteous goody two shoe

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

I made a theory on the basis on chapter 646, but didn't got much response due to the title. Let me tell you the main thing.

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From chapter 646,
DID you noticed something?
In the range of the growing tree, only those who were having the Kyuubi's chakra as well as Killer Bee with Hachibi's chakra are being targeted. Minato saved himself but couldn't save Naruto. Tobirama was standing there but wasn't attacked by the branches. Madara's susano'o aura came in contact with the tree but the tree didn't targeted Madara in particular. But the tree was clearly targeting Hashirama because of his Mokuton chakra while Madara was keeping constant space between Hashirama and himself. Killer Bee was fighting against the chakra sucking tree with a chakra sucking weapon, Samehada.
Just as Madara said in page 05, Juubi's taking back what was its from the start. As well as Hashirama's chakra, the only shinobi gifted to tame the Bijuus' chakra with his Mokuton.


What I think is, that the last chapter only gave information about the origin of the concept of Chakra in "Human World" through Sage.

After the last chapter, people started making theories/doubts about/on the existence of the whole world without chakra before the Sage.
If the surfaced doubt really proves to be true then the whole build up of the story which Kishi started from chapter One is totally wasted.


I don't have any source to the Databooks of Naaruto where Kishi defined Chakra. But I think, Naruto wiki refers those Databooks. And according to them, chakra is defined as

Chakra (チャクラ, chakura) is essential to even the most basic technique; it is the moulding of the physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī) gained from exercise and experience.

Physical + Spiritual energies = Chakra
What I wanted to say is that Kishi started directly with the jutsus by molding chakra. But he also had to define chakra first, didn't he?
He gave an acceptable explanation about chakra. And that was true how the story progressed further. for eg. Naruto was out of chakra (his own) when he was totally beaten by Gaara in Part 1, but then he used Kyuubi's chakra.
People had chakra levels depending on their physical strength and capabilities. Even in War, Naruto, Kakashi, Gai hold their grounds as long as they were having chakra but still they fought back to some more amount because of their spiritual strength (will) and physical strength. There were no one to provide them chakra at that time.

Why will Kishi ruin all this at this moment by saying all the chakra belonged to Juubi?
What was passed down from Sage to the Human world was the "concept of chakra" and not "Chakra". There is a difference in those two things.
But there were people who stole chakra from the tree directly. And also there were people who developed their own chakra after getting the knowledge about it.
Before Sage, humans were already indulged in physical fights like War with bows and arrows, spears, war animals etc. But after the knowledge of Ninjutsu and chakra, people used jutsus which were more effecting than the standard weapons they used to use previously. That's why Madara blames the "SHINOBI".

Afterwards there were many progress in the chakra manipulation things and mixing more than one chakra elements together. These are not obtained from the God Tree but instead it was the fruit of the Human Research.

In the current Shinobi World, those who wanted to become the Shinobi, learned how to mold chakra through teachings from the elder Shinobis. It is not like they were injected with something or got chakra from their parents.

Sage's case was different. He got the chakra from his mother. He didn't had to train or something to develop the chakra inside him.

From this chapter, I believed that Kishi wanted to answer our question which we might have asked ourselves, " We saw how shinobis develop chakra, but from where did they got the knowledge about this chakra thing? " and Kishi just answered it, that is, the Sage taught the other humans about the concept of chakra.
Just like how we learn to read and write. It's not like we born with those knowledge. We learn from the experience and the experienced.

Everyone within range of the tree was attacked. The only people out of range were Juugo and Sasuke, they are the only ones who wern't attacked.

At underline. Manga states all chakra originated with the Shinju, and the Sage was the first to be born with it. Meaning nobody else had chakra apart from his mom, who got it from the fruit.

At blue. I kind of agree, this new information kind of go against what we've been told, however there are still ways to make it work. I also doubt Kishi is going to leave us in the dark about this; he will give us the explanation in the upcoming chapters. However just because the new manga facts make it difficult to comprehend Chakra, doesn't mean you can deny manga fact. Also only 2 humans have stole chakra from the tree - the princess when she ate the fruit, and the Sage when he became Jinchuriki of the Juubi.

Last 4 parts I agree with. Emphasis on the fact that the Sage taught humans how to use chakra, not gave them chakra.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Completely agreed. People don't understand the concept of adaptation. People die when they lose all their chakra. Going by the manga logic, it being roughly 1000 years since Kaguya ate the fruit, it is literally impossible for the entire Shinobi world to have gone through evolution on such a scale to depend on chakra to live and without it, they die. It seems much more plausible that eating the fruit gave Kaguya the ability to use chakra as a "dormant gene" type complex. Rikudou was able to divine chakra and then teach people about it and how they are able to use it.

Like I said to the other guy, because you're wrong as well and you're wrong for agreeing with him, the god tree got mad at the holy princess for STEALING its chakra. There's a reason why the fruit was FORBIDDEN. Now I completely understand what you're trying to say, how chakra was always presently dormant within everybody. I understand what AHHIMANE is trying to say as well, but I'm intentionally refuting everything the both of you are saying, because I know what I'm talking about, and the god tree is laying punishement upon the shinobi world by taking back what was his from the get go.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Madara dodged the branch, with his fan, which was attacking from the front. The same branch which attacked Hashirama from the back.
Hashirama is talking with Madara, who is infront of Hasihrama. Hashirama is at top in the next panel, that means he dodged the branch. The branch was trying to ground everyone it attacked and that's where Madara was standing.

and why did madara and hashi dodge the branches?? why was the branches attacking hashi and maddy?? because the tree is interested in their chakra and wants to suck it,

/thread

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Completely agreed. People don't understand the concept of adaptation. People die when they lose all their chakra. Going by the manga logic, it being roughly 1000 years since Kaguya ate the fruit, it is literally impossible for the entire Shinobi world to have gone through evolution on such a scale to depend on chakra to live and without it, they die. It seems much more plausible that eating the fruit gave Kaguya the ability to use chakra as a "dormant gene" type complex. Rikudou was able to divine chakra and then teach people about it and how they are able to use it.

You can't say that, maybe chakra sped up the evolution, maybe as soon as chakra is introduced into a human, it forces development of the chakra circulatory system. We don't know how evolution works in NV because it's kishi's story.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Katsuyu is probably from Shikkostuton, or whatever it's called, the sage land of slugs.. This is only an assumption, so we don't have to focus on this point really, but that's my call on it. Fodder shinobi's chakra compared to a bijuu's? Madara's susanoo chakra was absorbed by the tree, and he's NO fodder at all, infact almost godly with chakra, Naruto was reverted ALL the way back to base form, looking like he was going to pass out, and it's been said plenty of times how he has enormous chakra as it is, cause of the fact he's an uzumaki? Should I explain Sakura? And how he she has EXCELLENT chakra control? So I don't see your point about a fodder's chakra being compared to kyuubi's chakra?

Motherfuccker compare Madara's Susanoo, Naruto's chakra, and Sakura's chakra to the kyuubi's chakra if you want to compare. Like I said before, the god tree is targeting what WAS HIS FROM THE BEGINNING! That means not only the kyuubi's and hachibi's chakra, but everyone else's as well.. This is the fuccking god tree, EVERYBODY'S chakra is his chakra.


He's just like a female, can't tell him sh*t. Thinks he's right and won't listen to reason or facts, I'm done with his ass.

I think you didn't get the point what I wanted to say to you.
Shinobi's chakra was combined with the Kyuubi's chakra cloak. ( I'm going with that human developed their chakra)
SO Juubi tried to take the Kyuubi chakra from the shinobis. In that incident, Juubi also took the shinobis chakra. That's how I told you to compare the volume of chakra of Shinobi's and the Kyuubi's separately.
Juubi tried to take its own(Kyuubi's) chakra back. But Shinobis' chakra also got sucked just like Madara's susano'o got sucked.
Madara was standing still under the branch who sucked his Susano'o.

When you can't argue properly, you know how to use a woman's weapon. You're not even a man to argue with more. Get lost from this thread.

 

[-ahhimane-]

and why did madara and hashi dodge the branches?? why was the branches attacking hashi and maddy?? because the tree is interested in their chakra and wants to suck it,

/thread

You're losing your way bro. The branches were attacking Hashi but Madara was discussing the Sage's story and that's how he also had to dodge. You clearly remember, don't you? the one who wanted to fight Hashirama was Madara and not the vice versa.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

ok bro, I have more patience with threads like this and members like him :I I am enjoying this debate really, his thread has already been debunked and he is still defending it, Nice one female refrence, for sure, like a female, like self-righteous goody two shoe

Yeah, and you know what I lied.. I'm not going anywhere, not until I get my point across to him, he's challenging my intelligence, so now he has to see the master.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Everyone within range of the tree was attacked. The only people out of range were Juugo and Sasuke, they are the only ones who wern't attacked.

At underline. Manga states all chakra originated with the Shinju, and the Sage was the first to be born with it. Meaning nobody else had chakra apart from his mom, who got it from the fruit.

At blue. I kind of agree, this new information kind of go against what we've been told, however there are still ways to make it work. I also doubt Kishi is going to leave us in the dark about this; he will give us the explanation in the upcoming chapters. However just because the new manga facts make it difficult to comprehend Chakra, doesn't mean you can deny manga fact. Also only 2 humans have stole chakra from the tree - the princess when she ate the fruit, and the Sage when he became Jinchuriki of the Juubi.

Last 4 parts I agree with. Emphasis on the fact that the Sage taught humans how to use chakra, not gave them chakra.

I'm not going against the manga facts. Instead just losing the knots which Kishi presented in chapter 646.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

I think you didn't get the point what I wanted to say to you.
Shinobi's chakra was combined with the Kyuubi's chakra cloak. ( I'm going with that human developed their chakra)
SO Juubi tried to take the Kyuubi chakra from the shinobis. In that incident, Juubi also took the shinobis chakra. That's how I told you to compare the volume of chakra of Shinobi's and the Kyuubi's separately.
Juubi tried to take its own(Kyuubi's) chakra back. But Shinobis' chakra also got sucked just like Madara's susano'o got sucked.
Madara was standing still under the branch who sucked his Susano'o.

When you can't argue properly, you know how to use a woman's weapon. You're not even a man to argue with more. Get lost from this thread.

Because this is speculative to the point of its only plausible because there is no evidence against it, it can be easily countered by saying something like "Well thats the Shinju, progenitor of all chakra, most powerful thing in NV, it should be able to tell the difference between Kyuubi and normal chakra.

Also I think your going about this the wrong way. Obito was most likely still in control of where the branches grew as when he decided that was enough, the tree stopped. I doubt the tree was acting of it's own accord.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Yeah, and you know what I lied.. I'm not going anywhere, not until I get my point across to him, he's challenging my intelligence, so now he has to see the master.

Master my a**.
You'll have to remain on this thread until and unless you don't use your common sense which you locked in you brain when you started reading this manga. I'll definitely look into it as long as I'm online.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

I think you didn't get the point what I wanted to say to you.
Shinobi's chakra was combined with the Kyuubi's chakra cloak. ( I'm going with that human developed their chakra)
SO Juubi tried to take the Kyuubi chakra from the shinobis. In that incident, Juubi also took the shinobis chakra. That's how I told you to compare the volume of chakra of Shinobi's and the Kyuubi's separately.
Juubi tried to take its own(Kyuubi's) chakra back. But Shinobis' chakra also got sucked just like Madara's susano'o got sucked.
Madara was standing still under the branch who sucked his Susano'o.

When you can't argue properly, you know how to use a woman's weapon. You're not even a man to argue with more. Get lost from this thread.

Oh ok, you were only trying to point out that the kyuubi's chakra and shinobi's chakra emerged so to speak and the fact that chakra was dormant inside of shinobi the entire time, I see what you're saying.

But um, oh yea like I said before, you can't deny the truth of the manga. Chakra originally stemmed from the god tree. One day it produced a fruit that bears once a millineum. the princess ate the fruit, causing the tree to get angry and turn into the juubi, and so the god tree is trying to take back chakra, which was his in the beginning. That means that not only the kyuubi and hachibi's chakra is targeted, but everybody else's too. This will only prove it further once Orochimaru and the kages get there and they too will be attacked by the god tree.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

You're losing your way bro. The branches were attacking Hashi but Madara was discussing the Sage's story and that's how he also had to dodge. You clearly remember, don't you? the one who wanted to fight Hashirama was Madara and not the vice versa.

maddy did NOT want to fight hashi in that Panel, he was dodging and telling story time

Look, i love and respect everybody, I love reading and discussing threads, but jeez if you cant take a flaw in your theory and defend it after being debunked and proved wrong, dont make threads.

like thats a standard people should have... when you make a theory, know the limit when you are wrong, dont constantly defend it till it makes no sense what you're saying anymore

 

[From the Dark Spire]

You're losing your way bro. The branches were attacking Hashi but Madara was discussing the Sage's story and that's how he also had to dodge. You clearly remember, don't you? the one who wanted to fight Hashirama was Madara and not the vice versa.

He dodged, because he was telling a story? That makes a lot of sense now. The god tree sensed Madara was telling a story, so it told its branch brothers and sisters not to attack Madara, specifically, because he was telling a story. So now that THAT'S explained, how do you explain Hiruzen getting attacked by the tree when he was clearly fighting off the branches with his enma staff?

 

[-ahhimane-]

Because this is speculative to the point of its only plausible because there is no evidence against it, it can be easily countered by saying something like "Well thats the Shinju, progenitor of all chakra, most powerful thing in NV, it should be able to tell the difference between Kyuubi and normal chakra.

Also I think your going about this the wrong way. Obito was most likely still in control of where the branches grew as when he decided that was enough, the tree stopped. I doubt the tree was acting of it's own accord.

Like I said, its a theory I made after going through the chapter. I don't think Kishi will just lose to this point of manga by saying "all the chakra belongs to Juubi". This sentence could be applicable when it was the Sage's era, not now.
Human developed their own chakra by learning how to do it. That's not Juubi's cookie now. What remains is the Bijuus' chakra and Hashirama's chakra.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Master my a**.
You'll have to remain on this thread until and unless you don't use your common sense which you locked in you brain when you started reading this manga. I'll definitely look into it as long as I'm online.

Sure thing, and while this happens, I will use your thread to further refute your logical sense of analyzing by disagreeing with me, me who knows what I'm talking about.

 

[-ahhimane-]

He dodged, because he was telling a story? That makes a lot of sense now. The god tree sensed Madara was telling a story, so it told its branch brothers and sisters not to attack Madara, specifically, because he was telling a story. So now that THAT'S explained, how do you explain Hiruzen getting attacked by the tree when he was clearly fighting off the branches with his enma staff?

LOL at your thinking XD

Hiruzen was saving Naruto. Naruto was covered with branches. Hiruzen was nowhere attacked by the branches. He used Enma to break those branches.

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