Itachi's real age.

[Owarij]

Here's the facts
Sasuke just completed his first semester at the academy, that's less than a yearright? Then he got his report card, his Dad was indifferent
That night Itachi and his dad were talking abt the whole pipeline stuff and a meeting the next day
The next day Itachi and Shisui missed the meeting and went on a secret mission
The day after the meeting, Sasuke showed Itachi the report then Itachi told him the whole I am a wall...blah,blah,blah then those Uchiha idiots came to ask Itachi about the meeting the previous day. They said within half a year of joining ANBU his speech was getting strange

CONCLUSION- he'd been in ANBU just six months and this is proven by the fact that Sasuke just completed a semester in academy. We know Sasuke entered Academy when Itachi entered ANBU since his Academy entrance ceremony was the same day of Itachi's mission that promoted him to A
NBU.

More Facts-
Itachi and his father weren't speaking. Their father passed Itachi and met Sasuke and asked him about classes. He said he was best then his father took him to the river and showed him the fireball tech, he couldn't do it and then trained(for a week according to databook) and showed his father. His father was proud of him. Sasuke then voiced his concern that he was just a replacement of his brother to his mother a few days after his father commended him then his father came in the room and he asked his father about Mangekyo Sharingan then went to school and came back to find his clan dead.

CONCLUSION-Sasuke's father asked him about classes meaning he had entered another semester. It would be safe to say it was a year or more since Sasuke entered the Academy(also the amount of time Itachi has been in ANBU since it was around the same time Itachi joined ANBU that Sasuke entered Academy) he trained the fireball tech for a week since his father asked about classes and mastered and showed it to his father, his mouth was injured from the training. This makes it still a little over a year since he entered Academy and Itachi joined ANBU since its only a week difference. Itachi massacred the clan at above 13, since according to databook there's a 5 year difference between Sasuke and Itachi, Sasuke was 8 when the clan was massacred. Databook stated that Sasuke was 7 when he mastered the Fireball meaning that a year passed since Sasuke mastered the fireball, at the time Sasuke Mastered the Fireball, it was a little over a year since he entered Academy, at the time of the massacre another year was added to that meaning that Sasuke had spent two years in the academy when Itachi massacred the clan.
Itachi had also spent two years in ANBU since he joined around the time Sasuke entered Academy. If he spent two years that means he was 11 when he joined ANBU, this makes sense as Sasuke mastered the Fireball tech when he was just about a year as an academy student making him 6 years old when he entered Academy and Itachi 11 years old(5 year diff) when he joined ANBU. Itachi at the time of Shisui's death was already a double agent and was considering an Uchiha wipeout since he said he has 'lost all hope for the clan' He hadn't been given the mission but he had come to that conclusion. This was because of the promise made to Shisui. For the sake of peace he allowed Saru attempt peace talks for the next year, his father knowing that Itachi had betrayed them since the village knew about the plan, he lost all hope in Itachi and started training Sasuke. Itachi was 12 at the time Sasuke mastered the Fireball, he hadn't met Tobi yet. We know he was promoted to ANBU commander before he was given the mission. The village head gave him the dangerous and heartless mission believing it was on his level since he was an ANBU commander. How does a 13 year old become ANBU commander? The answer is Mangekyo Sharingan, Itachi awakened it at age 11 so till the massacre he had two years to maaster it which is why Danzo knows about his Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, and probably why they saw him fit to be able to wipeout the clan alone at 13. Itachi said he was trained by Tobi so I believe Tobi taught him how to use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu meaning he met Tobi before he turned 13 and became ANBU commander. He met Tobi at 12+.



ULTIMATE CONCLUSION----
Joined ANBU at 11.
Awakened mangekyo still 11.
Met Tobi at 12. (If he ever met Oro, it was at this point)
Trained with Tobi till he was 13.
Promoted to ANBU commander at 13.
Massacred the clan at 13.
Joined Akatsuki at 13.

Now you're seeing what i'm seeing, but the part you're missing, is when tobi said itachi found him and gave him a ultimatum.

A final demand or statement of terms, the rejection of which will result in retaliation or a breakdown in relations.

Tobi would Have to do what he says or there would be repurcussions....we know 1 of the elements of there deal, was that iakatsuki could not attack konoha as long as itaachi was dead.... And tobi honored that.... why do you think tobi began his plans right after Itachi died?, So when he met, he must have known tobi was the leader of akatsuki, he could have found out about akatsuki from danzo who saw nagato that day..

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"You are yuhiko of akatsuki! you should be dead!"
"Danzou who allied with had betrayed us"

So itachi must have been giving some mission to spy on akatsuki and nagato, danzo possibly didn't know anything about tobi at that point, just knew that there was a group called akatsuki, and 1 of there members had rinnegan....considering them a threat , he sent itachi...There is where itachi discovered the rinnegan person was not the leader, and found tobi....... then the ultimatum was given.....Which i believe went like this, 1) Train me, 2) help me kill my clan , 3) put me in akatsuki as a false member..

Tobi agreed and talked to pain...as you may have known pain follows tobi like a btch, and would have let him enter.....Whenever that was orochimaru attacked him, failed , fled..... etc....Itachi had been relaying akatsuki info to danzo the entire time, untill he was 13 that is...which is why at the kage summit he said "I can't reveal my source"

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Now you're seeing what i'm seeing, but the part you're missing, is when tobi said itachi found him and gave him a ultimatum.

Tobi would Have to do what he says or there would be repurcussions....we know 1 of the elements of there deal, was that iakatsuki could not attack konoha as long as itaachi was dead.... And tobi honored that.... why do you think tobi began his plans right after Itachi died?, So when he met, he must have known tobi was the leader of akatsuki, he could have found out about akatsuki from danzo who saw nagato that day..

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"You are yuhiko of akatsuki! you should be dead!"
"Danzou who allied with had betrayed us"

So itachi must have been giving some mission to spy on akatsuki and nagato, danzo possibly didn't know anything about tobi at that point, just knew that there was a group called akatsuki, and 1 of there members had rinnegan....considering them a threat , he sent itachi...There is where itachi discovered the rinnegan person was not the leader, and found tobi....... then the ultimatum was given.....Which i believe went like this, 1) Train me, 2) help me kill my clan , 3) put me in akatsuki as a false member..

Tobi agreed and talked to pain...as you may have known pain follows tobi like a btch, and would have let him enter.....Whenever that was orochimaru attacked him, failed , fled..... etc....Itachi had been relaying akatsuki info to danzo the entire time, untill he was 13 that is...which is why at the kage summit he said "I can't reveal my source"

Danzo didn't say he can't reveal his source, he said he's not sure Madara is leader but the source was reliable, the source was Kakashi, remember Naruto revealed his conversation with the Fourth to Kakashi, Yamato AND SAI then Kakashi told Sai to report to the new Hokage and that was the ink bird that flew to Danzo and splashed on a scroll that Danzo read, knowing Kakashi now knew, it would be suspicious not to mention it at the summit. Its obvious Tobi has dealt with Danzo before. When Danzo saw Tobi when he was fleeing the summit, he immediately knew he was 'Madara' while he was wearing a mask and Tobi said they haven't seen since the Uchiha incident.

There's no way Danzo sent Itachi to investigate, he was in Root he was in ANBU.

I believe you're right about Itachi joining Akatsuki before leaving the village because for Orochimaru to attack him alone then he didn't have a patner yet and we know he met Kisame after the Massacre. He fought Orochimaru at 12 and I have proof, at the time he fought Orochimaru, it was time for his reincarnation tech, he couldn't get Itachi so he settled for someone else then three years passed and he took another person, then another three years passed and he wanted Sasuke. Orochimaru planned Konoha's destruction and failed then sent sound four to get Sasuke and Ultimately Sasuke came but he had to enter another body(Genryumaru) since he couldn't wait then pArt 1 ended. This is exactly 6 years after Orochimaru lost to Itachi, if Itachi was 12 when he fought Orochimaru then he would be 18 when Orochimaru entered Genryumaru and part 1 ended, this matches up to Databook which says Itachi. Was 17-18 in Part 1 and matches up to Akatsuki saying at the end of part 1 they haven't met since Orochimaru left Akatsuki 7 years ago(6 and 7 years are very close), and then saying 10 years ago in part 2(three years difference)
BOTTOM LINE---
Itachi met Tobi and joined Akatsuki at age 12.

He hadn't left the village so they didn't give him a partner.

Orochimaru saw the opportunity to try and take his body.

Orochimaru failed and entered another body.

 

[zak boss uchiha]

I think that its a major mistake by kishimoto but I doubt he beat oro at 11 so he must have been 13 when he killed the uchihas and joined akatsuki but right now in shippuden he is 21 and part 1 he was 18

 

[iSpeak]

Lol, why don't people want to accept that Itachi was 11 when he beat Oro?

 

[Sasuke of the akatsuki]

I said 'if' dude, chill, now let's consider this, even if he didn't work with Kishi he wrote Japanese on his thread so its still a valid point. C'mon, can't we look past his name and just treat him like an NB member? Even if you don't believe him.

Google TranslatorU_U

 

[AbukariDogMan]

his very old, see those nasty eye bags of his? sasuke has been stressing him out

 

[Owarij]

Danzo didn't say he can't reveal his source, he said he's not sure Madara is leader but the source was reliable, the source was Kakashi, remember Naruto revealed his conversation with the Fourth to Kakashi, Yamato AND SAI then Kakashi told Sai to report to the new Hokage and that was the ink bird that flew to Danzo and splashed on a scroll that Danzo read, knowing Kakashi now knew, it would be suspicious not to mention it at the summit. Its obvious Tobi has dealt with Danzo before. When Danzo saw Tobi when he was fleeing the summit, he immediately knew he was 'Madara' while he was wearing a mask and Tobi said they haven't seen since the Uchiha incident.

There's no way Danzo sent Itachi to investigate, he was in Root he was in ANBU.

I believe you're right about Itachi joining Akatsuki before leaving the village because for Orochimaru to attack him alone then he didn't have a patner yet and we know he met Kisame after the Massacre. He fought Orochimaru at 12 and I have proof, at the time he fought Orochimaru, it was time for his reincarnation tech, he couldn't get Itachi so he settled for someone else then three years passed and he took another person, then another three years passed and he wanted Sasuke. Orochimaru planned Konoha's destruction and failed then sent sound four to get Sasuke and Ultimately Sasuke came but he had to enter another body(Genryumaru) since he couldn't wait then pArt 1 ended. This is exactly 6 years after Orochimaru lost to Itachi, if Itachi was 12 when he fought Orochimaru then he would be 18 when Orochimaru entered Genryumaru and part 1 ended, this matches up to Databook which says Itachi. Was 17-18 in Part 1 and matches up to Akatsuki saying at the end of part 1 they haven't met since Orochimaru left Akatsuki 7 years ago(6 and 7 years are very close), and then saying 10 years ago in part 2(three years difference)
BOTTOM LINE---
Itachi met Tobi and joined Akatsuki at age 12.

He hadn't left the village so they didn't give him a partner.

Orochimaru saw the opportunity to try and take his body.

Orochimaru failed and entered another body.

He immediately knew he was 'Madara' while he was wearing a mask and Tobi said they haven't seen since the Uchiha incident.

And the reason he knew he was Madara wasn't because of kakashi.....Remember Itachi came to that conclusion a long time ago... idk how, but he most definitely told danzo then and there

There's no way Danzo sent Itachi to investigate, he was in Root he was in ANBU.

Danzo was the leader of root yes, but you are forgetting he and the other elders control anbu also? thus tobi told sasuke he was responsible for the mission to kill the uchiha clan?, he gives them missions, but his own personal group is root, Danzo/elders had 2nd command over anbu, hokage first..
i hate pasting narutowikia but bleh, no time to go manga page searching

They wear their mask even in their own village, for their identity as an ANBU agent is to be known only by the Kage and village elders, with the exception of Konohagakure's "Root" ANBU members who, unless ordered to, will otherwise only act on Danzō Shimura's orders.

If tobi and Danzo met up the night of the uchiha massacre, itachi HAD to tell him about him...Had to tell him everything...who he had found , that he was bringing someone into the village etc....

 

[Disquiet]

Lol, why don't people want to accept that Itachi was 11 when he beat Oro?

LOL, I don't know :shrug:

I think they just hate him, the facts are shown, I don't know what else there is to argue about, I'm clueless on why they don't want to accept it

 

[Owarij]

LOL, I don't know :shrug:

I think they just hate him, the facts are shown, I don't know what else there is to argue about, I'm clueless on why they don't want to accept it

:shrug:

We more or less proved everything, and have 2 manga pages of sasori and kisame accounting that itachi was there at around that age , :shrug: Iv'e never seeen kishi make a time line error, even more 2timeline errors? Can't convince don't who don't want to become convinced

 

[natssuu]

Shisui would have been much better choice than Itachi for that kind of mission.

 

[Disquiet]

:shrug:

We more or less proved everything, and have 2 manga pages of sasori and kisame accounting that itachi was there at around that age , :shrug: Iv'e never seeen kishi make a time line error, even more 2timeline errors? Can't convince don't who don't want to become convinced

true U_U and I'm going to be doing this forever if I reply to every new person that comes in here with the same arguments that have already been explained.

 

[hiddenart]

Hi. I have been reading this 'thread', if that is what it's called, and I agree with, to some extent, what both Masashi kisimo and Owarjii have stated. However, I strongly disagree that Itachi defeated Orochimaru at the age of 11. This is because somewhere in the manga, it shows Orochimaru and Itachi having a kind of face-off and in this face-off I'm sure I have seen Itachi's forehead sign protecter having a cross running through it. I'm not sure what this fully means but I think it means that he no longer associated with the village, although I understand he secretly was. My question is "surely, that must mean Itachi was not 11 at the particular time as he was part of the village during tha stage?" Can you please, Owarjii or whoever, explain how did this cross through the forehead protector come about if he was 11 at the time? If you already answered this, please tell me what page.
Thank you.
P.S. this masashi kishi or w/e his name is, is clearly a fake and does not work for the manga team or whatever he states but he is, nevertheless, a contributor to this forum.

 

[iSpeak]

Hi. I have been reading this 'thread', if that is what it's called, and I agree with, to some extent, what both Masashi kisimo and Owarjii have stated. However, I strongly disagree that Itachi defeated Orochimaru at the age of 11. This is because somewhere in the manga, it shows Orochimaru and Itachi having a kind of face-off and in this face-off I'm sure I have seen Itachi's forehead sign protecter having a cross running through it. I'm not sure what this fully means but I think it means that he no longer associated with the village, although I understand he secretly was. My question is "surely, that must mean Itachi was not 11 at the particular time as he was part of the village during tha stage?" Can you please, Owarjii or whoever, explain how did this cross through the forehead protector come about if he was 11 at the time? If you already answered this, please tell me what page.
Thank you.
P.S. this masashi kishi or w/e his name is, is clearly a fake and does not work for the manga team or whatever he states but he is, nevertheless, a contributor to this forum.

It should be quite easy to slash and buy new head protectors.

 

[iSpeak]

LOL, I don't know :shrug:

I think they just hate him, the facts are shown, I don't know what else there is to argue about, I'm clueless on why they don't want to accept it

Lol, and its only a 2 year difference to what they originally thought U_U.

 

[hiddenart]

If only the author of naruto corrected that image or admitted the cross on the forehead protector was a mistake or something, I'd believe he was 11 at the time he defeated Orochimaru.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

@OwariJ do you agree with my Itachi was 12 years old theory?

 

[Ocean soul]

I was reading the thread about Owarij and he says Itachi was 11 when he beat Orochimaru, I assure you he is wrong. I have worked with Kishimoto and done many databooks etc. But no matter what I did I am nothing on this site so I will go ahead and explain completely why he is wrong.

Proof #1-

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Kakashi himself says Itachi was still with the leaf village at age 13.

Also the only reason he didn't use MS on Orochimaru was because he did not need to. Not because he was 11 and could not use it.

Proof #2- Also the databooks have it that Sasuke Uchiha was 7-8 at the annihilation of the clan right? Now Sasuke was 12 years old when Itachi visited. Do the math

12-8= 4

Means he came only 4 years after the clan was assassinated, am I correct? Even if Sasuke was 7 than it means it has been like 5 years.

Now you claim that Itachi was 11 when the clan was massacred right?

11+4= 15
11+5= 16

So you are saying that Itachi was 15-16 when he visited in part 1, 4 years later when actually he was 17-18. So are you disagreeing with the data books?

Yes you are because we just found out that Itachi visited 4-5 years from the clan massacre due to Sasuke's age meaning you are saying Itachi was like 15 when he visited if he was 11 when the clan got massacred. When databooks say you are wrong, he was like 18 when he visited.

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In this they are referring to how they met up last time that was 7 years ago. They should of made it more clear saying "we did this 7 years ago when Orochimaru was still around, before Orochimaru left". Unless this manga is in part 2 (I believe it is not), Orochimaru was still around 7 years ago. I have already discussed when Orochimaru left with Kishimoto.

So now Owarij says that this whole thing is point less^^ because Itachi could of been involved before he murdered the clan.

This is wrong because the Akatsuki have always been taking only S rank criminals. Not 11 year old children.

There is no way they would accept some 11 year old and trust him, partner them up with one of their most powerful members and also give him the uniform and everything.

Also look at his height, you can tell he was not 11 and even by his looks.

He was a member of the Akatsuki and had already joined. There is no way he was a member at age 11! Also Owarij also said that this is how he found out mask man=Madara because he learned he was the leader.

This is wrong, no one knew about Tobi at all at the time, Tobi wasn't even recognized as a member to the other Akatsuki until Sasori died. So there is no way some 11 year old kid with no S rank crime came and found everything out and also its common sense and Kishimoto would of stated that Itachi was "involved" before.

Proof #3-

Meanwhile the manga only states he joined the Akatsuki After he killed the Uchiha clan and became an S-rank criminal.

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So I give Owarij credit for pointing out somewhat of an error but I still think he is Wayyyyy to stubborn and stills believes he is right, however-

Please do not hate on me, I already admitted I am not Kishimoto however have done some work with him. I have given you guys proof to help clear things out for you. My work here is done.

All the best

good one

 

[Kakashi42]

I didn't know he was only 18 when he came back for the 4th Hokage's legacy. I learned something xd

 

[Disquiet]

Lol, and its only a 2 year difference to what they originally thought U_U.

Lol, ikr

I didn't know he was only 18 when he came back for the 4th Hokage's legacy. I learned something xd

yup, people can learn a lot watching others debate :y