Jiraya's place in this manga is always forgotten for no reasons

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People always like to hype the likes of Hashirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Itachi or others, but always forget Jiraya's place in this manga. When we talk about his hype, some people always try to give excuses, but if we look closely, Jiraya was always portrayed as someone on Itachi's level if not stronger, but it seems that people don't read the manga well and start to underrate this guy. Just to make you remember Jiraya's place in this manga, i will show you some sentences coming from the people who faced him:

Kisame, someone considered here as a powerful Akatsuki member definite Jiraya as someone out of his league. Even Itachi says that if they faced off, they might end up killing each other, at the very least, they will hurt each other badly and that back up won't make a difference

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People gave the excuse that Itachi was lying. Why? Especially when Kisame is his partner since a long time, so he knows , but he still agreed with Itachi's statement by saying that Uchiha clan and seven swordsmen title is pale compared to him

Another thing that you should take into consideration is that Kishi purposely made these two(Jiraya and Itachi) die at the same time. Furthermore, he again purposely gave them the higher stats in the databook. People may say that stats doesn't count, but i don't believe Kishi made all that for nothing. I think he created that to show us a sort of equlity in their respective battle power. He even created a stupid excuse not to make Jiraya a Edo in Kabuto's army

Another praise concerning Jiraya is during his fight against Pain(Akatsuki leader, Rinnengan possessor). He said that if Jiraya knew his secret, he would have never won

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Again people create excuses by saying that Pain was not full power or something and that he was joking. Just to make you remember, during the fight against 6Paths of Pain, Jiraya was at a disadvantage because:

- He was in enemys territory, so knowing nothing about the location when Pain knew everything
- He was fighting an unknown enemy he never faced before holding the ultimate dojutsu
- His enemy on the contrary since it was his student, so they could use these datas concerning him to take some advantages in that battle

Eventhen, Jiraya defeated the 3Pains he was fighting before
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In order to reduce his power, Kishi purposely made Pain crush his hand when he let his guard down:
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Eventhen, he still fought the 6Paths of Pain together with this huge handicap
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And managed to defeat and capture one of them in his toad barrier:
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So the fact Pain says that Jiraya could have defeated him if he knew his secret isn't that far-fetched

Kakashi even wonders how Jiraya was able to handle 6Paths of Pain when he is already struggling against 2:
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Even Minato hyped his master by saying that he is a example that we should all follow and that he can't think of a finer shinobi than him
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Tsunade says that Hiruzen(God of Shinobi) always wanted him to be his successor, to be hokage, unfortunately Jiraya wasn't interested at all
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Jiraya hypes himself here by wondering if Suna even with all those preparations(preparing Anbus or others) could forcibly stop him:
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I'm sure i'm even forgetting some other hype, but this is all to show you how i believe Jiraya is probably one of the most underrated character here when the manga implies that he deserves to be considered as one of the strongest in this manga

By feats, he one shoted a Akatsuki member like Konan effortlessly
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By feats he almost captured both Itachi and Kisame only failing because Itachi was pushed to use Amaterasu to escape
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Wasn't Itachi and Kisame talking about Kurama when they said that they were scared?

Edit: I agree with you 100% though. Jiraiya is severely forgotton. He's definitely kage level.
 

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Hes not one of the legendary sannin for nothing
 

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Itachi and Kisame were referring to Kurama and not Jiraiya. Ha, you really think Jiraiya could take on Kisame and Itachi, with backup and win? Good one.​
 

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Wait a motherfckin second you said people always overrate minato ummm aren't you the one who overrated minato to another level lmao and you talking about people overrating characters -.-
 

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Itachi and Kisame were referring to Kurama and not Jiraiya. Ha, you really think Jiraiya could take on Kisame and Itachi, with backup and win? Good one.​

Oh Lighten up -Logic- :D
 

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The out of his league thing was about the Kyuubi I believe, but other than that great thread and I agree <3.
 

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Yess thank you ero sennin is my favorite character ty ty best thread ever >:eek:
 

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Jiraiya's my boy but...there are some things wrong with this thread. Firstly, Itachi & Kisame were, for the first half of the conversation, speaking about the Kyūbi within Naruto. I'm not really going to elaborate on this point because, for me, this is blatantly clear for anyone who can grasp the English language. Next, Pain said they probably couldn't have won (not that they would've down right lost) [ ], but that was merely to praise their teacher who's life they were about to take. Feats clearly show that Jiraiya was pushed by 3 realms in a fight where Tendo wasn't even used. Infact, Jiraiya even admitted that those 3 paths would eventually kill him, even when in Sennin Mode [ ].

"If I keep fighting like this...I'll be killed, even if I am in Sennin Mode. They're that strong.

Jiraiya is a bawse but don't be trying to place him above Pain.
 

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Wasn't Itachi and Kisame talking about Kurama when they said that they were scared?

Edit: I agree with you 100% though. Jiraiya is severely forgotton. He's definitely kage level.
No they were talking about Jiraya...
I am also with you in this Jiraya is aAge level,don't forget he was asked to be Hokage before Tsunade he just didn't accept
 

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Itachi and Kisame were referring to Kurama and not Jiraiya. Ha, you really think Jiraiya could take on Kisame and Itachi, with backup and win? Good one.​
Nothing shows they were talking about kurama. It's just because it's hard for you to imagine it that you create excuses concerning it
 

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Jiraiya's my boy but...there are some things wrong with this thread. Firstly, Itachi & Kisame were, for the first half of the conversation, speaking about the Kyūbi within Naruto. I'm not really going to elaborate on this point because, for me, this is blatantly clear for anyone who can grasp the English language. Next, Pain said they probably couldn't have won (not that they would've down right lost) [ ], but that was merely to praise their teacher who's life they were about to take. Feats clearly show that Jiraiya was pushed by 3 realms in a fight where Tendo wasn't even used. Infact, Jiraiya even admitted that those 3 paths would eventually kill him, even when in Sennin Mode [ ].

"If I keep fighting like this...I'll be killed, even if I am in Sennin Mode. They're that strong.

Jiraiya is a bawse but don't be trying to place him above Pain.

Eternal +Reps.​
 

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This thread is awesome +r e p
 

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Jiraiya's my boy but...there are some things wrong with this thread. Firstly, Itachi & Kisame were, for the first half of the conversation, speaking about the Kyūbi within Naruto. I'm not really going to elaborate on this point because, for me, this is blatantly clear for anyone who can grasp the English language. Next, Pain said they probably couldn't have won (not that they would've down right lost) [ ], but that was merely to praise their teacher who's life they were about to take. Feats clearly show that Jiraiya was pushed by 3 realms in a fight where Tendo wasn't even used. Infact, Jiraiya even admitted that those 3 paths would eventually kill him, even when in Sennin Mode [ ].

"If I keep fighting like this...I'll be killed, even if I am in Sennin Mode. They're that strong.

Jiraiya is a bawse but don't be trying to place him above Pain.

I agree Pain is on Hashirama, Hiruzen and Madara level. But you still don't know if he was giving a complement or telling the truth.
 

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No they were talking about Jiraya...
I am also with you in this Jiraya is aAge level,don't forget he was asked to be Hokage before Tsunade he just didn't accept

If you look at the scan clearly, the first half is them talking about the threats "he" poses. However, if you look at the bottom panel, that's when they start talking about Jiraiya.
 

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true...where would you put jiraiya in 1-15??
 

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Jiraiya has always been one tier below itachi and minato for me which is really strong.
 

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Great thread, he is my favorite character, I did a similar thread, to help people understand that he was extremely powerful, top ten for sure. Great thread and proof
 

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you're right
you have done great
good thread

Jiraiya is just awesome
 
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