[Theory] JUUBI's CHAKRA AND HUMAN's CHAKRA

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I made a theory on the basis on chapter 646, but didn't got much response due to the title. Let me tell you the main thing.

From chapter 646,
DID you noticed something?
In the range of the growing tree, only those who were having the Kyuubi's chakra as well as Killer Bee with Hachibi's chakra are being targeted. Minato saved himself but couldn't save Naruto. Tobirama was standing there but wasn't attacked by the branches. Madara's susano'o aura came in contact with the tree but the tree didn't targeted Madara in particular. But the tree was clearly targeting Hashirama because of his Mokuton chakra while Madara was keeping constant space between Hashirama and himself. Killer Bee was fighting against the chakra sucking tree with a chakra sucking weapon, Samehada.
Just as Madara said in page 05, Juubi's taking back what was its from the start. As well as Hashirama's chakra, the only shinobi gifted to tame the Bijuus' chakra with his Mokuton.


What I think is, that the last chapter only gave information about the origin of the concept of Chakra in "Human World" through Sage.


After the last chapter, people started making theories/doubts about/on the existence of the whole world without chakra before the Sage.
If the surfaced doubt really proves to be true then the whole build up of the story which Kishi started from chapter One is totally wasted.


I don't have any source to the Databooks of Naaruto where Kishi defined Chakra. But I think, Naruto wiki refers those Databooks. And according to them, chakra is defined as

Chakra (チャクラ, chakura) is essential to even the most basic technique; it is the moulding of the physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī) gained from exercise and experience.


Physical + Spiritual energies = Chakra


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What I wanted to say is that Kishi started directly with the jutsus by molding chakra. But he also had to define chakra first, didn't he?
He gave an acceptable explanation about chakra. And that was true how the story progressed further. for eg. Naruto was out of chakra (his own) when he was totally beaten by Gaara in Part 1, but then he used Kyuubi's chakra.
People had chakra levels depending on their physical strength and capabilities. Even in War, Naruto, Kakashi, Gai hold their grounds as long as they were having chakra but still they fought back to some more amount because of their spiritual strength (will) and physical strength. There were no one to provide them chakra at that time.

Why will Kishi ruin all this at this moment by saying all the chakra belonged to Juubi?
What was passed down from Sage to the Human world was the "concept of chakra" and not "Chakra". There is a difference in those two things.
But there were people who stole chakra from the tree directly. And also there were people who developed their own chakra after getting the knowledge about it.
Before Sage, humans were already indulged in physical fights like War with bows and arrows, spears, war animals etc. But after the knowledge of Ninjutsu and chakra, people used jutsus which were more effecting than the standard weapons they used to use previously. That's why Madara blames the "SHINOBI".

Afterwards there were many progress in the chakra manipulation things and mixing more than one chakra elements together. These are not obtained from the God Tree but instead it was the fruit of the Human Research.

In the current Shinobi World, those who wanted to become the Shinobi, learned how to mold chakra through teachings from the elder Shinobis. It is not like they were injected with something or got chakra from their parents.

Sage's case was different. He got the chakra from his mother. He didn't had to train or something to develop the chakra inside him.

From this chapter, I believed that Kishi wanted to answer our question which we might have asked ourselves, " We saw how shinobis develop chakra, but from where did they got the knowledge about this chakra thing? " and Kishi just answered it, that is, the Sage taught the other humans about the concept of chakra.
Just like how we learn to read and write. It's not like we born with those knowledge. We learn from the experience and the experienced.
 
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I made a theory on the basis on chapter 646, but didn't got much response due to the title. Let me tell you the main thing.

From chapter 646,
DID you noticed something?
In the range of the growing tree, only those who were having the Kyuubi's chakra as well as Killer Bee with Hachibi's chakra are being targeted. Minato saved himself but couldn't save Naruto. Tobirama was standing there but wasn't attacked by the branches. Madara's susano'o aura came in contact with the tree but the tree didn't targeted Madara in particular. But the tree was clearly targeting Hashirama because of his Mokuton chakra while Madara was keeping constant space between Hashirama and himself. Killer Bee was fighting against the chakra sucking tree with a chakra sucking weapon, Samehada.
Just as Madara said in page 05, Juubi's taking back what was its from the start. As well as Hashirama's chakra, the only shinobi gifted to tame the Bijuus' chakra with his Mokuton.


What I think is, that the last chapter only gave information about the origin of the concept of Chakra in "Human World" through Sage.


After the last chapter, people started making theories/doubts about/on the existence of the whole world without chakra before the Sage.
If the surfaced doubt really proves to be true then the whole build up of the story which Kishi started from chapter One is totally wasted.


I don't have any source to the Databooks of Naaruto where Kishi defined Chakra. But I think, Naruto wiki refers those Databooks. And according to them, chakra is defined as

Chakra (チャクラ, chakura) is essential to even the most basic technique; it is the moulding of the physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī) gained from exercise and experience.


Physical + Spiritual energies = Chakra

What I wanted to say is that Kishi started directly with the jutsus by molding chakra. But he also had to define chakra first, didn't he?
He gave an acceptable explanation about chakra. And that was true how the story progressed further. for eg. Naruto was out of chakra (his own) when he was totally beaten by Gaara in Part 1, but then he used Kyuubi's chakra.
People had chakra levels depending on their physical strength and capabilities. Even in War, Naruto, Kakashi, Gai hold their grounds as long as they were having chakra but still they fought back to some more amount because of their spiritual strength (will) and physical strength. There were no one to provide them chakra at that time.

Why will Kishi ruin all this at this moment by saying all the chakra belonged to Juubi?
What was passed down from Sage to the Human world was the "concept of chakra" and not "Chakra". There is a difference in those two things.
But there were people who stole chakra from the tree directly. And also there were people who developed their own chakra after getting the knowledge about it.
Before Sage, humans were already indulged in physical fights like War with bows and arrows, spears, war animals etc. But after the knowledge of Ninjutsu and chakra, people used jutsus which were more effecting than the standard weapons they used to use previously. That's why Madara blames the "SHINOBI".

Afterwards there were many progress in the chakra manipulation things and mixing more than one chakra elements together. These are not obtained from the God Tree but instead it was the fruit of the Human Research.

In the current Shinobi World, those who wanted to become the Shinobi, learned how to mold chakra through teachings from the elder Shinobis. It is not like they were injected with something or got chakra from their parents.

Sage's case was different. He got the chakra from his mother. He didn't had to train or something to develop the chakra inside him.

From this chapter, I believed that Kishi wanted to answer our question which we might have asked ourselves, " We saw how shinobis develop chakra, but from where did they got the knowledge about this chakra thing? " and Kishi just answered it, that is, the Sage taught the other humans about the concept of chakra.
Just like how we learn to read and write. It's not like we born with those knowledge. We learn from the experience and the experienced.

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read the MANGA BEFORE MAKING THREADS. Madara states all the chakra here even yours, that means Tree is going AFTER EVERYBODY look, middle right. MADARA AND HASHIRAMA ARE DODGING

AND BOTTOM LEFT, THE SUSANOO CHAKRA IS SUCKED
 

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read the MANGA BEFORE MAKING THREADS. Madara states all the chakra here even yours, that means Tree is going AFTER EVERYBODY look, middle right. MADARA AND HASHIRAMA ARE DODGING

AND BOTTOM LEFT, THE SUSANOO CHAKRA IS SUCKED

Then you need to read my previous thread U_U

EDIT : Madara stated "Even yours" and not "Even ours". Got the difference?
 
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Then you need to read my previous thread U_U

i DID, and it seems you did not watch the bottom left of the panel, where Madara susanoo chakra is sucked by the tree, read the manga properly before making theories and threads like this

EDIT, Lol madara chakra was sucked by the tree, when he said yours he meant hashirama chakra, Madara said ALL THE CHAKRA HERE, which means our chakra as well

all + all = all, I advise you analyze the manga properly
 
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i DID, and it seems you did not watch the bottom left of the panel, where Madara susanoo chakra is sucked by the tree, read the manga properly before making theories and threads like this

Madara's susano'o came in contact with the tree and that's why got sucked.
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Madara stated "Even yours" and not "Even ours". Got the difference?
And please don't comment before reading a theory when you only read the manga without actually analyzing the drawings U_U
 

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Madara's susano'o came in contact with the tree and that's why got sucked.
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And please don't comment before reading a theory when you only read the manga without actually analyzing the drawings U_U

good take your own advice

right, so how s the tree not interested?? if it were not interested, it would NOT suck the chakra, I hear some folks saying sakura is not effected when the manga showed sakura is being sucked
 

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read the MANGA BEFORE MAKING THREADS. Madara states all the chakra here even yours, that means Tree is going AFTER EVERYBODY look, middle right. MADARA AND HASHIRAMA ARE DODGING

AND BOTTOM LEFT, THE SUSANOO CHAKRA IS SUCKED
Right this.. I didn't really understand his thread after he explained what Chakra was. What he was saying still didn't explain where chakra came from in the beginning. I always knew there was a source.
 

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i DID, and it seems you did not watch the bottom left of the panel, where Madara susanoo chakra is sucked by the tree, read the manga properly before making theories and threads like this

EDIT, Lol madara chakra was sucked by the tree, when he said yours he meant hashirama chakra, Madara said ALL THE CHAKRA HERE, which means our chakra as well

all + all = all, I advise you analyze the manga properly

The "all the chakra" was Kyuubi's and Hachibi's chakra (in the tree's range). Shinobis were cloaked with Kyuubi's chakra and that's why their chakra also got sucked.

I made this theory after analyzing the manga chapter. Since there were people started making theories on " Sage passed his chakra to everyone" That would be a shittiest theory ever I would believe at this point of the story.
 

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Madara's susano'o came in contact with the tree and that's why got sucked.
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And please don't comment before reading a theory when you only read the manga without actually analyzing the drawings U_U
You cannot deny the manga. You're contradicting what Kishi is saying. Kishi, through Madara, is saying chakra originally came from the god tree. It's targeting everybody. And you even just said, Madara's Susanoo got sucked cause it came into contact with the tree. EXACTLY, it's trying to take the chakra from him. Yes it tried to take Minato and Tobirama's and even Hiruzen's. Minato and Tobirama dodged them, Hiruzen used the enma staff to break away branches.

It's just Sasuke and Juugo were'nt in the vicinity of the tree to get they're chakra sucked away, but once Sasuke tries to do something, the tree with be after him too. Your entire thread is just wrong.
 

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Right this.. I didn't really understand his thread after he explained what Chakra was. What he was saying still didn't explain where chakra came from in the beginning. I always knew there was a source.

Where chakra came from in the beginning?
The chakra was always a part of everyone. The only thing was, the human never knew how to create chakra. Chapter 646 explained "From where the concept of chakra came?". Sage was the one to spread the knowledge of chakra (instead of spreading his own chakra)
 

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The "all the chakra" was Kyuubi's and Hachibi's chakra (in the tree's range). Shinobis were cloaked with Kyuubi's chakra and that's why their chakra also got sucked.

I made this theory after analyzing the manga chapter. Since there were people started making theories on " Sage passed his chakra to everyone" That would be a shittiest theory ever I would believe at this point of the story.

Lol you need to stop justifying your theory after being proven wrong, the manga panel, bottom left, showen madara susanoo chakra sucked by the tree, Madara said ALL THE CHAKRA HERE, EVEN YOURS, and you still defend it,

Again if the tree was not interested, it would have sucked only kyuubi and hacibi and NOT go after madara and Hashirama, that's pretty logical and reasonable, if something is not interested in you, it simply wont suck you,dont matter if the victim is near, it wont suck you

also where maddy and hashi is, NO ONE IS AROUND, again debunks this theory
 

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The "all the chakra" was Kyuubi's and Hachibi's chakra (in the tree's range). Shinobis were cloaked with Kyuubi's chakra and that's why their chakra also got sucked.

I made this theory after analyzing the manga chapter. Since there were people started making theories on " Sage passed his chakra to everyone" That would be a shittiest theory ever I would believe at this point of the story.
Few things wrong with this post is that for one, the kyuubi cloak was on EVERYBODY, and it's only a chakra cloak, tell me why is that if the god tree is ONLY after the kyuubi and hachibi's chakra, everybody dies after contact? They're all becoming Nagatos after each contact. It's painfully obvious the tree is after their own chakra as well. They wouldn't be reduced to a whithered state if the tree was only after the kyuubi and hachibi's chakra which sounds so redundanct and foolish. It senses chakra and is attacking everybody, INCLUDING Madara, Hiruzen, and everybody who doesn't have the kyuubi or hachibi chakra
 

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You cannot deny the manga. You're contradicting what Kishi is saying. Kishi, through Madara, is saying chakra originally came from the god tree. It's targeting everybody. And you even just said, Madara's Susanoo got sucked cause it came into contact with the tree. EXACTLY, it's trying to take the chakra from him. Yes it tried to take Minato and Tobirama's and even Hiruzen's. Minato and Tobirama dodged them, Hiruzen used the enma staff to break away branches.

It's just Sasuke and Juugo were'nt in the vicinity of the tree to get they're chakra sucked away, but once Sasuke tries to do something, the tree with be after him too. Your entire thread is just wrong.

Madara's susano'o got sucked but the tree didn't attacked him at that time. Madara was standing there. And in the next page, he dodged the branch which attacked Hashirama from the back.

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^^^^ There is a free branch to capture Madara. But it didn't attacked him.

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^^^^^ Madara dodged the branched coming from the front which attacked Hashirama.
 

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Where chakra came from in the beginning?
The chakra was always a part of everyone. The only thing was, the human never knew how to create chakra. Chapter 646 explained "From where the concept of chakra came?". Sage was the one to spread the knowledge of chakra (instead of spreading his own chakra)
Yes, and that's why the juubi/god tree is trying to get back all the chakra that was HIS in the first place? Kaguya stole chakra from him and bred a child with chakra, the god tree's chakra inside him, and that's how chakra came to be now. The senjus and uchihas are proof enough, simply with their resemblence to the sage and the juubi through doujutsus and such.
 

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Lol you need to stop justifying your theory after being proven wrong, the manga panel, bottom left, showen madara susanoo chakra sucked by the tree, Madara said ALL THE CHAKRA HERE, EVEN YOURS, and you still defend it,

Again if the tree was not interested, it would have sucked only kyuubi and hacibi and NOT go after madara and Hashirama, that's pretty logical and reasonable, if something is not interested in you, it simply wont suck you,dont matter if the victim is near, it wont suck you

also where maddy and hashi is, NO ONE IS AROUND, again debunks this theory
BTW, I don't need your + rep. You thought you can shut my trap with it? Take it back
Few things wrong with this post is that for one, the kyuubi cloak was on EVERYBODY, and it's only a chakra cloak, tell me why is that if the god tree is ONLY after the kyuubi and hachibi's chakra, everybody dies after contact? They're all becoming Nagatos after each contact. It's painfully obvious the tree is after their own chakra as well. They wouldn't be reduced to a whithered state if the tree was only after the kyuubi and hachibi's chakra which sounds so redundanct and foolish. It senses chakra and is attacking everybody, INCLUDING Madara, Hiruzen, and everybody who doesn't have the kyuubi or hachibi chakra

How much chakra you think does a fodder shinobi has compared to Kyuubi cloak on them?
Answer this and you'll get your answer why the Tree sucked the Shinobis' chakra too.

Also Sakura was attacked too but Katsuyu wasn't. Please spread some light on this then U_U
 

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Madara's susano'o got sucked but the tree didn't attacked him at that time. Madara was standing there. And in the next page, he dodged the branch which attacked Hashirama from the back.

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^^^^ There is a free branch to capture Madara. But it didn't attacked him.

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^^^^^ Madara dodged the branched coming from the front which attacked Hashirama.

again this proves you're not analyzing the chapter, Madara flips and Balanced himself on his war fan with his hand to dodge the tree from sucking him, how many times do this have to be preached?

which attacked Hashirama.

Hashirama in the top further right part of the panel, is NOT attacked by hashirama but side stepping, Lol why?? because they are dodging it from being sucked
 

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Yes, and that's why the juubi/god tree is trying to get back all the chakra that was HIS in the first place? Kaguya stole chakra from him and bred a child with chakra, the god tree's chakra inside him, and that's how chakra came to be now. The senjus and uchihas are proof enough, simply with their resemblence to the sage and the juubi through doujutsus and such.

Is this what you got from the chapter?
A princess "stole" the chakra from the Tree? When she not even knew that it would give her chakra.
She ate the fruit because the tree was worshiped as a GOD and that's why she ate the fruit in order to stop the war. At least read once what you're typing U_U
 

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BTW, I don't need your + rep. You thought you can shut my trap with it? Take it back

Lol I rep you because you corrected yourself

Madara's susano'o came in contact with the tree and that's why got sucked.
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again this proves you're not analyzing the chapter, Madara flips and Balanced himself on his war fan with his hand to dodge the tree from sucking him, how many times do this have to be preached?



Hashirama in the top further right part of the panel, is NOT attacked by hashirama but side stepping, Lol why?? because they are dodging it from being sucked

Madara dodged the branch, with his fan, which was attacking from the front. The same branch which attacked Hashirama from the back.
Hashirama is talking with Madara, who is infront of Hasihrama. Hashirama is at top in the next panel, that means he dodged the branch. The branch was trying to ground everyone it attacked and that's where Madara was standing.
 

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Completely agreed. People don't understand the concept of adaptation. People die when they lose all their chakra. Going by the manga logic, it being roughly 1000 years since Kaguya ate the fruit, it is literally impossible for the entire Shinobi world to have gone through evolution on such a scale to depend on chakra to live and without it, they die. It seems much more plausible that eating the fruit gave Kaguya the ability to use chakra as a "dormant gene" type complex. Rikudou was able to divine chakra and then teach people about it and how they are able to use it.
 
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